Re: [Python-Dev] Does trunk still support any compilers that *don't* allow declaring variables after code?

2012-05-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I realize we can't jump to C99 because of A Certain Compiler. (Its name rhymes with Bike Row Soft Frizz You All See Muss Muss.) But even that compiler added this extension in the early 90s. No, it didn't. The MSVC version that we currently use (VS 2008) still doesn't support it. Regards, Marti

Re: [Python-Dev] Does trunk still support any compilers that *don't* allow declaring variables after code?

2012-05-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
On 02.05.2012 15:37, Matt Joiner wrote: On May 2, 2012 6:00 PM, "Antoine Pitrou" mailto:solip...@pitrou.net>> wrote: > > On Wed, 02 May 2012 01:43:32 -0700 > Larry Hastings mailto:la...@hastings.org>> wrote: > > > > I realize we can't jump to C99 because of A Certain Compiler. (Its name >

Re: [Python-Dev] Recording BDFL delegates for PEPs

2012-05-06 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Antoine Pitrou writes: > I have to ask - is email obfuscation still useful these days? It's hard to say. It's still a FAQ on Mailman lists, so people still believe it's useful. I don't think there's hard evidence either way (even guessing depends on the economics of the spamming business, and

Re: [Python-Dev] Recording BDFL delegates for PEPs

2012-05-06 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Sunday, May 6, 2012, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On May 06, 2012, at 09:31 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > >I have to ask - is email obfuscation still useful these days? > > I think it's more important that Python developers (especially those > submitting or pronouncing on PEPs) can be contacted by oth

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] peps: Update PEP 1 to better reflect current practice

2012-05-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
On May 06, 2012, at 03:08 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: >I'll see if I can figure out something - I may just put in text like >"if you're at all unsure about what needs to be done, email the PEP >editors anyway". The diff looks good, thanks. -Barry ___ Pytho

Re: [Python-Dev] Recording BDFL delegates for PEPs

2012-05-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
On May 06, 2012, at 09:31 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >I have to ask - is email obfuscation still useful these days? I think it's more important that Python developers (especially those submitting or pronouncing on PEPs) can be contacted by other Python developers. I *personally* don't care about

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 405 (pyvenv) and system Python upgrades

2012-05-06 Thread Vinay Sajip
Carl Meyer oddbird.net> writes: > them in sync). IOW, if you want real full isolation from a system > Python, you build your own Python, you don't use pyvenv. For the interpreter you can use your own Python, but you would still use pyvenv, as the venv is still useful for you to have an isolated

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 405 (pyvenv) and system Python upgrades

2012-05-06 Thread Carl Meyer
On 05/05/2012 12:41 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 6:49 AM, Carl Meyer wrote: 1) Document it and provide a tool for easily upgrading a venv in this situation. This may be adequate. In practice the situation is quite rare: 2.6.8/2.7.3 is the only actual example in the history of

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 405 (pyvenv) and system Python upgrades

2012-05-06 Thread Carl Meyer
On 05/05/2012 04:40 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2012 14:49:03 -0600 Carl Meyer wrote: 3) Symlink the interpreter rather than copying. I include this here for the sake of completeness, but it's already been rejected due to significant problems on older Windows' and OS X. Perhaps s

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 405 (pyvenv) and system Python upgrades

2012-05-06 Thread Carl Meyer
On 05/05/2012 02:38 AM, Vinay Sajip wrote: Nick Coghlan gmail.com> writes: Personally, I expect that "always update your virtual environment binaries after updating the system Python to a new point release" will itself become a recommended practice when using virtual environments. Of course

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Make AcquirerProxy.acquire() support timeout argument

2012-05-06 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Sun, 06 May 2012 18:58:10 +0100 shibturn wrote: > On 06/05/2012 5:07pm, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > On Sun, 06 May 2012 17:56:55 +0200 > >> summary: > >>Make AcquirerProxy.acquire() support timeout argument > > > > Should it have a Misc/NEWS entry? (and a doc addition perhaps?) > > Since pro

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Make AcquirerProxy.acquire() support timeout argument

2012-05-06 Thread shibturn
On 06/05/2012 5:07pm, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Sun, 06 May 2012 17:56:55 +0200 summary: Make AcquirerProxy.acquire() support timeout argument Should it have a Misc/NEWS entry? (and a doc addition perhaps?) Since proxies for locks/semaphores are supposed to work the same way as the proxie

[Python-Dev] Failed issue tracker submission

2012-05-06 Thread Python tracker
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Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Make AcquirerProxy.acquire() support timeout argument

2012-05-06 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Sun, 06 May 2012 17:56:55 +0200 richard.oudkerk wrote: > http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/b4a1d9287780 > changeset: 76800:b4a1d9287780 > user:Richard Oudkerk > date:Sun May 06 16:45:02 2012 +0100 > summary: > Make AcquirerProxy.acquire() support timeout argument Should it

Re: [Python-Dev] Recording BDFL delegates for PEPs

2012-05-06 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Sun, 6 May 2012 16:45:32 +1000 > Nick Coghlan wrote: >> >> For the moment, I suggest leaving your email address out of this >> field. The email obfuscation is applied on a field-by-field basis, and >> the formatter for reStructuredText PE

Re: [Python-Dev] peps: Update PEP 1 to better reflect current practice

2012-05-06 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Sun, 6 May 2012 15:08:52 +1000 > Nick Coghlan wrote: >> >> Agreed we should have a new header field to record the BDFL delegate, >> but I think I'll go with BDFL-Delegate rather than PEP-Czar. > > +1 for overthrowing czars! I expect PEP

Re: [Python-Dev] Recording BDFL delegates for PEPs

2012-05-06 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Sun, 6 May 2012 16:45:32 +1000 Nick Coghlan wrote: > > For the moment, I suggest leaving your email address out of this > field. The email obfuscation is applied on a field-by-field basis, and > the formatter for reStructuredText PEPs actually lives in the docutils > upstream rather than being

Re: [Python-Dev] peps: Update PEP 1 to better reflect current practice

2012-05-06 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Sun, 6 May 2012 15:08:52 +1000 Nick Coghlan wrote: > > Agreed we should have a new header field to record the BDFL delegate, > but I think I'll go with BDFL-Delegate rather than PEP-Czar. +1 for overthrowing czars! Regards Antoine. ___ Python-De