Hi Neil,
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Neil Hodgson nyamaton...@me.com wrote:
Wouldn't it be better to understand the SAL annotations like _In_opt so
that spurious NULLs (for example) produce a good exception from cffi instead
of failing inside the system call?
Maybe. Feel like
On 27 February 2013 23:18, Armin Rigo ar...@tunes.org wrote:
from cffi import FFI
ffi = FFI()
ffi.cdef(
int MessageBox(HWND hWnd, LPCTSTR lpText, LPCTSTR lpCaption, UINT uType);
)
lib = ffi.dlopen(USER32.DLL)
lib.MessageBox(ffi.NULL, Hello, world!, Title, 0)
Yeah, that's loads better
Hi Paul,
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
Presumably ffi.NULL isn't needed and I can use 0? (After all, 0 and NULL are
equivalent in C, so that's
not a correctness issue).
Indeed. I created
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 February 2013 23:18, Armin Rigo ar...@tunes.org wrote:
from cffi import FFI
ffi = FFI()
ffi.cdef(
int MessageBox(HWND hWnd, LPCTSTR lpText, LPCTSTR lpCaption, UINT uType);
)
lib = ffi.dlopen(USER32.DLL)
On 28 February 2013 09:06, Armin Rigo ar...@tunes.org wrote:
And I think
that even on 64-bit Windows, passing 0 as a NULL pointer is buggy,
because it will pass a 32-bit 0. (It may be that it doesn't actually
make a difference and works anyway, but I'm not sure.) Similarly, a
function that
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote:
On Feb 27, 2013, at 11:33 AM, fwierzbi...@gmail.com wrote:
The easy part for Jython is pushing some of our if is_jython: stuff
into the appropriate spots in CPython's Lib/.
I wonder if there isn't a better way to do this than
Le Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:57:50 +1300,
Greg Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz a écrit :
Antoine Pitrou wrote:
We have to find sufficiently silly species of snakes, though.
Glancing through http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_snakes,
we have:
Wart snakes
Java wart snakes
Pipe snakes
Le Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:06:00 +0100,
Armin Rigo ar...@tunes.org a écrit :
Yes, you're right, and the 32-bit Windows platform is still important.
However, it only works on 32-bit. On typical 64-bit Posix
environments, if you don't declare argtypes/restype, you usually end
up very quickly
Le Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:33:30 -0800,
fwierzbi...@gmail.com fwierzbi...@gmail.com a écrit :
There are a couple of spots that might be more controversial. For
example, Jython has a file Lib/zlib.py that implements zlib in terms
of the existing Java support for zlib. I do wonder if such a file is
Armin Rigo:
Maybe. Feel like adding an issue to
https://bitbucket.org/cffi/cffi/issues, with references?
OK, issue #62 added.
This looks
like a Windows-specific extension, which means that I don't
automatically know about it.
While SAL is Windows-specific, gcc supports some
Having had some time to think about this problem space, here's my take on it:
===
The problem-space can be broken down into four layers:
1. the items
2. interaction between grouped items
3. the grouping itself
4. conversion from a class to a group
Here are
On 28/02/13 07:20, anatoly techtonik wrote:
* as an exercise - try to build a scroller for a running Python script
* it is impossible for Python 2 and probably for Python 3 as well
What do you mean by a scroller?
[...]
and why PSF doesn't comply the 4. Redistribution clause
On Feb 27, 2013, at 3:20 PM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote:
* security by obscurity in legal position of PSF towards contributors
https://code.google.com/legal/individual-cla-v1.0.html
vs
http://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form/ +
On 28 Feb 2013, at 07:36, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote:
Am 27.02.2013 17:51, schrieb Michael Foord:
Hello all,
PyCon, and the Python Language Summit, is nearly upon us. We have a good
number of people confirmed to attend. If you are intending to come to the
language summit but
Hi
I know this is a hard topic, but python-dev is already incredibly
high-volume and dragging discussion off-topic is making following
important stuff (while ignoring unimportant stuff) very hard.
For example in a recent topic cffi in stdlib I find a mail that says
we have to find a sufficiently
On 27 Feb 2013, at 18:50, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:51:16 +
Michael Foord mich...@voidspace.org.uk wrote:
Hello all,
PyCon, and the Python Language Summit, is nearly upon us. We have a good
number of people confirmed to attend. If you are
Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form/ + http://opensource.org/
licenses/apache2.0.php
and why PSF doesn't comply the 4. Redistribution clause from Apache 2.0
license
I'm not even touching your security through
On 27 Feb 2013, at 19:01, fwierzbi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Michael Foord mich...@voidspace.org.uk
wrote:
If you have other items you'd like to discuss please let me know and I can
add them to the agenda.
I'd like to discuss merging Jython's standard Lib (the
On 28 Feb 2013, at 03:42, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote:
On Feb 27, 2013, at 04:51 PM, Michael Foord wrote:
If you have other items you'd like to discuss please let me know and I can
add them to the agenda.
I'd like to have some discussions around promotion of Python 3, how we can
On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:42 AM, Stefan Krah ste...@bytereef.org wrote:
Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form/ + http://opensource.org/
licenses/apache2.0.php
and why PSF doesn't comply the 4. Redistribution clause from Apache 2.0
Le Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:48:24 -0500,
Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com a écrit :
Perhaps it's an idea to have a python-legal mailing list for these
topics?
I don't think it's fundamentally wrong to scrutinize licenses,
provided that the discussion stays civil and factual.
IIRC
On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Le Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:48:24 -0500,
Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com a écrit :
Perhaps it's an idea to have a python-legal mailing list for these
topics?
I don't think it's fundamentally wrong to scrutinize licenses,
Le Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:57:36 -0500,
Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com a écrit :
On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net
wrote:
Le Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:48:24 -0500,
Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com a écrit :
Perhaps it's an idea to have a python-legal mailing list
Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
We have one: p...@python.org
That's not exactly a public mailing-list.
Nope. But it's also where lawyers flock and these issues can rapidly be
resolved.
If the list isn't publicly archived, the same questions will arise over
and over again
On Feb 28, 2013, at 7:23 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Le Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:57:36 -0500,
Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com a écrit :
On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net
wrote:
Le Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:48:24 -0500,
Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com
On Feb 28, 2013, at 7:31 AM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 28, 2013, at 7:23 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Le Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:57:36 -0500,
Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com a écrit :
On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net
Stefan Krah writes:
Why would [the PSF list] help to resolve such an issue (if it is an
issue at all!)
Precisely.
If there *is* a compliance problem, there's nothing to be done before
talking to the lawyers. Although license *choice* is primarily a
political issue, *compliance* is
On Feb 28, 2013, at 8:03 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote:
Stefan Krah writes:
Why would [the PSF list] help to resolve such an issue (if it is an
issue at all!)
Precisely.
If there *is* a compliance problem, there's nothing to be done before
talking to the lawyers.
On 28/02/13 23:26, Stefan Krah wrote:
Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
We have one: p...@python.org
That's not exactly a public mailing-list.
Nope. But it's also where lawyers flock and these issues can rapidly be
resolved.
If the list isn't publicly archived, the same questions
Le Fri, 01 Mar 2013 00:21:48 +1100,
Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info a écrit :
The question of whether or not the PSF is violating the Apache
license in some way is not one that is helped by having arbitrary
people give their uninformed opinions. I sympathize with curious
people wanting
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.ukwrote:
On 28 Feb 2013, at 07:36, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote:
Am 27.02.2013 17:51, schrieb Michael Foord:
Hello all,
PyCon, and the Python Language Summit, is nearly upon us. We have a
good number of
2013/2/28 Brett Cannon br...@python.org:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk
wrote:
On 28 Feb 2013, at 07:36, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote:
Am 27.02.2013 17:51, schrieb Michael Foord:
Hello all,
PyCon, and the Python Language Summit, is
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.orgwrote:
2013/2/28 Brett Cannon br...@python.org:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Michael Foord
fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk
wrote:
On 28 Feb 2013, at 07:36, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote:
Am
Le Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:36:10 +0200,
Maciej Fijalkowski fij...@gmail.com a écrit :
Hi
I know this is a hard topic, but python-dev is already incredibly
high-volume and dragging discussion off-topic is making following
important stuff (while ignoring unimportant stuff) very hard.
For
See: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-legal-sig
Open archives. As the header says this is for the discussion of CLA/other
issues. If specific legal questions or alterations to Python/the PSF
trademarks, CLA/etc are requested those *must* be sent to p...@python.org for
board
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Stefan Krah wrote:
Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com (mailto:jnol...@gmail.com) wrote:
We have one: p...@python.org (mailto:p...@python.org)
That's not exactly a public mailing-list.
Nope. But it's also where lawyers flock and
Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote:
The question of whether or not the PSF is violating the Apache license in
some way is not one that is helped by having arbitrary people give their
uninformed opinions.
No one will be preventing lawyers from giving their opinions on python-legal.
In
Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
Why would it help to resolve such an issue (if it is an issue at all!)
for a single person on a private mailing list?
See: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2013-February/124463.html
That was quick. Thanks!
Stefan Krah
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Stefan Krah wrote:
Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com (mailto:jnol...@gmail.com) wrote:
Why would it help to resolve such an issue (if it is an issue at all!)
for a single person on a private mailing list?
See:
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote:
On Feb 27, 2013, at 11:33 AM, fwierzbi...@gmail.com wrote:
I am suggesting that we push forward on the shared library approach to the
files in the Lib/* directory, so that would certainly include IronPython and
PyPy as well I
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:15 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote:
On Feb 27, 2013, at 11:33 AM, fwierzbi...@gmail.com wrote:
The easy part for Jython is pushing some of our if is_jython: stuff
into the appropriate spots
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:30 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Le Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:33:30 -0800,
fwierzbi...@gmail.com fwierzbi...@gmail.com a écrit :
There are a couple of spots that might be more controversial. For
example, Jython has a file Lib/zlib.py that implements zlib in
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Le Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:36:10 +0200,
Maciej Fijalkowski fij...@gmail.com a écrit :
Hi
I know this is a hard topic, but python-dev is already incredibly
high-volume and dragging discussion off-topic is making following
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:30 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Le Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:33:30 -0800,
fwierzbi...@gmail.com fwierzbi...@gmail.com a écrit :
There are a couple of spots that might be more controversial. For
example, Jython has a file Lib/zlib.py that implements zlib in
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Chris Jerdonek
chris.jerdo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:30 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Le Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:33:30 -0800,
fwierzbi...@gmail.com fwierzbi...@gmail.com a écrit :
There are a couple of spots that might be more
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:46 AM, fwierzbi...@gmail.com
fwierzbi...@gmail.com wrote:
Agreed on those problems. Would it be possible to use a design
pattern in these cases so the Jython-only code wouldn't need to be
part of the CPython repo? A naive example would be refactoring zlib
to allow
On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 11:46:04 -0800
fwierzbi...@gmail.com fwierzbi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Chris Jerdonek
chris.jerdo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:30 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Le Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:33:30 -0800,
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
IMHO, we should remove the plat-* directories, they are completely
unmaintained, undocumented, and serve no useful purpose.
Oh I didn't know that - so definitely adding to that is right out :)
Really for cases like
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 3:17 PM, fwierzbi...@gmail.com
fwierzbi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net
wrote:
IMHO, we should remove the plat-* directories, they are completely
unmaintained, undocumented, and serve no useful purpose.
Oh I
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
That should be fine as that is what we already do for accelerator modules
anyway. If you want to work towards having an equivalent of CPython's
Modules/ directory so you can ditch your custom Lib/ modules by treating
your
On 02/26/2013 06:30 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 2/26/2013 1:47 PM, Larry Hastings wrote:
I think positional-only functions should be discouraged, but we don't
If I were writing something like Clinic, I would be tempted to not
have that option. But I was actually thinking about something in the
On Feb 27, 2013, at 11:51 AM, Michael Foord wrote:
Hello all,
PyCon, and the Python Language Summit, is nearly upon us. We have a good
number of people confirmed to attend. If you are intending to come to the
language summit but haven't let me know please do so.
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