Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-11 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 12 July 2013 13:27, Lennart Regebro wrote: > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Steve Dower > wrote: > > +1. And maybe amend PEP 11 to specify "whose extended support phase does > not expire within 6 months of release"? (I picked 6 for no particular > reason.) > > Why have the specification in

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-11 Thread Ben Finney
"Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > I don't see any good reason to take into account what Microsoft does > or doesn't support. It seems you're advocating a position quite ad odds with http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0011/#id7>. Can you propose an amendment to PEP 11 that would remove that conside

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-11 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Steve Dower wrote: > +1. And maybe amend PEP 11 to specify "whose extended support phase does not > expire within 6 months of release"? (I picked 6 for no particular reason.) Why have the specification in PEP 11 if we feel we can change the rules arbitrarily when

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-11 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Steve Dower writes: > I don't see any good reason for Python to support an OS that > Microsoft doesn't, How about the *users* of that OS? I don't see any good reason to take into account what Microsoft does or doesn't support. If that lack of support leads to Python users dropping XP like hot

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-11 Thread Ben Hoyt
Ah, yeah, that makes sense -- thanks for the further explanation. True about older versions of Python "not going away". > What about just have these attributes/functions on OSes that support it, > > for example os.kill on Python 2.6 vs 2.7? > > I'm afraid it's not that simple. The issue (as I un

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-11 Thread R. David Murray
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 13:49:54 +1200, Ben Hoyt wrote: > I guess it has to be dropped at some stage, but with Windows XP it's a case > of "XP is dead. Long live XP!" There are still an awful lot of XP boxes out > there, and I'd kind hate to see support dropped completely. We still use it > here at ho

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-11 Thread Ben Hoyt
I guess it has to be dropped at some stage, but with Windows XP it's a case of "XP is dead. Long live XP!" There are still an awful lot of XP boxes out there, and I'd kind hate to see support dropped completely. We still use it here at home. Wikipedia/Net Applications says that Windows XP has stil

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-11 Thread Ethan Furman
On 07/11/2013 04:58 PM, Christian Heimes wrote: how do you feel about dropping Windows XP support for Python 3.4? It would enable us to use some features that are only available on Windows Vista and newer, for example http://bugs.python.org/issue6926 and http://bugs.python.org/issue1763 . PEP 1

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-11 Thread Steve Dower
+1. And maybe amend PEP 11 to specify "whose extended support phase does not expire within 6 months of release"? (I picked 6 for no particular reason.) I don't see any good reason for Python to support an OS that Microsoft doesn't, but once 3.4.0 has been released with XP support it can't really

[Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-11 Thread Christian Heimes
Hi, how do you feel about dropping Windows XP support for Python 3.4? It would enable us to use some features that are only available on Windows Vista and newer, for example http://bugs.python.org/issue6926 and http://bugs.python.org/issue1763 . PEP 11 says: A new feature release X.Y.0 will sup