Re: [Python-Dev] Compiler for the Mac OS X version of Python 3.4

2013-09-17 Thread Gregory P. Smith
Just drop support for 10.6 with Python 3.4. Problem solved. People on that old of a version of the OS can build their own Python 3.4 or do the right thing and upgrade or just install Linux. This isn't Windows. Compiler tool chains are freely available for the legacy platform. We don't need to main

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 450 adding statistics module

2013-09-17 Thread Oscar Benjamin
On 17 September 2013 22:21, Guido van Rossum wrote: > Congrats, I've accepted the PEP. Nice work! Please work with the reviewers > on the issue on the code. Good work, Steven! ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mai

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 428: Pathlib -> stat caching

2013-09-17 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 18 September 2013 11:10, Philip Jenvey wrote: > > On Sep 16, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > >> On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:48:54 -0400 >> Brett Cannon wrote: So I would like to propose the following API change: - Path.stat() (and stat-accessing methods such as get_mti

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 428: Pathlib -> stat caching

2013-09-17 Thread Philip Jenvey
On Sep 16, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:48:54 -0400 > Brett Cannon wrote: >>> >>> So I would like to propose the following API change: >>> >>> - Path.stat() (and stat-accessing methods such as get_mtime()...) >>> returns an uncached stat object by default >

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 450 adding statistics module

2013-09-17 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 18 Sep 2013 08:36, "Ethan Furman" wrote: > > On 09/17/2013 02:21 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: >> >> Congrats, I've accepted the PEP. Nice work! Please work with the reviewers on the issue on the code. > > > Congratulations, Stephen! Yay! Cheers, Nick. > > -- > ~Ethan~ > >

[Python-Dev] benchmark

2013-09-17 Thread Victor Stinner
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Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 450 adding statistics module

2013-09-17 Thread Ethan Furman
On 09/17/2013 02:21 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: Congrats, I've accepted the PEP. Nice work! Please work with the reviewers on the issue on the code. Congratulations, Stephen! -- ~Ethan~ ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 450 adding statistics module

2013-09-17 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 02:21:16PM -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: > Congrats, I've accepted the PEP. Nice work! Please work with the reviewers > on the issue on the code. Thank you, and thanks to everyone who contributed with the discussion. > (Steven or Oscar, if either of you could work Oscar's

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 450 adding statistics module

2013-09-17 Thread Guido van Rossum
Congrats, I've accepted the PEP. Nice work! Please work with the reviewers on the issue on the code. (Steven or Oscar, if either of you could work Oscar's list of resolved issues into a patch for the PEP I'll happily update it, just mail it to p...@python.org.) On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:06 PM, G

Re: [Python-Dev] License() release list is imcomplete; intentional?

2013-09-17 Thread R. David Murray
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:39:25 -0400, Brett Cannon wrote: > On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Glenn Linderman wrote: > > On 9/17/2013 10:51 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > > > But only the PSF has the list of original contributors and their licenses. > > > > So can that list be made public, and avai

Re: [Python-Dev] License() release list is imcomplete; intentional?

2013-09-17 Thread Brett Cannon
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Glenn Linderman wrote: > On 9/17/2013 10:51 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > But only the PSF has the list of original contributors and their licenses. > > > So can that list be made public, and available in multiple archives? > Technically it already is public ba

Re: [Python-Dev] License() release list is imcomplete; intentional?

2013-09-17 Thread Terry Reedy
On 9/17/2013 11:48 AM, MRAB wrote: On 17/09/2013 16:37, Terry Reedy wrote: On 2.7, >>> license() return a text that includes a complete list of releases from 1.6 to 2.7 and stops there Release Derived YearOwner GPL- from

Re: [Python-Dev] License() release list is imcomplete; intentional?

2013-09-17 Thread Glenn Linderman
On 9/17/2013 10:51 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: But only the PSF has the list of original contributors and their licenses. So can that list be made public, and available in multiple archives? ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://m

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 453: Explicit bootstrapping of pip

2013-09-17 Thread R. David Murray
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 12:38:31 -0400, Donald Stufft wrote: > On Sep 17, 2013, at 12:25 PM, "R. David Murray" wrote: > > I don't think this PEP changes the inclusion calculus, because I don't > > think we've given any real weight to that in stdlib inclusion decisions. > > I think the decision making

Re: [Python-Dev] License() release list is imcomplete; intentional?

2013-09-17 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 09:47:48 -0700 Guido van Rossum wrote: > > IIRC this table was added when a few core Python developers including > myself left CNRI in 2000. We had a bit of an argument about the license > (not too much though -- in the end things came out alright). Some lawyer at > CNRI thoug

Re: [Python-Dev] License() release list is imcomplete; intentional?

2013-09-17 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 09:47:48 -0700 > Guido van Rossum wrote: > > > > IIRC this table was added when a few core Python developers including > > myself left CNRI in 2000. We had a bit of an argument about the license > > (not too much though

Re: [Python-Dev] License() release list is imcomplete; intentional?

2013-09-17 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Le Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:37:48 -0400, > Terry Reedy a écrit : > > > On 2.7, >>> license() return a text that includes a complete list of > > releases from 1.6 to 2.7 and stops there > > Release Derived YearOwner

Re: [Python-Dev] License() release list is imcomplete; intentional?

2013-09-17 Thread Skip Montanaro
> I don't really understand why the releases should be manually listed. > Is it some kind of defensive coding? I think it's to give people who care about such things all the information they need to make informed decisions. As I recall, the 1.6 series was problematic, because it wasn't actually op

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 453: Explicit bootstrapping of pip

2013-09-17 Thread Donald Stufft
On Sep 17, 2013, at 12:25 PM, "R. David Murray" wrote: > This PEP looks great to me. Thanks to everyone involved. > > On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 00:46:01 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> Reducing the burden of actually installing a third-party package should >> also decrease the pressure to add every u

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 453: Explicit bootstrapping of pip

2013-09-17 Thread R. David Murray
This PEP looks great to me. Thanks to everyone involved. On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 00:46:01 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: > Reducing the burden of actually installing a third-party package should > also decrease the pressure to add every useful module to the standard > library. This will allow additions

Re: [Python-Dev] License() release list is imcomplete; intentional?

2013-09-17 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:37:48 -0400, Terry Reedy a écrit : > On 2.7, >>> license() return a text that includes a complete list of > releases from 1.6 to 2.7 and stops there > Release Derived YearOwner GPL- > fromc

Re: [Python-Dev] License() release list is imcomplete; intentional?

2013-09-17 Thread MRAB
On 17/09/2013 16:37, Terry Reedy wrote: On 2.7, >>> license() return a text that includes a complete list of releases from 1.6 to 2.7 and stops there Release Derived YearOwner GPL- fromcompatible? (1) 0.9

[Python-Dev] License() release list is imcomplete; intentional?

2013-09-17 Thread Terry Reedy
On 2.7, >>> license() return a text that includes a complete list of releases from 1.6 to 2.7 and stops there Release Derived YearOwner GPL- fromcompatible? (1) 0.9.0 thru 1.2 1991-1995 CWI

[Python-Dev] PEP 453: Explicit bootstrapping of pip

2013-09-17 Thread Nick Coghlan
After a couple of rounds of review on distutils-sig, and with Martin agreeing to serve as BDFL-Delegate, it's time for the pip bootstrapping proposal to run the gauntlet of python-dev :) The last round of review showed that there were a few things we were assuming people knew (based on the many, m

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 454: add a new tracemalloc module (second round)

2013-09-17 Thread Victor Stinner
2013/9/17 Victor Stinner : > Issue tracking the implementation: > http://bugs.python.org/issue18874 If you want to test the implementation, you can try the following repository: http://hg.python.org/features/tracemalloc Or try the patch attached on the issue #18874 on the Python default version.