[Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.5.0b2 is now available

2015-05-31 Thread Larry Hastings
On behalf of the Python development community and the Python 3.5 release team, I'm relieved to announce the availability of Python 3.5.0b2. Python 3.5.0b1 had a major regression (see http://bugs.python.org/issue24285 for more information) and as such was not suitable for testing Python 3.5.

Re: [Python-Dev] Can someone configure the buildbots to build the 3.5 branch?

2015-05-31 Thread Larry Hastings
On 05/30/2015 08:25 PM, Zachary Ware wrote: On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 6:59 PM, Larry Hastings wrote: The buildbots currently live in a state of denial about the 3.5 branch. Could someone whisper tenderly in their collective shell-like ears so that they start building 3.5, in addition to 3.4 and t

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3 migration status update across some key subcommunities (was Re: 2.7 is here until 2020, please don't call it a waste.)

2015-05-31 Thread Carol Willing
On 5/31/15 8:39 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: What I would really like to see is a Python 3 (and if you really need Python 2, here's how it differs) version of Python: Essential Reference. Agreed. If anyone has Python 3 books, talks, or resources that they find helpful and of high quality, ple

Re: [Python-Dev] Computed Goto dispatch for Python 2

2015-05-31 Thread Steve Dower
"We are calling it 'embedable', but the rest of the world would call it 'portable', as in, runable from a usb stick" I called it embeddable because it's not intended for direct use and is not complete. There's no test suite, no documentation, no tkinter (pending high demand), no pip, no site-pac

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3 migration status update across some key subcommunities (was Re: 2.7 is here until 2020, please don't call it a waste.)

2015-05-31 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Florian Bruhin writes: > I think a big issue here is the lack of good newcomer tutorials for > Python 3. My business students (who are hardly advanced programmers) don't take tutorials seriously. They're way too focused on getting results. And there it's the "Doing with Python" books that ar

Re: [Python-Dev] Computed Goto dispatch for Python 2

2015-05-31 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 1 June 2015 at 00:44, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 5/31/2015 6:59 AM, Alexander Walters wrote: >> >> A better course of action would be to deprecate the non-portable >> version. Other than setting the PATH envvar, why do we need to continue >> even touching the system on install? It is highly anno

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3 migration status update across some key subcommunities (was Re: 2.7 is here until 2020, please don't call it a waste.)

2015-05-31 Thread Terry Reedy
On 5/31/2015 10:15 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: The education community started switching a while back - if you watch Carrie-Anne Philbin's PyCon UK 2014 keynote, one of her requests for the broader Python community was for everyone else to just catch up already in order to reduce student's confusion

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3 migration status update across some key subcommunities (was Re: 2.7 is here until 2020, please don't call it a waste.)

2015-05-31 Thread Florian Bruhin
* Nick Coghlan [2015-06-01 00:15:01 +1000]: > On 31 May 2015 at 19:07, Ludovic Gasc wrote: > > About Python 3 migration, I think that one of our best control stick is > > newcomers, and by extension, Python trainers/teachers. > > If newcomers learn first Python 3, when they will start to work > >

Re: [Python-Dev] Computed Goto dispatch for Python 2

2015-05-31 Thread Terry Reedy
On 5/31/2015 6:59 AM, Alexander Walters wrote: A better course of action would be to deprecate the non-portable version. Other than setting the PATH envvar, why do we need to continue even touching the system on install? It is highly annoying for those of us that maintain several installs of py

[Python-Dev] Python 3 migration status update across some key subcommunities (was Re: 2.7 is here until 2020, please don't call it a waste.)

2015-05-31 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 31 May 2015 at 19:07, Ludovic Gasc wrote: > About Python 3 migration, I think that one of our best control stick is > newcomers, and by extension, Python trainers/teachers. > If newcomers learn first Python 3, when they will start to work > professionally, they should help to rationalize the Py

Re: [Python-Dev] Obtaining stack-frames from co-routine objects

2015-05-31 Thread Ben Leslie
Hi Yury, I'm just starting my exploration into using async/await; all my 'real-world' scenarios are currently hypothetical. One such hypothetical scenario however is that if I have a server process running, with some set of concurrent connections, each managed by a co-routine. Each co-routine is

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.7 is here until 2020, please don't call it a waste.

2015-05-31 Thread Ludovic Gasc
2015-05-31 0:26 GMT+02:00 Nick Coghlan : > > On 31 May 2015 04:20, "Ludovic Gasc" wrote: > > > > For now, I'm following the mailing-lists from a spy-glass: I don't read > most of the e-mails. > > However, this thread seems to be "infected": I can smell from here your > emotions behind your words.

Re: [Python-Dev] Computed Goto dispatch for Python 2

2015-05-31 Thread Alexander Walters
A better course of action would be to deprecate the non-portable version. Other than setting the PATH envvar, why do we need to continue even touching the system on install? It is highly annoying for those of us that maintain several installs of python on a single windows system, and it reall

Re: [Python-Dev] Computed Goto dispatch for Python 2

2015-05-31 Thread Paul Moore
On 31 May 2015 at 11:41, Paul Moore wrote: > On 31 May 2015 at 10:14, Xavier Combelle wrote: >>> +1. The new embeddable Python distribution for Windows is a great step >>> forward for this. It's not single-file, but it's easy to produce a >>> single-directory self-contained application with it. I

Re: [Python-Dev] Computed Goto dispatch for Python 2

2015-05-31 Thread Paul Moore
On 31 May 2015 at 10:14, Xavier Combelle wrote: >> +1. The new embeddable Python distribution for Windows is a great step >> forward for this. It's not single-file, but it's easy to produce a >> single-directory self-contained application with it. I don't know if >> there's anything equivalent for

Re: [Python-Dev] Computed Goto dispatch for Python 2

2015-05-31 Thread Xavier Combelle
> +1. The new embeddable Python distribution for Windows is a great step > forward for this. It's not single-file, but it's easy to produce a > single-directory self-contained application with it. I don't know if > there's anything equivalent for Linux/OSX - maybe it's something we > should look at