Re: [Python-Dev] updating ensurepip to include wheel

2015-08-07 Thread Donald Stufft
On Aug 7, 2015, at 3:02 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 August 2015 at 08:50, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: Certainly the framing of ensurepip as 'this installs pip' is going to be confusing and misleading if it doesn't install pip the way get-pip.py (or

Re: [Python-Dev] updating ensurepip to include wheel

2015-08-07 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 7 August 2015 at 08:50, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: Certainly the framing of ensurepip as 'this installs pip' is going to be confusing and misleading if it doesn't install pip the way get-pip.py (or virtualenv) install pip, leading to confusion such as that. Given the

Re: [Python-Dev] updating ensurepip to include wheel

2015-08-07 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 7 August 2015 at 17:20, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote: I’m not sure if —no-build-tools make sense, since I plan on removing setuptools from ensurepip completely once pip can implicitly install it. PEP 453 explicitly called out the fact that setuptools was installed as an

Re: [Python-Dev] updating ensurepip to include wheel

2015-08-07 Thread Victor Stinner
Le 7 août 2015 00:51, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net a écrit : So - I was in a talk at PyCon AU about conda[*], and the author believed they were using the latest pip with all the latest caching features, but their experience (16 minute installs) wasn't that. If an expert user is

Re: [Python-Dev] updating ensurepip to include wheel

2015-08-07 Thread Chris Barker - NOAA Federal
I'm confident we're going to want a support prebuilt wheels only installation option downstream in the Linux distro world - Interesting-- so move to a Python specific binary distribution option -- rather than using rm or deb packages? Doesn't lead to a dependency heck? I.e no way to express

Re: [Python-Dev] updating ensurepip to include wheel

2015-08-07 Thread Chris Barker - NOAA Federal
Please don't add extra pain for purity and make sure that ensurepip installs pip and not slow pip until you install wheel in the venv. This is a really good point -- other than purity, what is the downside? Arguably, the only reason setuptools, pip, and wheel are not in the standard library are

[Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2015-08-07 Thread Python tracker
ACTIVITY SUMMARY (2015-07-31 - 2015-08-07) Python tracker at http://bugs.python.org/ To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue. Do NOT respond to this message. Issues counts and deltas: open4992 (+31) closed 31595 (+32) total 36587 (+63) Open issues

Re: [Python-Dev] updating ensurepip to include wheel

2015-08-07 Thread Donald Stufft
On Aug 7, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Chris Barker - NOAA Federal chris.bar...@noaa.gov wrote: Please don't add extra pain for purity and make sure that ensurepip installs pip and not slow pip until you install wheel in the venv. This is a really good point -- other than purity, what is the

[Python-Dev] PEP-498: Literal String Formatting

2015-08-07 Thread Eric V. Smith
Following a long discussion on python-ideas, I've posted my draft of PEP-498. It describes the f-string approach that was the subject of the Briefer string format thread. I'm open to a better title than Literal String Formatting. I need to add some text to the discussion section, but I think it's

Re: [Python-Dev] updating ensurepip to include wheel

2015-08-07 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 8 August 2015 at 02:12, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote: On Aug 7, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Chris Barker - NOAA Federal chris.bar...@noaa.gov wrote: Please don't add extra pain for purity and make sure that ensurepip installs pip and not slow pip until you install wheel in the venv.