Re: [Python-Dev] updating ensurepip to include wheel

2015-08-07 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 8 August 2015 at 02:12, Donald Stufft wrote: > >> On Aug 7, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Chris Barker - NOAA Federal >> wrote: >> >>> Please don't add extra pain for purity and >>> make sure that ensurepip installs "pip" and >>> not "slow pip until you install wheel in the venv". >> >> >> This is a rea

[Python-Dev] PEP-498: Literal String Formatting

2015-08-07 Thread Eric V. Smith
Following a long discussion on python-ideas, I've posted my draft of PEP-498. It describes the "f-string" approach that was the subject of the "Briefer string format" thread. I'm open to a better title than "Literal String Formatting". I need to add some text to the discussion section, but I think

Re: [Python-Dev] updating ensurepip to include wheel

2015-08-07 Thread Donald Stufft
> On Aug 7, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Chris Barker - NOAA Federal > wrote: > >> Please don't add extra pain for purity and >> make sure that ensurepip installs "pip" and >> not "slow pip until you install wheel in the venv". > > > This is a really good point -- other than purity, what is the downsid

[Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2015-08-07 Thread Python tracker
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Re: [Python-Dev] updating ensurepip to include wheel

2015-08-07 Thread Chris Barker - NOAA Federal
>Please don't add extra pain for purity and >make sure that ensurepip installs "pip" and >not "slow pip until you install wheel in the venv". This is a really good point -- other than purity, what is the downside? Arguably, the only reason setuptools, pip, and wheel are not in the standard libra

Re: [Python-Dev] updating ensurepip to include wheel

2015-08-07 Thread Chris Barker - NOAA Federal
> I'm confident we're > going to want a "support prebuilt wheels only" installation option > downstream in the Linux distro world - Interesting-- so move to a Python specific binary distribution option -- rather than using rm or deb packages? Doesn't lead to a dependency heck? I.e no way to expre

Re: [Python-Dev] updating ensurepip to include wheel

2015-08-07 Thread Victor Stinner
Le 7 août 2015 00:51, "Robert Collins" a écrit : > So - I was in a talk at PyCon AU about conda[*], and the author > believed they were using the latest pip with all the latest caching > features, but their experience (16 minute installs) wasn't that. If an expert user is unaware of having to exp

Re: [Python-Dev] updating ensurepip to include wheel

2015-08-07 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 7 August 2015 at 17:20, Donald Stufft wrote: > I’m not sure if —no-build-tools make sense, since I plan on removing > setuptools from ensurepip completely once pip can implicitly install it. PEP > 453 explicitly called out the fact that setuptools was installed as an > implementation detail

Re: [Python-Dev] updating ensurepip to include wheel

2015-08-07 Thread Donald Stufft
> On Aug 7, 2015, at 3:02 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > On 7 August 2015 at 08:50, Robert Collins wrote: >> Certainly the framing of ensurepip as 'this installs pip' is going to >> be confusing and misleading if it doesn't install pip the way >> get-pip.py (or virtualenv) install pip, leading to

Re: [Python-Dev] updating ensurepip to include wheel

2015-08-07 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 7 August 2015 at 08:50, Robert Collins wrote: > Certainly the framing of ensurepip as 'this installs pip' is going to > be confusing and misleading if it doesn't install pip the way > get-pip.py (or virtualenv) install pip, leading to confusion such as > that. > > Given the inconsequential impa