ve dependency.
CMake is readily available on all platforms, and it can be installed in a
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r each third party module.
Were those project files generated automatically, changing between
external modules within or outside python2x dll would be a one-line
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a upon iteration (it's a binary
tree); they're now adding std::unordered_map (and std::unordered_set), to
be implemented with a hash table. So, if you come from C++, it's easy to
mistake the meaning of an ordered dict.
This said, I don't have a specific suggestion, but I wo
the official script),
and you're done: say hello to "-g/--use-merge-history", to be use with
svn log and svn blame.
This is a good writeup of the new features:
http://chestofbooks.com/computers/revision-control/subversion-svn/Merge-
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On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:57 AM, Giovanni Bajo wrote:
I miss to understand why many Python developers are so fierce in trying
to push the idea of cross-python compatibility (which is something that
does simply *not* exist in real world for
On gio, 2009-01-22 at 18:42 -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Giovanni Bajo wrote:
> > CPython will always use reference counting and thus have a simple and
> > clear GC criteria that can be exploited to simplify the code.
>
> Believe t
the file
descriptor is automatically closed as soon as the file object is
destroyed. If you then feel "safer" always using with or try/finally,
nobody is going to complain. And everybody will be happy :)
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developers in this list that git-win32 is a good thing to use.
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an alternative that doesn't require full
understanding of MSI and msi.py would probably low the barrier and allow
more people to help you out.
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build the official one with CRT bundled. I
personally don't see this as a show-stopper (does anyone ever build
the .msi besides Martin?).
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rammers have
learnt to save code lines by relying on the reference-counting semantics.
[[ my 0.2: it would be a great loss if we lose reference-counting
semantic (eg: objects deallocated as soon as they exit the scope). I
would bargain that for a noticable speed increase of course, but my own
experi
Hello,
I'm trying to login into the tracker but it gives me "invalid login"
even after multiple password resets. I can't submit a proper bugreport
because... I can't login :)
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that could be handled in
module tmpfile (especially since the final "rename" step requires a
little care to be truly multiplatform).
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on to have mkstemp() return the
fd (except backward compatibility)?
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extual line changes.
[ I'll also remember that "ease of maintanance for developers" is the #1
reason for having a 2.1Mb python25.dll under Windows, which I would really
love to reduce. ]
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support. In fact, I didn't face any major
problems in using it under Windows (even in the details: eg, it supports
case-insensitive filesystems).
I can't speak of bzr.
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d it's spelled it.next(). getitem(it, -1)
might be useful in fact, and it might be spelled last(it) (or it.last()). Then
one may want to add first() for simmetry, but that's it:
first(i for i in candidates("foo") if i not in us
s pattern often require
more attention to details (eg: does the set keep a strong or weak reference to
the callback? What if I need to do several *transactional* modifications in a
row, and thus would like my callback to be called only once at the end?).
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> Part of the problem might be that we are using an old version of svn
> (1.1) AFAIK. IIRC these operations were sped up in later versions.
Yes they were. If that's the case, then probably the server should be updated.
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works* is of little importance, since the article is
more about maintenance of existing code using super (and the suggestions he
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syntax to do it (ala Dylan's next-method), I would surely use it often enough
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with these issues, I came to the personal conclusion
of avoiding threads as much as possible. Threads are processes with shared
memory, but in many real-world use cases I faced, there is really only a very
little chunk of memory which is shared, and Python makes it i
y believe this is just a red herring, pushed by some SCM wonk. The
problem with patch submission has absolutely *nothing* to do with tools. Do we
have any evidence that new developers are getting frustrated because they
can't handle their patches well enough with the current to
re core developers.
Acceptance that any patch is better than no patch. There are many valid Python
programmers out there, and there are many many patches to stdlib which really
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at it accepts a single iterable positional
arguments (or keyword arguments). This matches tuple() (and other containers)
in behaviour, and makes it easier to substitute existing uses with named tuples.
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this bikeshed:
a.[[b]]
handlers = chain.get(kind, ())
for handler in handlers:
func = handler.[[meth_name]]
result = func(*args)
if result is not None:
return result
Little heavy on the eye, but it seems that it's exactly what people want and
can
eturn result
return self.http_error_default(url, fp, errcode, errmsg, headers)
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defined, all names which
do not start with '_').
This wouldn't prevent introspection tools to use mod.__dict__ to still access
the module's global dictionary, of course. But it would allow module's authors
to more clearly document the module's
dictionary operations. The only required property is that objects which
compare equal have the same hash value; [...]
I personally consider *very* important that hash(5.0) == hash(5) (and that 5.0
==
that
> form to make it less vulnerable to the spambots, I'd be happy to incorporate
> them into Buildbot.
I'd throw a CAPTCHA in. There are even some written in Python.
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2.x serie...
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bits, and the STOP macro would check for FPU errors and raise an appropriate
exception if needed.
Is this suggestion still valid or people changed their mind meanwhile? Would
such a rewrite of fpectl (or a new module with a different name) be ac
Hello,
wasn't there a project about the zipfile module in the Summer of Code? How did
it go?
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and regenerate them as needed". So, the few
times that you really care that a certain application is run with a specific
setting, you can use "python -I -OO app.py".
And that's all.
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ooks.ModuleImporter(ihooks.ModuleLoader(_NoBarePycHooks())).install()
== /nobarepyc.py
Just import it before importing anything else (or in site.py if you prefer)
and you'll be done.
Ah, it doesn't work with zipimports...
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maintained at this point (if you exclude the setuptools stuff which is its
disputed maintenance/evolution).
subprocess has been introduced in Python 2.4.
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> only One Obvious Way To Do It.
I'm totally in favor of obsoletion and removal of old cruft from the standard
library.
I'm totally against *not* having a standard library.
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der if the performance improvement comes from ceval.c only
(or maybe a few other selected files). Is it possible to somehow link the
PGO-optimized ceval.obj into the VS2003 project?
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ng rarely used features (like
__var in the other thread). I just can't see how dropping __del__ makes things
easier, while it surely makes life a lot harder for the legitimate users of it.
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ng fruit. By carefully selecting which modules to link in, I was
able to reduce of another 300K or so, but nothing really incredible. I would
also suggest -ffunction-sections in these cases, but you might already know
that.
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ording to how many levels of __init__.py there are...)
Since I consider this more of an environmental problem, I would not find
satisfying any kind of solution at the single module level (and even less so
one requiring so much guess-work as this one).
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fic), so it likely needs to be maintained separately.
>> It was written for the current trunk, but hopefully applies
>> to most recent releases.
A way not to maintain this patch forever would be to devise a way to make
format syntax "pluggable" / "scriptable". Ther
design of the
packages.
This is how I usually design my packages at least. There might be valid use
cases for doing sys.path hackery, but I have yet to find them.
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Besides, it won't be allowed in Vista with the default user permissions.
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ce), so that NOT having the bug fixed in a point release is
not a problem.
Anyway, I'm not pushing for this specific policy (even if I like it): I'm just
suggesting Release Managers to more formally define what should and what should
not go in a point release.
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> that module ?
Oh yes, it's a 30% improvement in pystone, for free.
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it's a number.
>> On the other hand, unicode and str are going to diverge more and
>> more.
>
> Well, not really. True division makes int/int return float instead of
> an int. You really do have to care if you have an int or a float most
> of the time, they're
n
a way (see the true division issue): the idea is that, all in all, user
shouldn't really care what type a number is, as long as he knows it's a number.
On the other hand, unicode and str are going to diverge more and more.
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ts of VC8 with PGO, and the fact
that Visual Studio Express 2005 is free forever, I would hope as well for
the decision to be reconsidered.
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in array
because of higher overhead of implementation (higher constant factor).
And if this is allowed, I would like to find in CPython tutorials and
documentations a simple statement like: "to implement the list and match its
requirements, CPython choose a simple array as underlying data structure&
ture optimized for many operations (like a "rope" or
something complex like that). Documenting that it's just a bare vector
(std::vector in C++) would be of great help.
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*bignum or similar mathematical
operations, but there are really a few. If we could make those release the
GIL (or poll some kind of watchdog used to abort them, pretty much like they
normally poll CTRL+C), then the same trick used by the recipe could be used.
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the consequences can at least be
> analysed.
I agree, and in fact Brett's work on a proper security model is greatly
welcome. It's just that us mere mortals need to use eval() *now*, and that
recipe is good enough for many practice uses. If you can't win, you can at
least lose
s on a single long operation because the GIL is not released and the
alarm thread does not get its chance to run.
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ext(__builtin__.object)
| Contains the context for a Decimal instance.
[...]
| flags - When an exception is caused, flags[exception] is incremented.
| (Whether or not the trap_enabler is set)
| Should be reset by user of Decimal instance.
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its ETA, and the release manager then publishes a work-plan for
Stage 1 and 2, telling which projects will be merged when. This avoids
multiple large projects to hit the trunk at the same time, causing may
headaches to all the other developers. The w
rk, many applications relying on it will *mostly* work as well. I
personally don't think it's such a big problem if one has to fix a couple of
things in a 100K-line application to adjust it to the new .0 release, even if
it's actually because of a bug in Python itself.
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not be
> familiar with the intricacies of classes and
> metaclasses. I don't think it would hurt to have
> it available as a __future__ import as well.
>
> There's also the advantage that all of a
> module's future assumptions could then be
> docume
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is pretty common in project management. For instance, GCC has a rather
complex 4-stage release process, whose last phase (beginning at the point
the release is branched in SVN) is made of commits only for regressions.
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> "implicit" scoping rule that exists in Python today.
Interesting. What if for-loops implicitally used "my" on the iteration
variable? That would solve the binding problem we were discussing and make
lambdas "Do The Right Thing"(TM) when used in loops.
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not really
looked up only at run-time, but there's "something" going on even at
function definition time. I don't see anything wrong if lambdas (or nested
scopes) did the same for names provably coming from the outer scope.
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> Yes but:
>
>>>> a = []
>>>> for i in range(10):
> ... a.append(lambda: i)
> ...
>>>> print [x() for x in a]
> [9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9]
>
> This subtle semantic of lambda is quite confusing, and still forces peop
nge(10):
... a.append(lambda: i)
...
>>> print [x() for x in a]
[9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9]
This subtle semantic of lambda is quite confusing, and still forces people to
use the "i=i" trick.
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to a name with the same
naming convention)
- Often requires explicit sys.exit() which breaks python -i
- Broken by -mpkg.mod, and we ended up with another __magic_name__ just
because of this.
- (new) Defining a main() function is already the preferred style for
reusability, so __main__ woul
fact that importing a module equals evaluating all of its statement one by
one). A function called __main__ which is magically invoked by the python
itself is much much easier to grasp. A different, clearer spelling for the
if condition (like: "if not __imported__") would help as well.
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>
> So, such modules would require a minor change to run under -m. Is
> this
> actually a problem, or is it a new feature?
This is where I wonder why the "def __main__()" PEP was rejected in the
first place. It would have
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was to use VS 2003 for another cycle
(i.e. 2.5). But the fact that VS 2003 is no longer available for download is an
important fact, and we might want to rediscuss the issue.
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releases, and merge changes back and forth much more simply (since if they
reside on the same repository, you can use svnmerge-like features to find out
modifications and whatnot).
Maintaining an external repository seems like a larger effort, and probably not
worth it.
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and whatnot. It's basically "unportable"
by design to native Windows. I guess the only sane approach is to use it under
Cygwin. IMO this is a big no-go for real Windows developers.
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nnot find a way to maintain it properly. The fact that there hundreds
of unreviewed patches to the standard library made by wannabe contributors
is a blatant sign that something *can* be improved.
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of stuff, since it's bundled in 2.5. I don't know any
Python sys/os method to get a pointer to that directory. Another thing that you
might do is to drop those absolute system directories altogether. After all,
ipconfig should always be in the path.
As a last note, you are parsing ipco
ess it's better if each function catches
its own exceptions, and either return None or raise a common exception (like a
class _GetNodeError(RuntimeError)) which is then caught.
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gt; added a question to the dev faq with this as the answer. Hope you
> don't mind... It should show up on
>
> http://www.python.org/dev/faq/
>
> as question 3.23 in a few minutes.
Sure, I'm glad to help. You may want to revise it a little since it wasn't
information if you later run
"svn info" on the working copy (as you're probably going to forget what
[/branches/release24-maint, 39619] means pretty soon, while [/tags/r242, NNN]
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> It seems that we should convert the crc32 functions in binascii,
> zlib, etc. to deal with unsigned integers.
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still be succesfully used even if it requires some smallish
wrapper to achieve the exact functionality. I know I have been implementing
something similar very often. Since when do we need a full PEP process,
nitpicking the small details to death, just to add a simple function?
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prevent much boilerplate in the stdlib:
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make it less useful nor it
does provide a need for adding a new method to the string.
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ould simply export the function the csv module uses to
> parse the actual data fields as a more prominent method, which
> accepts keyword arguments, instead of a Dialect-derived class.
I think you're over-generalizing a very simple problem. I believe that
st
()).
It's already there. It's called shlex.split(), and follows the semantic of a
standard UNIX shell, including escaping and other things.
>>> import shlex
>>> shlex.split(r"""Hey I\'m a "bad guy" for you""")
['Hey&
her it is a real extension or not, and so does the simple,
clear, mechanical thing: it splits on the right-most dot.
And even if they know this "limitation" (if you want to call it so, I call it
"clear, consistent behaviour which applies to a not-always-consistently-used
convention"), the function is still useful.
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ot;.gz"
Path.name.ext = ".tar"
Path.name.name.ext = ""
Which is exactly the *same* thing that os.path.splitext() does. And yes, I do
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is to make all related functions accept a path
> object.
I'm not an expert in this field, but I believe that if you can make your Path
object support the so-called buffer interface, it would be directly usable for
functions like open() without an expl
ction implementations where possible. If the dispatching is done
correctly (through a fixed size virtual table for all the platforms),
BuildBot should be able to tell you quite fast if you forgot something.
At least, this setup would fix the docstring and the largefile issues raised
in your co
ted in hearing folks' opinions about that, one way or the
> other.
This would be good. I believe pkg_resources is useful in 2.5 and in no way it
represents a not properly integrated layer of additional functionalities (like
setuptools is to distutils now). If you sincerely believe that pkg
ogramming/mstoolkit/
In fact, it would be great if the patches provided here were reviewed and
integrated into the official Python distutils.
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need to do "import distutils2" to do,
eg, "setup.py develop"? This doesn't break backward compatibility.
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tutils? Is it
just for backward compatibility? If so, can't we have some kind of versioning
system?
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interoperate with native libraries, while
Construct uses its to interoperate with binary protocols. I didn't see a good
reason why you shouldn't extend ctypes so to provide features that it is
currently missing. It looks like it could be easily extended to do so.
Giovanni Bajo
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