On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 9:18 AM Piotr Waszkiewicz
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> Do you think about something along those lines?
> ```
> phone = book.publisher.owner.phone except AttributeError: None
> ```
>
Yes, that seems reasonable.
> I don't mind this syntax but it would have to be supported by static type
> ch
On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 1:16 AM Piotr Waszkiewicz
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> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 2:33 AM Michael Selik wrote:
>
>> In case it saves anyone a couple clicks:
>> https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0463/
>> I also prefer more syntactic help with exceptions, rather than mo
On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 9:39 AM Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 3:25 AM Baptiste Carvello
> wrote:
> >
> > Le 18/10/2021 à 20:26, Guido van Rossum a écrit :
> > >
> > > y = None # Default
> > > if config is not None:
> > > handler = config.get("handler")
> > > if handler is
Dear all,
After several months of absence - my first manual build surprised me by
the addition of the -qalias=noansi.
Before I open an issue - maybe it is not that important - I am trying to
find what brought it in. It looks to be a change in behavior in
configure(.ac) - starting with Python
!,
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pt-in to this behavior if they define
`__match_args__
= None`? Not sure if adding the extra "is None" check when doing the match
will introduce too much overhead though.
-- Michael
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> Today I’m happy (and a little trepidatious) to a
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reasoning.
If other people support this change I'd start the work of creating an
issue and PR to get this change implemented.
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On 09/01/2020 13:16, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Hi Michael, and welcome!
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 09, 2020 at 11:37:33AM +0100, Michael wrote:
>
>> I am not questioning the demands of the lint checker - rather - I am
>> offering my services (aka time) to work through core
x27;_extend_dict',
'_generate_posix_vars', '_get_default_scheme',
'_get_sysconfigdata_name', '_getuserbase', '_init_non_posix',
'_init_posix', '_is_python_source_dir', '_main', '_parse_makefile',
'_print_
be? Based on that we can decide if something like AIX build instructions
> makes sense or if we should just gut the directory.
>
> For me personally, I'm torn. While helping out other folks using AIX through
> that text file might be good due to the work you put in, Michael, whi
single -longer term- issue - and multiple PR's to work
through corrections and additions during 2020. Focus on Python 3.9 and
beyond yet where appropriate backlevel to Python 3.8 or even 3.7.
Sincerely,
Michael
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A program has exactly - zero (0) of something, one (1) of something, or
infinite. The moment it gets set to X, the case for X+1 appears.
Since we are not talking about zero, or one - I guess my comment is make
sure it can be used to infinity.
Regards,
Michael
p.s. If this has already been
On 31/10/2019 00:17, Larry Hastings wrote:
>
>
> Due to awkward CDN caching, some users who downloaded the source code
> tarballs of Python 3.5.8 got a preliminary version instead of the
> final version. As best as we can tell, this only affects the .xz
> release; there are no known instances of u
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> On 15 Sep 2019, at 23:25, Tim Peters wrote:
>
> [Tim]
>> While python-dev has several "official" moderators, best I can tell
>> I'm the only one who has reviewed these messages for years.
>
> I should clarify that! That's not meant to be a dig at the other
> moderators
rhaps create
"issues" that specify the "paragraphs", or whatever you think are
appropriate 'chunks' to make review sensible (if not also easier).
Michael
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On 05/08/2019 11:16, Inada Naoki wrote:
> https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/1213123005d9f94bb5027c0a5256ea4d3e97b61d/Include/pyport.h#L158-L168
>
> This can be changed to this:
>
> #ifndef PY_FORMAT_SIZE_T
> /* "z" is defined C99 and portable enough. We can use "%zd" instead of
>"%" PY_FO
hon will be delivering "a
promise", being decisive, being clear. Not following through only
creates insecurity - will they ever do it? Nah - no guts (these are
3rd-party developers chatting). Users are your friend. If they really
want Python3.8+ and they get lots of warning messages - THEY wi
. Just have to say CC=c99 or CC=xlc or
one of the other variants.
If more documentation is desired - just let me know.
Michael
Standards and specifications XL
C is designed to support the following standards and specifications. You
can refer to these standards for precise definitions of some
On 02/08/2019 04:12, Inada Naoki wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 10:21 PM Victor Stinner wrote:
>> Hi INADA-san,
>>
>> Is it supported on macOS, FreeBSD, AIX, Android, etc.?
>>
>> My notes on platforms supported by Python:
>> https://pythondev.readthedocs.io/platforms.html
>>
>> For example, xlc C
so not documented. I propose
> removing this sorted order in 3.9 and to preserve the original order. The
> change is straightforward and I can add a PR if this change is accepted.
+1 go ahead. The test that will fail was synthetic for the sorting and it won't
cause real tests to fail
ue-tracker and PR conversation indicate to me that documentation of
different
approaches to organizing code dependencies is vital. And that it is not
easily available. Devguide is one area - but 'core' documentation is
more important imho - I read, and compare, the Python docu
ssword that can write to
> https://pypi.org/project/mock/ ...
I can add you as a maintainer. Ping me off-list.
Michael
>
>> If I understand correctly this is just the hg style branch backport
>> consequence, multiple copies of a change. Should be safe to skip thos
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 2:11 AM Victor Stinner wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> Do you know the tracemalloc module? Did you try it? It works on a
> regular Python (compiled in debug mode).
>
> I would be curious to know if tracemalloc also allows you to track the
> memory leak.
&g
On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 8:12 PM Nathaniel Smith wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 5:00 PM Michael Sullivan wrote:
> >
> > I've submitted PEP 591 (Adding a final qualifier to typing) for
> discussion to typing-sig [1].
>
> I'm not on typing-sig [1] so I'm r
On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 4:06 PM Nathaniel Smith wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 15:27 Michael Sullivan wrote:
>
>> > The main question is if anyone ever used Py_TRACE_REFS? Does someone
>> > use sys.getobjects() or PYTHONDUMPREFS environment variable?
>>
>> I
I've submitted PEP 591 (Adding a final qualifier to typing) for discussion
to typing-sig [1].
Here's the abstract:
This PEP proposes a "final" qualifier to be added to the ``typing``
module---in the form of a ``final`` decorator and a ``Final`` type
annotation---to serve three related purposes:
*
> The main question is if anyone ever used Py_TRACE_REFS? Does someone
> use sys.getobjects() or PYTHONDUMPREFS environment variable?
I used sys.getobjects() today to track down a memory leak in the
mypyc-compiled version of mypy.
We were leaking memory badly but no sign of the leak was showing u
On 04/03/2019 04:30, Benjamin Peterson wrote:
> Hello all,
> I'm pleased to announce the immediate availability of Python 2.7.16 for
> download at https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-2716/.
Congratulations!
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> On 2/21/2019 11:26 AM, Michael wrote:
> It seems so - however, Is there something such as PyUnsignedLong and is
> that large enough for a "long long"? and if it exists, would that make
> the value positive (for the
On 16/02/2019 23:34, Steve Dower wrote:
> I like that we're taking (small) steps to reduce the size of our API.
I consider myself - an "outsider", so an "outsider's" view is that
anything that makes it more clear about what is intended aka supported
as the Python API is an improvement.
Without c
PyStructSequence_SET_ITEM(v, 2, _PyLong_FromDev(st->st_dev));
+2046 #endif
+711 #define _PyLong_FromDev PyLong_FromLongLong
It seems so - however, Is there something such as PyUnsignedLong and is
that large enough for a "long long"? and if it exists, would that make
th
On 20/02/2019 18:58, Victor Stinner wrote:
> If Python 3.4 was the current version when a bug was reported, I would
> expect the version field of the bug set to Python 3.4. Maybe the bug
> has been fixed in the meanwhile, maybe not. Closing all bugs affected
> to 3.4 is a risk of loosing useful inf
installed.
While I am also concerned about AIX status I also hope that my inspection is
helping to improve Python.
Sincerely,
Michael
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On Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 12:04 AM INADA Naoki I'm sorry, configparser is changed already.
> https://bugs.python.org/issue33504
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 4:52 PM INADA Naoki
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > csv.DictReader uses OrderedDict b
pproval.
I could not have gotten this far without help!
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On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 5:48 PM Oscar Benjamin
wrote:
> There have been significant improvements in pip, pypi and the whole
> packaging ecosystem in recent years thanks to the efforts of many
> including Paul. I've been pushing students and others to Anaconda
> simply because I knew that at minim
On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 1:33 PM Nathaniel Smith wrote:
> > > https://anaconda.com/
> > > https://www.activestate.com/products/activepython/
> > > http://winpython.github.io/
> > > http://python-xy.github.io/
> > > https://www.enthought.com/product/canopy/
> > > https://software.intel.com/en-us/di
On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 4:33 PM Victor Stinner wrote:
> It uses an opt-in option (Py_NEWCAPI define -- I'm not sure about the
> name) to get the new API. The current C API is unchanged.
>
While one can hope that this will be the only time the C API will be
revised, it may be better to number it i
g a single file and add some extra flags (-qsource or -qlist)
which generates a .lst file and shows what the compiler did (macro expansion,
etc..)
If you would like me to attempt this - just let me know. Although it may take
24 hours from that request before I can fulfill it.
Regards,
Michael
test was, and I'll look at it on my server manually.
If it succeeds - I would also appreciate a heads-up!
Thanks,
Michael
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My short comment: +1
My longer comment: for someone who is not trying to be caught up in "internals"
I find it extremely difficult to work with the "default" approach described
below - trying to mentally understand, and remember what those macros mean/do
as I got "bug-hunting".
Ultimately, hav
ds/1645/steps/2/logs/stdio
https://buildbot.python.org/all/#/builders/161/builds/328/steps/2/logs/stdio
Help appreciated.
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Thanks for asking a question that triggered an enlightening discussion!
On 10/25/2018 5:13 PM, Stephane Wirtel wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> After your feedback, I have my answer.
>
> I understand the your points of view and I don't want to change any part
> of code for os.system and subprocess, I don't w
This thread seems more appropriate for python-ideas than python-dev.
On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 5:28 AM Sean Harrington
wrote:
> Michael - the initializer/globals pattern still might be necessary if you
> need to create an object AFTER a worker process has been instantiated (i.e.
> a
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:01 AM Sean Harrington
wrote:
> I like the idea to extend the Pool class [to optimize the case when only
> one function is passed to the workers].
>
Why would this keep the same interface as the Pool class? If its workers
are restricted to calling only one function, that
27;m still worried about unintended consequences.
On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 9:00 AM Michael Selik
wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 8:35 AM Sean Harrington
> wrote:
>
>> The most common use case comes up when passing instance methods (of
>> really big objects!) to Pool.map().
On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 8:35 AM Sean Harrington
wrote:
> The most common use case comes up when passing instance methods (of really
> big objects!) to Pool.map().
>
This reminds me of that old joke: "A patient says to the doctor, 'Doctor,
it hurts when I ...!' The doctor replies, 'Well, don't do
If imap_unordered is currently re-pickling and sending func each time it's
called on the worker, I have to suspect there was some reason to do that
and not cache it after the first call. Rather than assuming that's an
opportunity for an optimization, I'd want to be certain it won't have edge
case n
Would this change the other pool method behavior in some way if the user,
for whatever reason, mixed techniques?
imap_unordered will only block when nexting the generator. If the user
mingles nexting that generator with, say, apply_async, could the change
you're proposing have some side-effect?
O
On 05/10/2018 22:01, Rob Boehne wrote:
> On 10/5/18, 10:33 AM, "Python-Dev on behalf of Michael Haubenwallner"
> michael.haubenwall...@ssi-schaefer.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >... I build everything myself, using xlc
> >(gcc introd
On 05/10/2018 16:15, Michael Haubenwallner wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> being on a similar road with Gentoo Prefix, I really do appreciate
> your AIX related work!
>
> However, for two (not so minor) topics I've got a little different
> experience, which I think should be men
Hi Michael,
being on a similar road with Gentoo Prefix, I really do appreciate
your AIX related work!
However, for two (not so minor) topics I've got a little different
experience, which I think should be mentioned here for completion:
On 10/04/2018 11:13 AM, Michael Felt wrote:
> On 1
ndard (valid when release came out, so AIX 5.3
confirms to a different standard than AIX 7.2)
* While Linux affinity is recognized - GNU (or GNP - GNU not POSIX)
integration is not guaranteed. - GNU rte is not provided under support.
There is a so-called Toolbox, GNU an other OSS utilities supplied by
over 20
minutes, and I had to go. Of the 419, 17 or 18 had failed. Roughly where
AIX plus xlc was at last July without my PRs for tests.
So, while it worked - money stopped and Solaris is in no better
numerical shape (test wise) than AIX.
> Michael explicitly said this is a personal effo
process, from a different module, testing w/o globals, etc...)..
>
> This would essentially be an efficient implementation of Pool.starmap(),
> where kwargs are static, and passed to each application of "func" over our
> iterable.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> On Sat, S
l tests
mean less if they are not merged, for whatever reason.
However, maybe there is another way, or even something additional
needed. Maybe something I cannot provide and then I can adjust my
expectations and goals.
Regards,
Michael
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On 10/3/2018 1:46 AM, Neil Schemenauer wrote:
> On 2018-10-02, Michael Felt wrote:
>> I am sorry, for myself obviously - but also for Python. Obviously, I am
>> doing it all wrong - as I see lots of other issues being picked up
>> immediately.
> I'm not sure that&#x
On 10/3/2018 2:48 AM, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 10/2/2018 7:16 PM, Michael Felt wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 10/2/2018 11:34 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
>>> On 10/2/2018 12:41 PM, Simon Cross wrote:
>>>> Are there any core devs that Michael or Erik could collaborate
On 10/2/2018 11:34 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 10/2/2018 12:41 PM, Simon Cross wrote:
>> Are there any core devs that Michael or Erik could collaborate with?
>> Rather than rely on adhoc patch review from random core developers.
>
> You two might collaborate with each o
Yes, unintended. It was only supposed to be signed, but "Send Later"
encrypts it.
Unpacked version:
On 10/2/2018 1:07 AM, Benjamin Peterson wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018, at 12:12, Michael Felt wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Before I submit a patch to increase the
On 10/2/2018 4:45 PM, Erik Bray wrote:
> Michael, if there are any PRs you want to point me to that I might be
> able to help review please do.
A little trick I learned:
https://github.com/python/cpython/pulls?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+author%3Aaixtools+sort%3Aupdated-desc
lists them all.
I am willing to assist as best I can with AIX - I seem to have the core
requirements re: time available: (i.e., over-comitted at work, but
'work' evenings and weekends on OSS :p)
On 10/2/2018 6:41 PM, Simon Cross wrote:
> Are there any core devs that Michael or Erik could col
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And, while you may not give a damn about anything other than Windows,
macos and/or Linux - there are other platforms that would like a stable
Python.
Sincerely,
Michael
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On 9/30/2018 2:17 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> (It's also called Dutch Rounding.)
Ah - as to why - and from school! (as so-called intuitive! rather desired!).
A test score goes from 5.5 to 6.0 - which becomes passing.
Oh, do I recall my children's frustrations when they had a X.4Y score -
tha
intended
as a last resort variable that can be modified in Makefile.
Thanks!
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On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 5:24 AM Sean Harrington wrote:
>> On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:39 PM Sean Harrington wrote:
>> > My simple argument is that the developer should not be constrained to make
>> > the objects passed globally available in the process, as this MAY break
>> > encapsulation for la
On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:11 PM Sean Harrington wrote:
> kwarg on Pool.__init__ called `expect_initret`, that defaults to False. When
> set to True:
> Capture the return value of the initializer kwarg of Pool
> Pass this value to the function being applied, as a kwarg.
The parameter name you cho
Not critical - but I note a difference between Python3 3.6.7 and 3.7.1 -
no support for the configure option --with-openssl.
On AIX I was able to run both configure and "make install" without incident.
I also ran the "make test" command.
v3.7.1:
9 tests failed again:
test_ctypes test_distut
First, this sounds like it belongs on python-ideas, not python-dev.
Second, when you do send a message to python-ideas, it'll help to
accompany it with a realistic example usage that motivates your
proposal.
On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 11:18 AM wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> A humble proposal for a switch-like st
s://github.com/python/cpython/pulls?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+author%3Aaixtools+sort%3Aupdated-desc
But I'll add the combined one to get it through grinder and see if there
are unexpected surprises.
Michael
>
> Cheers,
> Nick.
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On 17/09/2018 12:50, Michael wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> The last two months I have spent nearly all my free time to cleanup "a
> frustration" - from my side - the long list of failing tests for AIX
> (there were nearly 20 when I started).
== Tests result: SUCCESS ==
393 test
On 17/09/2018 09:39, Michael wrote:
> I read the discussion related to issue32374. That seems to be sure that
> other events that could
> cause the test to fail (i.e., the program executes successfully) are
> caught early, and/or ignored
> so that the program fails - and the test s
l test_tix test_tk
test_ttk_guionly test_ttk_textonly test_turtle test_unicode_file
test_unicode_file_functions test_winconsoleio test_winreg
test_winsound test_zipfile64
1 re-run test:
test_importlib
Awaiting comments and suggestions. Many thanks for your time.
Mi
I read the discussion related to issue32374. That seems to be sure that
other events that could
cause the test to fail (i.e., the program executes successfully) are
caught early, and/or ignored
so that the program fails - and the test succeeds.
I am having trouble figuring out why the script below
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 3:13 AM Evpok Padding
wrote:
> According to the [doc][1], `collections.Counter` convenience intersection
> and union functions are meant to help it represent multisets. However, it
> currently lacks comparisons, which would make sense and seems
> straightforward to implemen
On 28/08/2018 09:57, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Michael Felt (aixtools) writes:
>
> > When building out of tree there is no .git reference. If I
> > understand the process it uses git to see what files have changed,
> > and does further processing on those.
>
>
nk"
aka Thanks in Advance.
So, hoping this helps - I'll continue as I can. Time and resources are
limited. And, I am very curious re: point c) above.
Great Days! everyone,
Michael
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:37, Mariatta Wijaya wrote:
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> I don't quite understand the problem you're facing with git and make
> patchcheck?
>
> Also, perhaps this is more for core-workflow instead of python-dev.
>
> Mariatta
>
> ᐧ
>
>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 3:20 AM Michae
lse also experiences this,
and feels capable of makeing it more flexible - you will get thanks from
me, in any case!
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My idea would be to focus on a "fix" for 3.8, and then decide if it can,
in one form or another, be backported. And also how far. IMHO - the
discussion about breakage is holding back even an attempt for a
resolution for 3.8.
Michael
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FAIL: test_copy_remove_setuid (test.test_shutil.TestShutil)
--
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/data/prj/python/git/python3-3.8/Lib/test/test_shutil.py", line
1491, in
On 09/08/2018 00:52, Michael Felt wrote:
> Change by Michael Felt :
>
>
> --
> pull_requests: +8196
>
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10:59 PM, Michael wrote:
>
> As I have time, I'll dig into these.
>
> I have a couple of PR already 'out there', which I hope someone will
> be looking at when/as he/she/they have time. My time will also be
> intermittent.
>
> My next test - and I hope not t
On 8/6/2018 11:38 AM, Charalampos Stratakis wrote:
> A side note on your side note. Different distro's have different
> standards, use/customer cases to address etc. In enterprise
> distributions the usual scheme is that the version that you see is the
> minimum one and many fixes coming from ups
in understanding the tests, and probably better python
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On 03/08/2018 03:22, Larry Hastings wrote:
On 08/02/2018 07:17 AM, Victor Stinner wrote:
3.4.9 and 3.5.6 have no more known security vulnerabilities :-)
Well, not to be a complete pill, but...
https://bugs.python.org/issue17180
https://bugs.python.org/issue17239
https://bugs.python
verwriting files and/or mixed versions. Sigh.
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 at 08:40 Michael wrote:
I have a build_bot running (yeah me!), and was surprised to see
test_zlib fail on AIX.
There is not an issue with test_zlib, but I do have a suggestion.
I was getting an error with test_flushes(). On python2-
Sounds like i can skip this then. Thx.
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> On 1 Aug 2018, at 17:52, Christian Heimes wrote:
>
>> On 2018-08-01 13:58, Michael wrote:
>> a) I am looking at getting spwd integrated from AIX
>>
>> b) only the parameter sp_pwdp is my concern - as
this horribly break things if only '!' was returned, rather than
the shadow password?
It does not look terribly hard - but how do you deal with defaults such
as 0 or -1 for the numeric values?
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passes all
sub-tests.
Again, not a python bug - but a suggestion for improving what is tested.
I can open an issue, and with a bit of assistance/interest from others
I'll even do a PR.
Michael
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Would it be possible to normalize by the number of mailing list members and
also by "active" members? The latter would be tricky to define.
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 3:29 PM Victor Stinner wrote:
> Hi Bob,
>
> I wrote a basic script to compute the number of emails per PEP. It
> requires to downloa
All,
My excuse if this is not the appropriate list for a question essentially
concerning the AIX port of Python.
The current port of Python for AIX includes composing an export file
(/lib/python2.7/config/python.exp) in which there are a number of functions
starting "Py_" or "_Py_".
The Vim p
On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 4:57 PM Jussi Judin wrote:
> Quick answer: undocumented billion laughs/exponential entity expansion
> type of an attack that is accessible through web through any library that
> uses fractions module to parse user input (that are actually available on
> Github).
>
Are you
On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 8:21 PM Matt Arcidy wrote:
> [...] Can anyone adequately explain why this specific modality of
> learning, a student-in-a-seat based educator, must outweigh all other
> modalities [...]?
1. It doesn't.
2. It's a proxy for the other modes.
I hope this was an adequate exp
On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 11:36 PM Tim Peters wrote:
> [Michael Selik]
> > My worry is that assignment expressions will add about 15 to 20
> > minutes to my class and a slight discomfort.
>
> So not intractable - which is my high-order bit ;-)
>
> For those who want more
On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 5:28 PM Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 01, 2018 at 08:35:08AM -0700, Michael Selik wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 12:39 AM Tim Peters wrote:
> >
> > > So, ya, when someone claims [assignment expressions will] make Python
> > &
On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 12:39 AM Tim Peters wrote:
> So, ya, when someone claims [assignment expressions will] make Python
> significantly harder to teach, I'm skeptical of that claim.
>
I don't believe anyone is making that claim. My worry is that assignment
expressions will add about 15 to 20 m
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