Re: [Python-Dev] Guarantee ordered dict literals in v3.7?

. For implementations (algorithm) I cannot foresee the future so I cannot tell if it will be a burden or not. Finally someone have to decide it. As long as OrderedDict is available for me to specify it explicit it will be fine. ;-) Regards, Wolfgang On 04.11.2017 18:30, Stefan Krah wrote: > >

Re: [Python-Dev] Guarantee ordered dict literals in v3.7?

and for other places it is useful. But making all dict's per default ordered is another level. Regards, Wolfgang ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Benchmarks: Comparison between Python 2.7 and Python 3.6 performance

On 05.11.2016 10:56, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Hi Victor, On Fri, 4 Nov 2016 13:53:10 +0100 Victor Stinner wrote: Raw results of Python 3.6 compared to Python 2.7: That's interesting, but I would be personally more interested in a performance comparison of 3.5 and

[Python-Dev] docs.python.org problem

Dear all, FYI, https://docs.python.org/3.6/ is currently pointing to the Python 3.7.0a0 documentation Best, Wolfgang ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https

[Python-Dev] sys.path file feature

the start to unify sys.path handling. And a good feature for redistribution of a Python interpreter without an installation. (Embedding, virtual environments, fat virtual environments, ...) Regards, Wolfgang ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 526 ready for review: Syntax for Variable and Attribute Annotations

the memory consumption? Regards, Wolfgang On 30.08.2016 23:20, Guido van Rossum wrote: > I'm happy to present PEP 526 for your collective review: > https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0526/ (HTML) > https://github.com/python/peps/blob/master/pep-0526.txt (source) > > There's also an

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 526 ready for review: Syntax for Variable and Attribute Annotations

the memory consumption? Regards, Wolfgang On 30.08.2016 23:20, Guido van Rossum wrote: > I'm happy to present PEP 526 for your collective review: > https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0526/ (HTML) > https://github.com/python/peps/blob/master/pep-0526.txt (source) > > There's also an

Re: [Python-Dev] Rewrite @contextlib.contextmanager in C

On 8/8/2016 22:38, Yury Selivanov wrote: On 2016-08-08 4:18 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: I think Nick would be interested in understanding why this is the case. What does the decorator do that could be so expensive? From the looks of it it doesn't do anything special. Although with

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 492: async/await in Python; version 4

client have to do this async and get it. Regards, Wolfgang ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

[Python-Dev] PEP 492: async/await in Python; version 4

. Don't get me wrong, I like async programming and I think it is very useful. But had to learn not everyone thinks so and most only want to solve there problems in an easy way and not get a new one called async. Now I shut up. Go to my normal mode and be quiet and read. ;-) Regards, Wolfgang

Re: [Python-Dev] async/await in Python; v2

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Yury Selivanov yselivanov...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Wolfgang, On 2015-04-23 8:27 AM, Wolfgang Langner wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Paul Sokolovsky pmis...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 12:18:51 +0300 Andrew Svetlov andrew.svet

Re: [Python-Dev] async/await in Python; v2

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Yury Selivanov yselivanov...@gmail.com wrote: Wolfgang, On 2015-04-23 12:12 PM, Wolfgang Langner wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Yury Selivanov yselivanov...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Wolfgang, On 2015-04-23 8:27 AM, Wolfgang Langner wrote: On Thu

Re: [Python-Dev] async/await in Python; v2

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Yury Selivanov yselivanov...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Wolfgang, On 2015-04-23 8:27 AM, Wolfgang Langner wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Paul Sokolovsky pmis...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 12:18:51 +0300 Andrew Svetlov andrew.svet

Re: [Python-Dev] Type hints -- a mediocre programmer's reaction

it is the wrong way for Python. Regards, Wolfgang ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] async/await in Python; v2

and defer it to 3.6 and some alpha releases to experiment with. Regards, Wolfgang On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Yury Selivanov yselivanov...@gmail.com wrote: Hi python-dev, I'm moving the discussion from python-ideas to here. The updated version of the PEP should be available shortly

Re: [Python-Dev] async/await in Python; v2

be first class. But all this should be done in a way a beginner can handle and not design this stuff for experts only. If we do this we scare away new people. This can be done step by step. No need to hurry. And finally we have stackless Python but explicit. ;-) -- bye by Wolfgang

Re: [Python-Dev] Type hints -- a mediocre programmer's reaction

Hello, On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Paul Sokolovsky pmis...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 10:43:52 +0200 Wolfgang Langner tds333+py...@gmail.com wrote: [] Also ask why no one used type specifier, they are possible since Python 3.0 ? Because it is the wrong way

Re: [Python-Dev] Improvements for Pathlib

(or rm_tree? Also, this would be required for the TmpDir path). I also often needed this. Thanks for bringing this up. Regards, Wolfgang ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe

[Python-Dev] Python 3.4, marshal dumps slower (version 3 protocol)

for the recursion detection so high ? Note this happens only if there is a tuple in the tuple of the datalist. Regards, Wolfgang ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4, marshal dumps slower (version 3 protocol)

files? This benchmark might suggest that version 2 is the best... Importlib just uses the default: http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/dbad4564cd12/Lib/importlib/_bootstrap.py#l671 -- bye by Wolfgang ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Make str/bytes hash algorithm pluggable?

Hi, I have found a link to a speed comparison of hash functions: http://code.google.com/p/xxhash/ Regards, Wolfgang ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https

Re: [Python-Dev] Binary Compatibility Issue with Python v2.6.5 and v3.1.2

. Possible solution is to not automatically build the manifest and use one with hard coded versions across one Python version 2.6.X. Regards Wolfgang ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Python developers are in demand

On 10/16/07, Wolfgang Langner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if we should start maintaining a list of Python developers for hire somewhere on python.org, beyond the existing Jobs page. Is anyone interested

[Python-Dev] Win64, 64 Bit Version and 32 Bit version parallel install not possible

) ? Or is it a bug ? Wolfgang ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Importing .pyc in -O mode and vice versa

Why not only import *.pyc files and no longer use *.pyo files. It is simpler to have one compiled python file extension. PYC files can contain optimized python byte code and normal byte code. -- bye by Wolfgang ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] User's complaints

it with: @main def whatever(): ... to mark this function as main function if module executed directly. -- bye by Wolfgang ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking for Memories of Python Old-Timers

PROTECTED]: How long have you used Python? 10 years or longer? Please tell us how you first heard of the language, how you first used it, and how you helped develop it (if you did). More recent reminiscences are welcome too! -- bye by Wolfgang

Re: [Python-Dev] Dropping __init__.py requirement for subpackages

/package. -- bye by Wolfgang ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] gmane.comp.python.devel.3000 has disappeared

. -- bye by Wolfgang ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assignedabug/patch

Hello, On 3/29/06, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/29/06, Wolfgang Langner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is a Java system. Why promote Java solutions for python ? I think there are good python solutions for a bug tracker and we should prefer them. ... Also, we're supposed

Re: [Python-Dev] pysqlite for 2.5?

for 2.6. -1 on db.sql.sqlite. Keep structure flat. Or we are eventually in a Java world with org.something.this.andthat -- bye by Wolfgang ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe

Re: [Python-Dev] Py3k: Except clause syntax

Hello, what about: try: something except NameError or OtherError as e: Only a thought. -- bye by Wolfgang ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org

[Python-Dev] Bug 1184112 still valid

present in current python or the 2.4 line ? I found nothing about it. -- bye by Wolfgang ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev

Re: [Python-Dev] C++ for CPython 3? (Re: str.count is slow)

don't use it. You get a lot of new problems and nearly not benefit. Better go to jython or consider the way of pypy. -- bye by Wolfgang ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http

Re: [Python-Dev] C++ for CPython 3? (Re: str.count is slow)

don't use it. You get a lot of new problems and nearly not benefit. Better go to jython or consider the way of pypy. -- bye by Wolfgang ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 8 updates/clarifications, function/method style

were added to std lib. Possible add a note to not forbid the use of cameCase in external libraries ? bye by Wolfgang ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 8 updates/clarifications

speaker. bye by Wolfgang ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 8 updates/clarifications, function/method style

. And it states as an example for external modules. As an example we can check if ElementTree matches this. g For Python 3 it's possible to switch to this consistent style. For a new and better world. bye by Wolfgang ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev

[Python-Dev] PEP 8 updates/clarifications, function/method style

this (Java, C#, C++, ...) bye by Wolfgang ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 8 updates/clarifications, function/method style

Hi, Michael Hoffman wrote: [Wolfgang] Or should we switch to camelCase with lowercase first letter ? As most other Languages prefer this (Java, C#, C++, ...) They also use curly braces instead of indentation to indicate block structure. Maybe we should switch to that too. wink Or BEGIN

Re: [Python-Dev] Conversion to Subversion is complete

. But why is an old subversion used ? (Powered by Subversion version 1.1.4) bye by Wolfgang ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python

Re: [Python-Dev] os.path.diff(path1, path2)

On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 02:55:56 +0200, Greg Ewing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both of these happen to involve pathnames that exist on the currrently available file system, but I can easily imagine cases where that would not be so. E.g. I might be generating pathames to go into a tar file that will

Re: [Python-Dev] setdefault's second argument

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:14:55 +0200, Tim Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: d = {} d.setdefault(666) d {666: None} just doesn't seem useful. In fact, it's so silly that someone calling setdefault with just one arg seems far more likely to have a bug in their code than to get an outcome they

Re: [Python-Dev] Remove str.find in 3.0?

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:54:12 +0200, Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: with choice 1a): dict.get returns None if the key is not found, even though None could also be the value for the key. that's a bug! i had to *test* it to find out it's true! i've been writing code for *years* all in

Re: [Python-Dev] Remove str.find in 3.0?

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 12:35:30 +0200, Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. Emphasis mine :-) no, emphasis all **mine** :-) just to reflect i never expected .get() to work that way (return an unsolicited None) -- i do consider this behavior harmful and suggest it be removed. _wolf

Re: [Python-Dev] Remove str.find in 3.0?

kay, your suggestion makes perfect sense for me, i haven't actually tried the examples tho. guess there could be a find() or index() or indices() or iterIndices() ??? function 'f' roughly with these arguments: def f( x, element, start = 0, stop = None, default = _Misfit, maxcount = None,

Re: [Python-Dev] Remove str.find in 3.0?

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:46:07 +0200, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/27/05, Wolfgang Lipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i never expected .get() to work that way (return an unsolicited None) -- i do consider this behavior harmful and suggest it be removed. That's a bizarre

Re: [Python-Dev] Revised PEP 349: Allow str() to return unicode strings

just tested the proposed implementation on a unicode-naive module basically using import sys import __builtin__ reload( sys ); sys.setdefaultencoding( 'utf-8' ) __builtin__.__dict__[ 'str' ] = new_str_function et voilà, str() calls in the module are rewritten, and print u'düsseldorf'

Re: [Python-Dev] Revised PEP 349: Allow str() to return unicode strings

i have to revise my last posting -- exporting the new ``str`` pure-python implementation breaks -- of course! -- as soon as ``isinstance(x,str)`` [sic] is used. right now it breaks because you can't have a function as the second argument of ``isinstance()``, but even if that could be avoided by

[Python-Dev] Re: [maintenance doc updates]

will only remind this not criticise. bye by Wolfgang ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com