[Python-Dev] Re: Increase of Spammy PRs and PR reviews

2022-01-31 Thread Brian Curtin
are 10% each. On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 9:40 AM Guido van Rossum wrote: > Where does it say that a review gives you points? The GitHub blog post I > saw about the subject only mentions commits. > > On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 8:16 AM Brian Curtin wrote: > >> On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at

[Python-Dev] Re: Increase of Spammy PRs and PR reviews

2022-01-31 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 8:42 AM Mats Wichmann wrote: > On 1/30/22 04:45, Inada Naoki wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 7:37 PM Irit Katriel > wrote: > > > Some people may do "approval without review" to make their "Profile" > > page richer, because GitHub counts it as a contribution. > > Creati

[Python-Dev] Re: Stale PR

2021-07-06 Thread Brian Curtin
Before looking at the code, my first question would be about the description: "I kinda ran out of time, i suspect more testing is due." If you were out of time then it's probably not done and maybe lacks the tests you initially thought it did, so did you find the time and/or is the PR done? On Tu

[Python-Dev] Re: Is the Python review process flawed?

2021-06-29 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 10:38 AM wrote: > I just stumbled upon the following issue and subsequent pull request. It > is a very small bugfix. There is currently a bug in Python and this pull > request fixes it. It's not a new feature or an enhancement, it is a bugfix! > Yet, it doesn't get reviewe

[Python-Dev] Re: Steering Council reply regarding conduct (was Re: Steering Council update for February)

2021-03-25 Thread Brian Herman
Maybe we can change the discussion to something more productive like the python module system or anything else? ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailma

[Python-Dev] Re: Steering Council update for February

2021-03-09 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 17:54 Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:47 AM Damian Shaw > wrote: > > > > > Does 'master' confuse people? > > > > There's a general movement to replace language from common programming > practises that derive from, or are associated with, the dehumanizati

[Python-Dev] Re: Advantages of pattern matching - a simple comparative analysis

2020-11-24 Thread Brian Coleman
David Mertz wrote: > On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:02 PM Brian Coleman brianfcole...@gmail.com > wrote: > > Basically, I > > agree matching/destructuring is a powerful idea. But I also > > wonder how much genuinely better it is than a library that does not > > requi

[Python-Dev] Re: Advantages of pattern matching - a simple comparative analysis

2020-11-23 Thread Brian Coleman
David Mertz wrote: > On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:02 PM Brian Coleman brianfcole...@gmail.com > wrote: > > Basically, I > > agree matching/destructuring is a powerful idea. But I also > > wonder how much genuinely better it is than a library that does not > > requi

[Python-Dev] Re: Advantages of pattern matching - a simple comparative analysis

2020-11-23 Thread Brian Coleman
David Mertz wrote: > I have a little bit of skepticism about the pattern matching syntax, for > similar reasons to those Larry expresses, and that Steve Dower mentioned on > Discourse. > Basically, I agree matching/destructuring is a powerful idea. But I also > wonder how much genuinely better it

[Python-Dev] Re: Advantages of pattern matching - a simple comparative analysis

2020-11-23 Thread Brian Coleman
Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 16:15:12 - > "Brian Coleman" brianfcole...@gmail.com > wrote: > > Furthermore, Python has a regular expression module > > which implements it's own DSL for the purpose of matching string patterns. > > Re

[Python-Dev] Re: Advantages of pattern matching - a simple comparative analysis

2020-11-23 Thread Brian Coleman
Larry Hastings wrote: > On 11/23/20 8:15 AM, Brian Coleman wrote: > > def process(root_node: Node): > > def process_node(node: Node): > > if isinstance(node, StringNode): > > return node.value > > elif isinstance(node, NumberNod

[Python-Dev] Advantages of pattern matching - a simple comparative analysis

2020-11-23 Thread Brian Coleman
Take as an example a function designed to process a tree of nodes similar to that which might be output by a JSON parser. There are 4 types of node: - A node representing JSON strings - A node representing JSON numbers - A node representing JSON arrays - A node representing JSON dictionaries The

[Python-Dev] Re: Words rather than sigils in Structural Pattern Matching

2020-11-23 Thread Brian Coleman
Greg Ewing wrote: > On 23/11/20 7:49 am, Daniel Moisset wrote: > > Look at the following (non-pattern-matching) > > snippet: > > event = datetime.date(x, month=y, day=z) > > > > The only names that are treated as lvalues there are to the left > of an '='. The rules are a lot simpler. > One of the

[Python-Dev] Re: The semantics of pattern matching for Python

2020-11-22 Thread Brian Coleman
Regarding the difficulty which some people have respecting class patterns and dictionary patterns, I would like to draw attention to a similar feature in JavaScript, object destructuring. JavaScript does not have pattern matching but object destructuring is closely related. Take the example of a

[Python-Dev] Re: Python Documentation, Python language improvement, and productive discussion

2020-10-09 Thread Brian Curtin
Hey Team, Has this workgroup started yet? If not, can I help get it going, or if so, is there a mailing list or place where things are happening? Brian Curtin On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 12:58 Carol Willing wrote: > Hi folks, > > Thanks for the interest. I apologize for the delay in get

[Python-Dev] Re: Thank you Larry Hastings!

2020-10-05 Thread Brian Ray
Well done Larry! so long and thanks for all the Pythons. -- Brian Ray brian-ray.me <https://brian-ray.me/?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=edit_panel&utm_content=thumb> ᐧ ___ Python-Dev mail

[Python-Dev] Re: [RELEASE] Python 2.7.18, the end of an era

2020-04-21 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 7:31 AM Larry Hastings wrote: > On 4/20/20 8:06 AM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > > I'm eudaemonic to announce the immediate availability of Python 2.7.18. [...] > Over all those years, CPython's core developers and contributors sedulously > applied bug fixes to the 2.7 bra

[Python-Dev] Re: 3.10 or 4.0?

2019-11-28 Thread Brian Skinn
I've appreciated Anthony Sottile's flake8-2020 plugin (https://pypi.org/project/flake8-2020/), which adds checks for a variety of misuses of sys.version and sys.version_info that would lead to breakage on a Python 4.0, and/or 10.0, in addition to Python 3.10.

[Python-Dev] Re: The Python 2 death march

2019-09-09 Thread brian . skinn
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[Python-Dev] Re: Inline links in Misc/NEWS entries

2019-08-19 Thread brian . skinn
Citing from the current (19 Aug 2019) version of this PR (https://github.com/python/devguide/pull/525/files#diff-50cb76bbe8ae3fcd4170dc6e8d9d6b3fR225-R226): > Before using any Sphinx roles, ensure that a corresponding entry exists > within the documentation. At the risk of crass self-promotion,

[Python-Dev] Re: What to do about invalid escape sequences

2019-08-09 Thread brian . skinn
Nathaniel Smith wrote: > Unfortunately, their solution isn't a pytest incantation, it's a > separate 'compileall' invocation they run on their source tree. I'm > not sure how you'd convert this into a pytest feature, because I don't > think pytest always know which parts of your code are your code

[Python-Dev] Re: What to do about invalid escape sequences

2019-08-09 Thread brian . skinn
Eric V. Smith wrote: > Hopefully the warnings in 3.9 would be more visible that what we saw in > 3.7, so that library authors can take notice and do something about it > before 3.10 rolls around. > Eric Apologies for the ~double-post on the thread, but: the SymPy team has figured out the right

[Python-Dev] Re: What to do about invalid escape sequences

2019-08-09 Thread brian . skinn
> This whole thread would be an excellent justification for following 3.9 > with 4.0. It's as near as we ever want to get to a breaking change, and a > major version number would indicate the need to review. If increasing > strictness of escape code interpretation in string literals is the only > i

[Python-Dev] Re: What to do about invalid escape sequences

2019-08-07 Thread brian . skinn
Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Because our processes don't work the way we assumed, it turns out that > in practice we haven't given developers the deprecation period we > thought we had. Read Nathaniel's post, if you haven't already done so: > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.o

[Python-Dev] Re: strip behavior provides inconsistent results with certain strings

2019-07-02 Thread brian . skinn
as an example of a particular transformation of interest, it would be achieved with something like s.replace(".htm", ".html", only_end=True). -Brian ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe sen

[Python-Dev] Re: strip behavior provides inconsistent results with certain strings

2019-07-02 Thread Brian Skinn
thing like s.replace(".htm", ".html", only_end=True). -Brian -- > > Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 14:33:57 +1000 > From: Chris Angelico > Subject: [Python-Dev] Re: strip behavior provides inconsistent r

[Python-Dev] VxWorks and Python

2019-03-28 Thread Kuhl, Brian
+bpo-31904 and generally improve Cpython. Wind River operates globally so don't let you location dissuade you. Many thanks for all your help, Brian ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/p

Re: [Python-Dev] Can I submit more support of standard library for VxWorks after 3.8.0 beta1?

2019-03-19 Thread Kuhl, Brian
off list, Brian dot Kuhl at Wind River dot com. Brian From: Python-Dev [mailto:python-dev-bounces+brian.kuhl=windriver@python.org] On Behalf Of Victor Stinner Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 1:40 PM To: Xin, Peixing Cc: python-dev@python.org Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] Can I submit more support

Re: [Python-Dev] Testing cross-compiled python (windows arm32) from build bot

2019-03-18 Thread Kuhl, Brian
aming that little change though? CPython's buildbot is actually easier than most to open source test suites to adapt to cross compile, because everything is run in python after the build, so you only have to make one switch in context. Brian > -Original Message- >

Re: [Python-Dev] VxWorks and cpython?

2019-01-10 Thread Kuhl, Brian
PPC and IA with both a 32bit and 64 bit build? We have a bit of chicken and egg problem right now, a buildbot will always fail until there's some basic VxWorks support added. Do we set them up, and just let them fail, till enough PRs are accepted to make it build? Brian > -

[Python-Dev] FW: VxWorks and cpython?

2019-01-09 Thread Kuhl, Brian
From: Guido van Rossum [mailto:gu...@python.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2019 11:52 AM To: Kuhl, Brian Cc: python-dev@python.org Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] VxWorks and cpython? Hi Brian, I am glad that this is happening! I don't think you need a PEP to motivate your request -- howeve

[Python-Dev] VxWorks and cpython?

2019-01-09 Thread Kuhl, Brian
Hi Python Developers, I'm Brian Kuhl, I've spent about 28 years working with embedded software. Since 2000 I've worked for Wind River. I'm currently a manager of documentation and customer training in our Ottawa, Canada office. Throughout my career I've had an in

Re: [Python-Dev] Helping with Documentation

2018-10-29 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 9:36 AM Kenneth Reitz wrote: > Hello all, > > > > I’d like to become a core contributor to Python, by contributing polish to > its documentation (adding missing pieces, modernize it a bit in spots, add > more usage examples (itertools), etc). > > > > Is anyone already work

Re: [Python-Dev] Dealing with tone in an email

2018-05-03 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 2:45 PM Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev < python-dev@python.org> wrote: > On 03.05.2018 21:31, Brett Cannon wrote: > > > > On Thu, 3 May 2018 at 01:27 Paul Moore wrote: > >> On 3 May 2018 at 03:26, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> >> >> Will all due respect, it's sometimes unpredicta

Re: [Python-Dev] Drop/deprecate Tkinter?

2018-05-02 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 5:37 PM Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Wed, 2 May 2018 23:28:22 +0200 > Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > On Wed, 02 May 2018 21:24:07 +0000 > > Brian Curtin wrote: > > > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 16:55 Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev < > > > python-

Re: [Python-Dev] Drop/deprecate Tkinter?

2018-05-02 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 16:55 Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev < python-dev@python.org> wrote: > As https://bugs.python.org/issue33257 and > https://bugs.python.org/issue33316 showed, Tkinter is broken, for both > Py2 and Py3, with both threaded and non-threaded Tcl, since 2002 at > least, and no-one gi

Re: [Python-Dev] Why is Python for Windows compiled with MSVC?

2018-02-01 Thread Brian Curtin
uestion on this list—it ultimately turns into a matter of how much the solution is wanted and how much effort people are willing to give to make it happen. Historically, the former has had small amounts, and the latter has had much smaller amounts. Without a change there I don't think one wil

Re: [Python-Dev] [edk2] Official port of Python on EDK2

2017-11-01 Thread Richardson, Brian
guidelines for TianoCore and let me know if you have any questions. http://www.tianocore.org/contrib/ Thanks ... br --- Brian Richardson, Senior Technical Marketing Engineer, Intel Software brian.richard...@intel.com -- @intel_brian (Twitter & WeChat) https://software.intel.com/en-us/meet-the-develo

Re: [Python-Dev] Reorganize Python categories (Core, Library, ...)?

2017-10-04 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: > Hi, > > Python uses a few categories to group bugs (on bugs.python.org) and > NEWS entries (in the Python changelog). List used by the blurb tool: > > #.. section: Security > #.. section: Core and Builtins > #.. section: Library > #.. sectio

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 553: Built-in debug()

2017-09-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > IIRC they indeed insinuate debug() into the builtins. My suggestion is > also breakpoint(). > I'm also a bigger fan of the `breakpoint` name. `debug` as a name is already pretty widely used, plus breakpoint is more specific in naming wha

Re: [Python-Dev] Exact date of Python 2 EOL?

2017-03-23 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Mar 23, 2017, at 09:41 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: > >>Can we pick an official date? > > Benjamin should pick the date and update PEP 373. Not to start a bikeshed (calendarshed?), but how about 8 February 2020, or 2/8 as some in the US woul

Re: [Python-Dev] Top python roles

2017-02-03 Thread Brian Curtin
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Re: [Python-Dev] I hope this won't be my last comment here ~ yet it may well be...

2016-04-21 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thursday, April 21, 2016, Burkhard Meier wrote: > Please do allow me to share my humble experiences of being a software > professional on a Windows platform. > > Almost 20 years. > > You know what; when I tried out 'sugar Linux' or Peppermint,,,the "admin' > dude kicked me out 5 times in one s

Re: [Python-Dev] The next major Python version will be Python 8

2016-03-31 Thread Brian Cain
is already effective in the default branch of Python: > https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/9aedec2dbc01 > > Have fun, > Victor > ___ > Python-Dev mailing list > Python-Dev@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev &g

[Python-Dev] [ANNOUNCE] fuzzpy

2016-02-28 Thread Brian Cain
onations to purchase cycles on a cloud server. ## -- -Brian ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

[Python-Dev] Benchmark results across all major Python implementations

2015-11-16 Thread Brian Curtin
On Monday, November 16, 2015, Brett Cannon > wrote: > > > On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 at 12:24 Maciej Fijalkowski wrote: > >> Hi Brett >> >> Any thoughts on improving the benchmark set (I think all of >> {cpython,pypy,pyston} introduced new benchmarks to the set). >> > > We should probably start a mailin

[Python-Dev] Benchmark results across all major Python implementations

2015-11-16 Thread Brian Curtin
On Monday, November 16, 2015, Brett Cannon > wrote: > > > On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 at 12:24 Maciej Fijalkowski wrote: > >> Hi Brett >> >> Any thoughts on improving the benchmark set (I think all of >> {cpython,pypy,pyston} introduced new benchmarks to the set). >> > > We should probably start a mailin

[Python-Dev] PEP 506 secrets module

2015-10-17 Thread Brian Gladman
> Guido van Rossum wrote: > I'm fine with dropping the 3rd arg. But I find the argument to > introduce a new spelling for 1-arg randrange() weak. I should stress that my preference for randbelow over randrange was based purely on their proposed functionality and not on their names. I do however

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 506 secrets module

2015-10-17 Thread Brian Gladman
ne. I would oppose offering randomrange (or offering more than one of them) since this will pretty well guarantee that, sooner or later, someone will make a mistake in using the extra functionality and possibly deploy an insecure application as a result

Re: [Python-Dev] Washington DC Python sprint report

2015-09-28 Thread Brian Ray
meant: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/group-organizers/2015-September/000441.html ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/arc

Re: [Python-Dev] Washington DC Python sprint report

2015-09-28 Thread Brian Ray
edback. Post found here: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/group-organizers/2015-September/000441.htm Regards, Brian Ray ChiPy organizer ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe:

Re: [Python-Dev] A quick word on top posting

2015-07-20 Thread Brian Curtin
On Monday, July 20, 2015, Emile van Sebille wrote: > Your +infinity could have easily been top posted -- particularly when > there's no in-line comments that require context. > > just-because-I'm-on-what-feels-like-a-300-baud-connection-ly yr's, > > Emile > > > On 7/19/2015 2:16 PM, Mark Lawrence

Re: [Python-Dev] Single-file Python executables (was: Computed Goto dispatch for Python 2)

2015-05-28 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > I'm confused: > > Doesn't py2exe (optionally) create a single file executable? > > And py2app on the Mac creates an application bundle, but that is > more-or-less the equivalent on OS-X (you may not even be able to have a > single file execut

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-03 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Paul Moore wrote: > On 3 April 2015 at 10:56, Larry Hastings wrote: >> My Windows development days are firmly behind me. So I don't really have an >> opinion here. So I put it to you, Windows Python developers: do you care >> about GnuPG signatures on Windows-spe

Re: [Python-Dev] version of freshly built 2.7 python

2015-04-02 Thread Brian Curtin
changeset: 90450:1beb3e0507fa > branch: 2.7 > parent: 90434:b428b803f71f > user:Zachary Ware > date:Thu Apr 24 13:20:27 2014 -0500 > files: Lib/test/test_itertools.py > description: > Issue #21346: Fix typos in test_itertools.

Re: [Python-Dev] pep 7

2015-03-20 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 10:57 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > Neil, you have no idea. Please back off. I wouldn't go that far. Wanting a quality code base certainly isn't a bad thing, but there's a lot more progress to be made by working with what's there and being as mindful as possible of the gui

Re: [Python-Dev] pep 7

2015-03-20 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Neil Girdhar wrote: > The code reviews I got asked me to revert PEP 7 changes. I can understand > that, but then logically someone should go ahead and clean up the code. > It's not "high risk" if you just check for whitespace equivalence of the > source code and

Re: [Python-Dev] pep 7

2015-03-20 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Neil Girdhar wrote: > If ever someone wants to clean up the repository to conform to PEP 7, I > wrote a program that catches a couple hundred PEP 7 violations in ./Python > alone (1400 in the whole codebase): > > import os > import re > > def grep(path, regex): >

Re: [Python-Dev] Why does pip upgrade to a random version?

2015-02-04 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Martin Thoma wrote: > Could somebody please have a look at the following SO question? It seems as > if I might have found a bug in pip: > http://stackoverflow.com/q/28282671/562769 > > TL;DR of the SO question: > I executed `$ sudo pip install hwrt --upgrade` mutipl

Re: [Python-Dev] development

2015-01-28 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wednesday, January 28, 2015, Alan Armour wrote: > can you guys develop an audio kit that works around jackd or on windows > directx? and tutorials to write synthesizers. and drum machines like a > tr-606 with triggers ( I want to trigger a drum synth like the March > UDS(Soviet) Coolest d

Re: [Python-Dev] Compile Python on Windows (OpenSSL)

2015-01-13 Thread Brian Curtin
talled. I understood that > "Ultimate" includes a *lot* of things, not only a C compiler. > > I found a "free" Visual Studio which is in fact Visual Studio 2013 > Community and I read that it's not free. > > I sent an email to Brian Curtin to ask to renew

Re: [Python-Dev] Compile Python on Windows (OpenSSL)

2015-01-13 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: > Hi, > > To compile Python on Windows, there are a few information in the > Developer Guide: > https://docs.python.org/devguide/setup.html#windows-compiling > > Python 3.5 now requires Visual Studio 2010 *SP1*, or newer Visual Studio: > http:

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-16 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Skip Montanaro wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> >> IMO, you should consider forking your library code for Python2 and >> Python3. > > > I don't get the idea that Brett Cannon agrees with you: > > http://nothingbutsnark.svbtle.co

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

2014-11-23 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 08:55:50AM -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote: > >> But I strongly believe that if we want to do the right thing for the >> long term, we should switch to GitHub. > > Encouraging a software, or social, monopoly is never t

Re: [Python-Dev] [IPython-User] proper animation in notebook?

2014-10-13 Thread Brian Blais
oing. I think the figures are being generated, cleared in the notebook, but still existing somehow in the background. Is there a way to determine if this is happening? Is there a proper way to write the animation to avoid this? thanks! Brian Blais ---

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of C compilers for Python on Windows

2014-10-10 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: > Hi, > > Windows is not the primary target of Python developers, probably > because most of them work on Linux. Official Python binaries are > currently built by Microsoft Visual Studio. Even if Python developers > get free licenses thanks for

[Python-Dev] Idea to support lazy loaded names.

2014-10-06 Thread Brian Allen Vanderburg II
veloper) can then perform an import as follows: from miniframework import Application instead of: from miniframework.app import Application This allows the public api be be cleaner, while still being efficient by not loading all modules in __init__.py until the v

Re: [Python-Dev] Sad status of Python 3.x buildbots

2014-09-02 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > On 3 Sep 2014 08:15, "Victor Stinner" wrote: > > > > x86 RHEL 6 3.x: TestReadline.test_init() fails, issue #19884. I don't > > have to this platform, I don't know how to fix it. > > Sorry, I haven't been a very good maintainer for that buil

Re: [Python-Dev] Bluetooth 4.0 support in "socket" module

2014-07-14 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote: > On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Tim Tisdall wrote: > > Is there some online documentation with guidelines on how to contribute? > > http://lmgtfy.com/?q=contribute+to+python This response is unacceptable. Tim: check out https://docs.p

Re: [Python-Dev] subprocess shell=True on Windows doesn't escape ^ character

2014-06-11 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: > On 06/11/2014 07:12 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> >>> ISTM what you want is not shell=True, but a separate function that >>> follows the system policy for translating a command nam

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving Python 3.5 on Windows to a new compiler

2014-06-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Jun 6, 2014 6:33 PM, "Sturla Molden" wrote: > > Brian Curtin wrote: > > > Well we're certainly not going to assume such a thing. I know people do > > that, but many don't (I never have). > > If Python 2.7 users are left with a dead compiler on Wi

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving Python 3.5 on Windows to a new compiler

2014-06-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Jun 6, 2014 6:01 PM, "Sturla Molden" wrote: > > Brian Curtin wrote: > > > Adding features into 3.x is already not enough of a carrot on the > > stick for many users. Intentionally leaving 2.7 on a dead compiler is > > like beating them with the stick. >

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving Python 3.5 on Windows to a new compiler

2014-06-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 11:42 PM, wrote: > On Sat, Jun 07, 2014 at 05:33:45AM +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> > Is it really any difference in maintenance if you just stop applying >> > updates to 2.7 and switch to 2.8? If 2.8 is really just 2.7 with a >> > new compiler then there should be no f

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving Python 3.5 on Windows to a new compiler

2014-06-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Donald Stufft wrote: > > On Jun 6, 2014, at 3:04 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 10:56 PM, wrote: >>> On Fri, Jun 06, 2014 at 10:49:24PM +0400, Brian Curtin wrote: >>> >>>> None of the options a

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving Python 3.5 on Windows to a new compiler

2014-06-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 10:56 PM, wrote: > On Fri, Jun 06, 2014 at 10:49:24PM +0400, Brian Curtin wrote: > >> None of the options are particularly good, but yes, I think that's an >> option we have to consider. We're supporting 2.7.x for 6 more years on >> a co

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving Python 3.5 on Windows to a new compiler

2014-06-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 10:41 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > On 06.06.2014 20:25, Brian Curtin wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 4:12 AM, Steve Dower >>> wrote: >>>> Chris Angelico wrote: >>&g

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving Python 3.5 on Windows to a new compiler

2014-06-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 4:12 AM, Steve Dower wrote: >> Chris Angelico wrote: >>> On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 1:41 AM, Steve Dower >>> wrote: What this means for Python is that C extensions for Python 3.5 and later can be built using

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving Python 3.5 on Windows to a new compiler

2014-06-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Zachary Ware wrote: > On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Steve Dower > wrote: >> Thoughts/comments/concerns? > > My only concern is support for elderly versions of Windows, in > particular: XP. I seem to recall the last "let's update our MSVC > version" discussion

Re: [Python-Dev] Download Counts (was: Language Summit notes)

2014-05-28 Thread Brian Curtin
On May 28, 2014 4:06 PM, "Eli Bendersky" wrote: > > > > > On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: >> >> Is the Windows/Mac ratio still 70/30, with Linux in the single digits? >> > > Most Linux installs go through package managers which don't count here, no? I'll have to run som

Re: [Python-Dev] Download Counts (was: Language Summit notes)

2014-05-28 Thread Brian Curtin
On May 28, 2014 12:49 PM, "Brian Curtin" wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > I don't think we have recent download numbers since the Website > > overhaul (do we?), but Python 3 isn't an "experimental concept > > l

[Python-Dev] Download Counts (was: Language Summit notes)

2014-05-28 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > I don't think we have recent download numbers since the Website > overhaul (do we?), but Python 3 isn't an "experimental concept > language" anymore (it hasn't been since 3.3 or 3.2, I'd say). Using the old logs, which are still good throug

Re: [Python-Dev] Questions regarding Windows buildbots

2014-05-12 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Claudiu Popa wrote: > Hello! > > I'm working on a patch for issue bugs.python.org/issue8579 (Add > missing tests for FlushKey, LoadKey, and SaveKey in winreg). This > issue requires the SeBackupPrivilege in order to use LoadKey and > SaveKey. While acquiring the pr

Re: [Python-Dev] Tix version needed to build 2.7 Windows installer?

2014-05-10 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Zachary Ware wrote: > On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Zachary Ware > wrote: >> I updated the 2.7 buildbot scripts to pull in Tcl/Tk 8.5.15 a couple >> of weeks ago (see http://bugs.python.org/issue21303), but hadn't >> gotten anything done with Tix yet. It should

[Python-Dev] Tix version needed to build 2.7 Windows installer?

2014-05-08 Thread Brian Curtin
This is mostly a question for Martin, but perhaps someone else would also know. I'm trying to build the 2.7 installers so I can backport the path option from 3.3, but I can't seem to figure out which version of Tix is necessary to have a complete build. So far any of them on http://svn.python.org/

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.7.7. on Windows

2014-04-28 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Steve Dower wrote: >> Mike Miller wrote: >> On 04/29/2014 05:12 AM, Steve Dower wrote: >>> This would be an incredibly painful change that would surprise and >>> hurt a lot of people. >> >> Hi, I think "incredibly painful" is overstating the case a bit. ;) We're >

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.7.7. on Windows

2014-04-28 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > > On 04/29/2014 05:12 AM, Steve Dower wrote: >> >> This would be an incredibly painful change that would surprise and hurt a >> lot of >> people. > > > Hi, I think "incredibly painful" is overstating the case a bit. ;) We're > talking about an

Re: [Python-Dev] Whats New in 3.4 is pretty much done...

2014-03-13 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 3/13/2014 7:34 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >> >> Christian Heimes writes: >> >> > But I don't want it to sound like an advert... Suggestions? >> >> Not to worry. It *can't* be an advert -- it's all true, and there are >> no irrelevant

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 4: don't remove anything, don't break backward compatibility

2014-03-10 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: > For example, I propose to release the next major Python version (3.5) > with the version 4.0 but without removing anything. People put a lot of weight behind version numbers, often much more than they should. Jumping to 4.0 would be a PR ni

Re: [Python-Dev] Getting Introduced with the Community and Looking forward to Contribute to the Project as part of Gsoc 2014

2014-02-09 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Nitika wrote: > I had got myself aware of the source to some extent and had forked on my > github account. The python source isn't forked in your github. A Github mirror of the Mercurial repository (hg.python.org) is available at https://github.com/python/cpython

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: [python-tulip] Need help to finish asyncio documentation

2014-02-08 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 6:00 PM, MRAB wrote: > On 2014-02-08 23:32, Guido van Rossum wrote: >> >> We could really use more help reviewing and finishing asyncio's docs! >> > Some spelling mistakes: > > http://docs.python.org/dev/library/asyncio.html > mimicks > > http://docs.python.org/dev/library/a

Re: [Python-Dev] str.rreplace

2014-01-24 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 24/01/2014 22:44, Brian Curtin wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Mark Lawrence >> wrote: >>> >>> On 24/01/2014 17:19, Ram Rachum wrote: >>>> >>>> >>

Re: [Python-Dev] str.rreplace

2014-01-24 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 24/01/2014 17:19, Ram Rachum wrote: >> >> Hmm, on one hand I understand the need for the separation between >> python-dev and python-list, but on the other hand I don't think >> python-list is a good place to discuss Python, the language.

Re: [Python-Dev] Enable Hostname and Certificate Chain Validation

2014-01-22 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 12:10 PM, John Yeuk Hon Wong wrote: > On 1/22/14 8:16 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> >> Which is exactly the way most non-web-specialists working inside the >> comfort of corporate and academic firewalls will react to a change that >> breaks their access to internal application

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.x vs 3.x survey results

2014-01-05 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote: > On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 5:20 AM, John Yeuk Hon Wong > wrote: >> I think it helps Luca and many others (including myself) if there is a >> reference of the difference between 2.7 and Python 3.3+. > > Not specifically for 2.7 and 3.3, no. This

Re: [Python-Dev] Running the unit test as root/administrator

2013-12-04 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Ryan Gonzalez wrote: > Just don't run it on Windows... > Not helpful. I'm in meetings/training/traveling all week, but I'll get another Windows build slave up within the next few days. I used to have a spare desktop box that ran a build slave as admin so it would

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 0404 and VS 2010

2013-11-20 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Christian Tismer wrote: > Hey Barry, > > > On 20.11.13 23:30, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> >> On Nov 20, 2013, at 09:52 PM, Christian Tismer wrote: >> >>> Many customers are forced to stick with Python 2.X because of other >>> products, >>> but they require a Python 2.X

Re: [Python-Dev] NTPath or WindowsPath?

2013-11-17 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: > 16.11.13 21:15, Antoine Pitrou написав(ла): > >> In a (private) discussion about PEP 428 and pathlib, Guido proposed >> that maybe NTPath should be renamed to WindowsPath, since the name is >> more likely to stay relevant in the middle ter

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython (2.7): Issue #XXXXX: Fix test_idle so that idlelib test cases are actually run

2013-11-03 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 11/3/2013 11:48 PM, terry.reedy wrote: >> >> http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/cced7981ec4d >> changeset: 86908:cced7981ec4d >> branch: 2.7 >> user:Terry Jan Reedy >> date:Sun Nov 03 23:37:54 2013 -0500 >> summary: >>

Re: [Python-Dev] Support for marking limited API elements in C API docs

2013-10-12 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: > 12.10.13 22:56, Antoine Pitrou написав(ла): > >> On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 21:19:16 +0200 >> Georg Brandl wrote: >>> >>> Am 12.10.2013 20:20, schrieb Serhiy Storchaka: 12.10.13 21:04, Georg Brandl написав(ла): > > in light of

Re: [Python-Dev] when to fix cross-version bugs?

2013-09-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Ethan Furman wrote: > I recently committed a fix for unicodeobject.c so that the %d, %i, and %u > format specifiers always output values (otherwise, in subclasses, the str() > was used instead). > > Should this be fixed in 3.3 as well? > > What guidelines determine

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