Antoine Pitrou writes:
> We could proceed by consensus: the PEP author publicly proposes a PEP
> delegate, and if no core developer opposes, that person is officially
> accepted as delegate.
I think this is too decentralized. I think there should be enthusiasm
for the delegate, say two
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 09:05:52 -0700
Brett Cannon wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 at 07:47 Terry Reedy wrote:
>
> > On 8/1/2018 6:17 AM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote:
> > > On 2018-07-31 11:12, INADA Naoki wrote:
> > >> Any PEP won't be accepted in few month, because we don't have flow to
> > >> accept
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 at 07:47 Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 8/1/2018 6:17 AM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote:
> > On 2018-07-31 11:12, INADA Naoki wrote:
> >> Any PEP won't be accepted in few month, because we don't have flow to
> >> accept PEPs for now.
> >
> > Is that certain? I haven't been following the
On 8/1/2018 6:17 AM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote:
On 2018-07-31 11:12, INADA Naoki wrote:
Any PEP won't be accepted in few month, because we don't have flow to
accept PEPs for now.
Is that certain? I haven't been following the process discussions, so
I'm just asking the question. For example, given
On 2018-07-31 11:12, INADA Naoki wrote:
Any PEP won't be accepted in few month, because we don't have flow to
accept PEPs for now.
Is that certain? I haven't been following the process discussions, so
I'm just asking the question. For example, given that you are already
looking at PEP 580,
On 2018-07-31 10:07, Jeroen Demeyer wrote:
On 2018-07-31 09:36, INADA Naoki wrote:
[snip]
I would like to stress that PEP 580 was designed for maximum
performance, both today and for future extensions (such as calling with
native C types).
I don't know what the word *stress* mean here.
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 9:55 PM Jeroen Demeyer wrote:
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> On 2018-07-31 12:10, INADA Naoki wrote:
> > Surely, they should understand they must use CCALL_* flags instead of
> > METH_* flags when implementing fast-callable object.
>
> Yes indeed. But implementing a fast-callable object is quite
>
On 2018-07-31 12:10, INADA Naoki wrote:
After spent several days to read PEP 580 and your implementation, I think
I can implement it. I think it's not easy, but it's not impossible too.
The signature of "extended_call_ptr" in PEP 576 is almost the same as
the signature of a
On 2018-07-31 12:10, INADA Naoki wrote:
Surely, they should understand they must use CCALL_* flags instead of
METH_* flags when implementing fast-callable object.
Yes indeed. But implementing a fast-callable object is quite
specialized, not something that ordinary extension writers would care
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 7:27 PM Antoine Pitrou wrote:
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> On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 19:10:48 +0900
> INADA Naoki wrote:
> >
> > I said "So PEP 576/580 are needed only when implementing callable object".
> > I showed example "functools.partial or functools.lru_cache".
> >
> > Using FASTCALL for
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 19:10:48 +0900
INADA Naoki wrote:
>
> I said "So PEP 576/580 are needed only when implementing callable object".
> I showed example "functools.partial or functools.lru_cache".
>
> Using FASTCALL for callable object, instead of tp_call is one of important
> goal
> of PEP 576
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 6:14 PM Jeroen Demeyer wrote:
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> On 2018-07-31 09:36, INADA Naoki wrote:
> > I think PEP 580 is understandable only for people who tried to implement
> > method objects.
>
> Is this really a problem? Do we expect that all Python developers can
> understand all PEPs,
On 2018-07-31 11:12, INADA Naoki wrote:
For me, this is the most important benefit of PEP 580. I can't split
it from PEP 580.
I want PEP 580 to stand by itself. And you say that it is already
complicated enough, so we should not mix native C calling into it.
PEP 580 is written to allow
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 5:46 PM Jeroen Demeyer wrote:
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> On 2018-07-31 09:36, INADA Naoki wrote:
> > I want to see PoC of direct C calling.
>
> To be honest, there is no implementation plan for this yet. I know that
> several people want this feature, so it makes sense to think about it.
Yes.
On 2018-07-31 09:36, INADA Naoki wrote:
I think PEP 580 is understandable only for people who tried to implement
method objects.
Is this really a problem? Do we expect that all Python developers can
understand all PEPs, especially on a technical subject like this?
To give a different
On 2018-07-31 09:36, INADA Naoki wrote:
I want to see PoC of direct C calling.
To be honest, there is no implementation plan for this yet. I know that
several people want this feature, so it makes sense to think about it.
For me personally, the main open problem is how to deal with
First of all, I'm sorry to I forgot change my mail title.
(I though about reserving one more slot for Cython for
further Cython-to-Cython call optimization, but I rejected
my idea because I'm not sure it really help Cython.)
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 11:55 PM Jeroen Demeyer wrote:
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> On
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