Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-17 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 17.04.2015 19:31, Martin v. Löwis wrote: Am 17.04.15 um 00:46 schrieb M.-A. Lemburg: I had asked the PSF for a StartSSL certificate when the previous certificate expired, and the PSF was not able to provide one. After waiting several weeks for the PSF to provide the certificate, Kurt then

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-17 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 17.04.15 um 00:46 schrieb M.-A. Lemburg: I had asked the PSF for a StartSSL certificate when the previous certificate expired, and the PSF was not able to provide one. After waiting several weeks for the PSF to provide the certificate, Kurt then kindly went to Verisign. When was that ? I

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-16 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 05.04.15 um 06:43 schrieb Steve Dower: Now I just have to find the time to learn how to use it... I always sign with Kleopatra on Windows. It's really simple: just drag all files you want to sign onto it, configure detached signatures, and it will place the signature next to the original

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-16 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 04.04.15 um 21:54 schrieb M.-A. Lemburg: FWIW: The PSF mostly uses StartSSL nowadays and they also support code signing certificates. Given that this option is a lot cheaper than Verisign, I think we should switch, unless there are significant reasons not to. We should revisit this in 2017.

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-16 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 16.04.2015 21:34, Martin v. Löwis wrote: Am 04.04.15 um 21:54 schrieb M.-A. Lemburg: FWIW: The PSF mostly uses StartSSL nowadays and they also support code signing certificates. Given that this option is a lot cheaper than Verisign, I think we should switch, unless there are significant

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-05 Thread Ben Finney
Steve Dower steve.do...@microsoft.com writes: Nathaniel Smith wrote: And I suspect python-dev generally doesn't put much weight on the extra effort required (release managers have all been using gpg for decades, it's pretty trivial) I'm aware of this, but still don't see it as a reason

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-05 Thread Steve Dower
Dowermailto:steve.do...@microsoft.com Cc: M.-A. Lemburgmailto:m...@egenix.com; Larry Hastingsmailto:la...@hastings.org; Python Devmailto:python-dev@python.org; python-committersmailto:python-committ...@python.org Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-05 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 01:06:01 -0700 Larry Hastings la...@hastings.org wrote: On 04/04/2015 08:21 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: (I guess you could call Larry or someone, read them a hash over the phone, and then have them create the actual gpg signatures.) By sheer coincidence, I believe

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-05 Thread Larry Hastings
On 04/04/2015 08:21 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: (I guess you could call Larry or someone, read them a hash over the phone, and then have them create the actual gpg signatures.) By sheer coincidence, I believe Steve and I both live in the Seattle area...! //arry/

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-05 Thread Steve Dower
Nathaniel Smith wrote: And I suspect python-dev generally doesn't put much weight on the extra effort required (release managers have all been using gpg for decades, it's pretty trivial) I'm aware of this, but still don't see it as a reason to unnecessarily duplicate process. or see any

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-05 Thread Larry Hastings
On 04/05/2015 06:41 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 01:06:01 -0700 Larry Hastings la...@hastings.org wrote: On 04/04/2015 08:21 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: (I guess you could call Larry or someone, read them a hash over the phone, and then have them create the actual gpg

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-04 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
To: Steve Dowermailto:steve.do...@microsoft.com; Larry Hastingsmailto:la...@hastings.org; Python Devmailto:python-dev@python.org; python-committersmailto:python-committ...@python.org Subject: Re: [python-committers] [Python-Dev] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG? On 03.04.2015 19:35

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-04 Thread Wes Turner
To: Steve Dowermailto:steve.do...@microsoft.com; Larry Hastingsmailto:la...@hastings.org; Python Devmailto: python-dev@python.org; python-committersmailto: python-committ...@python.org Subject: Re: [python-committers] [Python-Dev] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG? On 03.04.2015 19

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-04 Thread Steve Dower
-committersmailto:python-committ...@python.org; Larry Hastingsmailto:la...@hastings.org; Steve Dowermailto:steve.do...@microsoft.com Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG? So, AFAIU from this discussion: * Authenticode does not have a PKI * GPG

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 04, 2015, at 02:41 PM, Steve Dower wrote: Relying only on Authenticode for Windows installers would result in a break in technology w/r to the downloads we make available for Python, since all other files are (usually) GPG signed It's the only part I have a question about. Does the use

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-04 Thread Steve Dower
Devmailto:python-dev@python.org; python-committersmailto:python-committ...@python.org Subject: Re: [python-committers] [Python-Dev] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG? On 04.04.2015 00:14, Steve Dower wrote: The thing is, that's exactly the same goodness as Authenticode gives, except everyone

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-04 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Steve Dower steve.do...@microsoft.com wrote: There's no problem, per se, but initially it was less trouble to use the trusted PSF certificate and native support than to add an extra step using a program I don't already use and trust, am restricted in use by my

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-04 Thread Robert Collins
On 4 April 2015 at 11:14, Steve Dower steve.do...@microsoft.com wrote: The thing is, that's exactly the same goodness as Authenticode gives, except everyone gets that for free and meanwhile you're the only one who has admitted to using GPG on Windows :) Basically, what I want to hear is that

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-04 Thread Steve Dower
From: Barry Warsawmailto:ba...@python.org Sent: ‎4/‎4/‎2015 9:11 To: python-dev@python.orgmailto:python-dev@python.org Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG? On Apr 04, 2015, at 02:41 PM, Steve Dower wrote

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-04 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 04.04.2015 16:41, Steve Dower wrote: Relying only on Authenticode for Windows installers would result in a break in technology w/r to the downloads we make available for Python, since all other files are (usually) GPG signed This is the point of this discussion. I'm willing to make such

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-04 Thread Steve Dower
-Devmailto:python-dev@python.org Subject: Re: [python-committers] [Python-Dev] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG? Authenticode does not have a PKI If you got that from this discussion, I need everyone to at least skim read this: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/ms537361(v=vs.85).aspx

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-04 Thread Kurt B. Kaiser
-Devmailto:python-dev@python.org Subject: Re: [python-committers] [Python-Dev] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG? Authenticode does not have a PKI If you got that from this discussion, I need everyone to at least skim read this: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/ms537361(v=vs.85

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-04 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
-Devmailto:python-dev@python.org Subject: Re: [python-committers] [Python-Dev] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG? Authenticode does not have a PKI If you got that from this discussion, I need everyone to at least skim read this: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/ms537361(v=vs.85

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-04 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 04.04.2015 21:49, Kurt B. Kaiser wrote: On Sat, Apr 4, 2015, at 03:35 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 04.04.2015 21:02, Kurt B. Kaiser wrote: For the record, that is a Symantec/Verisign code signing certificate. We paid $1123 for it last April. It expires April 2017. If you don't switch

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-04 Thread Kurt B. Kaiser
On Sat, Apr 4, 2015, at 03:54 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 04.04.2015 21:49, Kurt B. Kaiser wrote: On Sat, Apr 4, 2015, at 03:35 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 04.04.2015 21:02, Kurt B. Kaiser wrote: For the record, that is a Symantec/Verisign code signing certificate. We paid $1123

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-04 Thread Kurt B. Kaiser
On Sat, Apr 4, 2015, at 03:35 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 04.04.2015 21:02, Kurt B. Kaiser wrote: For the record, that is a Symantec/Verisign code signing certificate. We paid $1123 for it last April. It expires April 2017. If you don't switch to a different vendor, e.g. startssl,

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-03 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 03.04.2015 11:56, Larry Hastings wrote: My Windows development days are firmly behind me. So I don't really have an opinion here. So I put it to you, Windows Python developers: do you care about GnuPG signatures on Windows-specific files? Or do you not care? Regardless of target

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-03 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 03.04.2015 19:35, Steve Dower wrote: My Windows development days are firmly behind me. So I don't really have an opinion here. So I put it to you, Windows Python developers: do you care about GnuPG signatures on Windows-specific files? Or do you not care? The later replies seem to

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-03 Thread Steve Dower
-committers] [Python-Dev] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG? On 03.04.2015 19:35, Steve Dower wrote: My Windows development days are firmly behind me. So I don't really have an opinion here. So I put it to you, Windows Python developers: do you care about GnuPG signatures on Windows

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-03 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
...@egenix.com Sent: ‎4/‎3/‎2015 10:55 To: Steve Dowermailto:steve.do...@microsoft.com; Larry Hastingsmailto:la...@hastings.org; Python Devmailto:python-dev@python.org; python-committersmailto:python-committ...@python.org Subject: Re: [python-committers] [Python-Dev] Do we need to sign Windows

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-03 Thread Donald Stufft
-committ...@python.org Subject: Re: [python-committers] [Python-Dev] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG? On 03.04.2015 19:35, Steve Dower wrote: My Windows development days are firmly behind me. So I don't really have an opinion here. So I put it to you, Windows Python developers: do you

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-03 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Apr 3, 2015 5:50 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote: On Apr 3, 2015, at 6:38 PM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: On 04.04.2015 00:14, Steve Dower wrote: The thing is, that's exactly the same goodness as Authenticode gives, except everyone gets that for free and meanwhile

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 03, 2015, at 02:56 AM, Larry Hastings wrote: My Windows development days are firmly behind me. So I don't really have an opinion here. So I put it to you, Windows Python developers: do you care about GnuPG signatures on Windows-specific files? Or do you not care? They're not mutually

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] Do we need to sign Windows files with GnuPG?

2015-04-03 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 April 2015 at 10:56, Larry Hastings la...@hastings.org wrote: My Windows development days are firmly behind me. So I don't really have an opinion here. So I put it to you, Windows Python developers: do you care about