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I heard it on reasonably believable authority that the FLUFL took the year off.
Lamentable.
-Barry
> On Apr 1, 2023, at 11:19, Skip Montanaro wrote:
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> Just wanted to throw this out there... I lament the loss of
Python ecosystem? I know you can still import "this" or
> "antigravity", but those are now old (both introduced before 2010). When
> was the last time a clever easter egg was introduced or an April Fool's Day
> joke played?
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> > ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Yea, it is funny. I commented on it.
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ve April Fool's Day joke on one or both of these
> > lists, often from our FLUFL... Maybe such frivolity still happens, just
> not
> > in the Python ecosystem?
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> I thought this one was funny:
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actic macros are one of the 2 or 3 "Killer features" that pushed
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> readable because of this.
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t A:
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Without changing the value of `A`, re-running the current iteration will
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>>
>> for _ in range(n):
>> ...
>> if not A:
>> repeat # repeat current iteration
>>
>> Notice the "not" in the if clause. I am really looking forwars to hear
>> your opinions.
nt in the following sense
>
> for _ in range(n):
> ...
> if not A:
> repeat # repeat current iteration
>
> Notice the "not" in the if clause. I am really looking forwars to hear your
> opinions.
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>
> for _ in range(n):
> flag = True
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> ...
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Why not use break?
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d suggest the repeat statement in the following sense
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if not A:
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Notice the "not" in the if clause. I am really looking forwars to hear
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Is it conceivable in the future
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pointers to be
> expected? Has the Python community done any of their own experiments
> with building Python with and without frame pointers?
> - Is there anything we can do to fix the slowdown when Python is built
> with frame pointers?
> - Should we expect any change in benchmark res
me pointers?
- Should we expect any change in benchmark results if we benchmark
against Python 3.12? Supposedly there are changes in Python 3.12
related to frame pointers so we're wondering if those changes might
affect these results in any way.
Cheers,
Daan De Meyer
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r your time!
Regards from rainy London,
Pablo Galindo Salgado
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OK, I missed out on typing-...@python.org, and now I know this thread is
off-topic on python-dev@python.org.
A bit more clear example of what I want to do is:
```
class Field:
def __init__(self, desc: str) -> None:
self.desc = desc
class FooMetaType:
variable_both_class_and_insta
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> Thanks a lot, everyone for your time!
> Regards from rainy London,
> Pablo Galindo Salgado
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