Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

> Maybe I'm misunderstanding you but I didn't mean to say that this > version should work on both python 2.x and python 3.x. Ideally, there > would be a PIL distribution for 2.x only and another one for 3.x only. I don't know what Fredrik thinks, but I would not consider this ideal. Ideally, there

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

> I don't disagree, I just don't want to volunteer projects for something > they don't want. Right, there must be clear indication that they are willing to accept the work when it's done. > Note also that some of the largest Python-based projects, Django, I have a working port of Django to Py3k,

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 03:18:00PM -0700, average wrote: -> > Summer of Code is ramping up. ?Every year the common complaint is that not -> > enough Python core projects get proposed by students, and of course a big -> > reason for that is often the only encouragement we offer prospective -> > stud

[Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

> Summer of Code is ramping up.  Every year the common complaint is that not > enough Python core projects get proposed by students, and of course a big > reason for that is often the only encouragement we offer prospective > students is a link to the PEP index. > > The challenge is finding project

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

If it's organized in time we could scoop up some of the SoC applicants who we'll like to have but we won't have slots for Honestly I like the idea of competitions. Better publicity, the greater prizes will draw out some better minds from the community, and competitions based on quality will help

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

Arc Riley wrote: > > That makes it a much better candidate for GHOP that SoC, which requires > projects with a little more meat on them. > > > Yes it does. > > Though many organizations have taken to funding their own GHOPs. > Perhaps this year PSF can use the SoC funds ($500/student)

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> That makes it a much better candidate for GHOP that SoC, which requires > projects with a little more meat on them. Yes it does. Though many organizations have taken to funding their own GHOPs. Perhaps this year PSF can use the SoC funds ($500/student) to host a bounty-sprint program much lik

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

Raymond Hettinger wrote: > Another thought: it would be nice is pydoc were built-out with an > alternate html generator that emitted clean, simple html > with the appropriate div/span tags so that CSS can be used > to control formatting. Right now, all of the formatting and > color coding is in-l

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

Another thought: it would be nice is pydoc were built-out with an alternate html generator that emitted clean, simple html with the appropriate div/span tags so that CSS can be used to control formatting. Right now, all of the formatting and color coding is in-line. If you don't like the appea

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

> Summer of Code is ramping up. Every year the common complaint is that > not > enough Python core projects get proposed by students, and of course a > big > reason for that is often the only encouragement we offer prospective > students is a link to the PEP index. > >>

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On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Daniel Fetchinson wrote: Summer of Code is ramping up.  Every year the common complaint is that not enough Python core projects get proposed by students, and of course a big reason for that is often the only encouragement we offer prospective >>

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

>>> Summer of Code is ramping up. Every year the common complaint is that >>> not >>> enough Python core projects get proposed by students, and of course a big >>> reason for that is often the only encouragement we offer prospective >>> students is a link to the PEP index. >>> >>> So let's make th

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

Feel free to email wi...@bluesock.org or me with your ideas if the markup is difficult to work with. We've been on wiki duty all afternoon. description, any specific skills they'll need (special library, compiler theory, etc), what mentor should they talk to if they're interested. The markup com

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Arc Riley wrote: > The process is as follows; we're compiling ideas for > http://wiki.python.org/moin/SummerOfCode/2009 and getting mentors signed up > at http://socghop.appspot.com/ Any chance that we can keep http://wiki.python.org/moin/SummerOfCode/2009 light on markup? I simply can't add a 'ti

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

Arc Riley wrote: > I've heard from four people that improving 2to3 would be a great project > (plus many more suggesting "port X to Python 3" as project ideas). > > Note the SoC timeline; > http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline > > So maybe it won't work for 3.

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

Arc Riley wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Maciej Fijalkowski > wrote: > > I think we need to ask first guys who spend their live maintaining > libraries instead of just proposing "let's make some poor student port > it to py3k", but I might be just w

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009/3/18 Arc Riley : > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: >> >> I would double-check Benjamin can do this since I don't think he will be >> 18 by the time GSoC starts. The FAQ at >> http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#mentor_eligibility >> seems

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C. Titus Brown wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 09:24:25PM +, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > -> Rather than performance, I think some more interesting areas would be > related to > -> some of the standard library modules. For instance, the unittest module > could > -> welcome some new features (test

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Daniel Fetchinson wrote: >> Hey guys/gals >> >> Summer of Code is ramping up.  Every year the common complaint is that not >> enough Python core projects get proposed by students, and of course a big >> reason for that is often the only encouragement we offer prosp

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: > Without help, it is going to take a long time to get many packages > converted to 3.x. I don't disagree, I just don't want to volunteer projects for something they don't want. Unless I misunderstand the situation, PIL doesn't seem app

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

As a project maintainer I wouldn't want an intern being the most familiar person with our Py3 migration, I'd rather students stick with new features or optimization and coordinate the migration process as a group-wide effort. Without help, it is going to take a long time to get many packag

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

> Hey guys/gals > > Summer of Code is ramping up. Every year the common complaint is that not > enough Python core projects get proposed by students, and of course a big > reason for that is often the only encouragement we offer prospective > students is a link to the PEP index. > > So let's make

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: > > I would double-check Benjamin can do this since I don't think he will be > 18 by the time GSoC starts. The FAQ at > http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#mentor_eligibilityseems > to suggest it won't be an i

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009/3/18 Arc Riley > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Maciej Fijalkowski wrote: > >> I think we need to ask first guys who spend their live maintaining >> libraries instead of just proposing "let's make some poor student port >> it to py3k", but I might be just wrong, I don't know. > > > I agree

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On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 14:56, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2009/3/18 Arc Riley : > >> > Note the SoC timeline; > >> > > >> > > http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline > >> > > >> > So maybe it won't work for 3.1, but perhaps 3.1.1? 3.2? > >> > >> Well, there won't

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Maciej Fijalkowski wrote: > I think we need to ask first guys who spend their live maintaining > libraries instead of just proposing "let's make some poor student port > it to py3k", but I might be just wrong, I don't know. I agree. Part of Summer of Code is abo

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2009/3/18 Terry Reedy > R. David Murray wrote: > > How about improving 2to3? Seems like that could be an interesting, >> challenging, useful, and rewarding project :). >> > > Or the much requested 3to2 using the same tools. I'm not in a position to mentor this, but I too think this would be a

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

> > While working on the core is admirable, I think gsoc would provide an > opportunity to port important Python libraries to 3.x. It's important > to remember that doing ports helps the core immensely by uncovering > 2to3 and py3k bugs. > Hello. It's a very noble task to have important python li

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 09:24:25PM +, Antoine Pitrou wrote: -> Rather than performance, I think some more interesting areas would be related to -> some of the standard library modules. For instance, the unittest module could -> welcome some new features (test discovery, support for skipped tes

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009/3/18 Arc Riley : >> > Note the SoC timeline; >> > >> > http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline >> > >> > So maybe it won't work for 3.1, but perhaps 3.1.1? 3.2? >> >> Well, there won't be any major changes in 3.1.1, but 3.2 is definitely >> open. > > Cool, the

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

> > > Note the SoC timeline; > > > http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline > > > > So maybe it won't work for 3.1, but perhaps 3.1.1? 3.2? > > Well, there won't be any major changes in 3.1.1, but 3.2 is definitely > open. Cool, these are of course details you can

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009/3/18 Arc Riley : > I've heard from four people that improving 2to3 would be a great project > (plus many more suggesting "port X to Python 3" as project ideas). Ok. That's excellent. > > Note the SoC timeline; > http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline > > So

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

I've heard from four people that improving 2to3 would be a great project (plus many more suggesting "port X to Python 3" as project ideas). Note the SoC timeline; http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline So maybe it won't work for 3.1, but perhaps 3.1.1? 3.2? We

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Terry Reedy udel.edu> writes: > > Or the much requested 3to2 using the same tools. I didn't know there was such a request. I thought it was only a PyPy April fool. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listi

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R. David Murray wrote: How about improving 2to3? Seems like that could be an interesting, challenging, useful, and rewarding project :). Or the much requested 3to2 using the same tools. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.

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Hello Arc, Arc Riley gmail.com> writes: > > I've seen and heard that a lot of work is still needed on > http://svn.python.org /view/python/trunk both during the 3.1 release cycle, optimization possible all over the place. Well, first, it's too late for 3.1, which will (should) be out before Ju

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009/3/18 Arc Riley : > Hey guys/gals Thanks for organizing this! > > Summer of Code is ramping up.  Every year the common complaint is that not > enough Python core projects get proposed by students, and of course a big > reason for that is often the only encouragement we offer prospective > stu

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 at 16:56, Arc Riley wrote: Summer of Code is ramping up. Every year the common complaint is that not enough Python core projects get proposed by students, and of course a big reason for that is often the only encouragement we offer prospective students is a link to the PEP in

[Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

Hey guys/gals Summer of Code is ramping up. Every year the common complaint is that not enough Python core projects get proposed by students, and of course a big reason for that is often the only encouragement we offer prospective students is a link to the PEP index. So let's make this year diff