Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-21 Thread Jesus Cea
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What is the impact in the buildbot architecture?. Slaves must do anything?. At least they need to have mercurial installed, I guess. What, as a buildslave manager, must I do to ready my server for the migration?. - -- Jesus Cea Avion

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-21 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 21.11.2010 18:27, schrieb Jesus Cea: What is the impact in the buildbot architecture?. Slaves must do anything?. At least they need to have mercurial installed, I guess. What, as a buildslave manager, must I do to ready my server for the migration?. Apart from having Mercurial installed

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-20 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 2:51 AM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: I'm at it.  In fact, I think I will merge both todo.txt and tasks.txt into the PEP.  It's not more of a burden to update it there, and it's more visible to the developer community. The latest checkin was definitely an

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 19.11.2010 03:23, schrieb Benjamin Peterson: 2010/11/18 Jesus Cea j...@jcea.es: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18/11/10 18:32, Martin v. Löwis wrote: In general, I'm *also* concerned about the lack of volunteers that are interested in working on the infrastructure. I

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Am 19.11.2010 03:23, schrieb Benjamin Peterson: 2010/11/18 Jesus Cea j...@jcea.es: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18/11/10 18:32, Martin v. Löwis wrote: In general, I'm *also* concerned about the lack of

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Martin v. Löwis
- date Hg will be available for write access (it should be frozen for a while, to give the folks doing the conversion a chance to make sure buildbot is back up and run, commit emails are working properly, etc) I would target the build slaves to the Mercurial repository already in the testing

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Nov 19, 2010, at 11:50 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: - date SVN will go read only Please note that svn cannot be made completely read-only.  We've already decided that versions already in maintenance or security-only mode

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 15:56, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: That's enough to make folks like me somewhat nervous as to whether or not we're actually going to have a usable source control system come December 12. Yes, I've been negligent about updating the PEP. I'll try do so next

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.11.2010 08:58, schrieb Martin v. Löwis: Am 19.11.2010 03:23, schrieb Benjamin Peterson: 2010/11/18 Jesus Cea j...@jcea.es: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18/11/10 18:32, Martin v. Löwis wrote: In general, I'm *also* concerned about the lack of volunteers that are

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread John Arbash Meinel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/19/2010 7:50 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Am 19.11.2010 03:23, schrieb Benjamin Peterson: 2010/11/18 Jesus Cea j...@jcea.es: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.11.2010 16:00, schrieb Dirkjan Ochtman: On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 15:56, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: That's enough to make folks like me somewhat nervous as to whether or not we're actually going to have a usable source control system come December 12. Yes, I've been

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.11.2010 15:36, schrieb Martin v. Löwis: - date Hg will be available for write access (it should be frozen for a while, to give the folks doing the conversion a chance to make sure buildbot is back up and run, commit emails are working properly, etc) I would target the build slaves to

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.11.2010 15:46, schrieb Barry Warsaw: On Nov 19, 2010, at 11:50 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: - date SVN will go read only Please note that svn cannot be made completely read-only. We've already decided that versions already in maintenance or security-only mode (2.5, 2.6, 2.7, 3.1) will

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 19, 2010, at 06:12 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: Am 19.11.2010 15:46, schrieb Barry Warsaw: On Nov 19, 2010, at 11:50 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: - date SVN will go read only Please note that svn cannot be made completely read-only. We've already decided that versions already in maintenance

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 12:41:58 -0500 Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: Really? I can understand this for security-only branches (commits there will be rare, and equivalent commits to the Mercurial branches can be made by others than the release managers, in order to keep history consistent).

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Éric Araujo
I don't understand all the worry about sys.subversion. It's not like it's useful to anybody else than us, and I think it should have been named sys._subversion instead. There's no point in making API-like promises about which DVCS, bug tracker or documentation toolset we use for our workflow.

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Brett Cannon
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 05:50, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Am 19.11.2010 03:23, schrieb Benjamin Peterson: 2010/11/18 Jesus Cea j...@jcea.es: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18/11/10 18:32,

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Maybe I misremembered Martin's suggestion, and he was only talking about security releases. Technically, I was only talking about 2.5. For each branch, the respective release manager should make a decision. For 2.5 and 2.6, it's been decided; Benjamin has not yet announced plans how 2.7 and 3.1

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I don't understand all the worry about sys.subversion. Really? For a security release, there should be *zero* chance that it breaks existing applications, unless the application relies on the security bug that has been fixed. By zero chance, I mean absolutely no chance, never. I'm pretty sure

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.11.2010 22:35, schrieb Martin v. Löwis: I don't understand all the worry about sys.subversion. Really? For a security release, there should be *zero* chance that it breaks existing applications, unless the application relies on the security bug that has been fixed. By zero chance, I

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le vendredi 19 novembre 2010 à 22:35 +0100, Martin v. Löwis a écrit : I don't understand all the worry about sys.subversion. Really? For a security release, there should be *zero* chance that it breaks existing applications, It should have been clear that my message explicitly excluded

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-19 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2010/11/19 Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de: Maybe I misremembered Martin's suggestion, and he was only talking about security releases. Technically, I was only talking about 2.5. For each branch, the respective release manager should make a decision. For 2.5 and 2.6, it's been decided;

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-18 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Am 17.11.2010 08:18, schrieb Georg Brandl: Am 16.11.2010 19:38, schrieb Jesus Cea: Is there any updated mercurial schedule?. Any impact related with the new 3.2 schedule (three weeks offset)? I've been trying to

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-18 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Alternatively, b1 should be postponed until after the Mercurial migration is done. I think this new feature is not so shocking that it can be used as an argument to hold up the migration. If you have another reason to stop the migration please say so; personally I can't wait for it to

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-18 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 18.11.2010 18:32, schrieb Martin v. Löwis: Alternatively, b1 should be postponed until after the Mercurial migration is done. I think this new feature is not so shocking that it can be used as an argument to hold up the migration. If you have another reason to stop the migration please

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-18 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Therefore, I'm concerned that I will have to work out all the details on my own, just so that I can produce the b2 binaries (says); this is not something I look forward to. How much does the binary build process really depend on version control? I.e., what would be stopping you from making

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-18 Thread Jesus Cea
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18/11/10 18:32, Martin v. Löwis wrote: In general, I'm *also* concerned about the lack of volunteers that are interested in working on the infrastructure. I wish some of the people who stated that they can't wait for the migration to happen

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-18 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2010/11/18 Jesus Cea j...@jcea.es: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18/11/10 18:32, Martin v. Löwis wrote: In general, I'm *also* concerned about the lack of volunteers that are interested in working on the infrastructure. I wish some of the people who stated that they can't

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-18 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.11.2010 03:23, schrieb Benjamin Peterson: 2010/11/18 Jesus Cea j...@jcea.es: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18/11/10 18:32, Martin v. Löwis wrote: In general, I'm *also* concerned about the lack of volunteers that are interested in working on the infrastructure. I

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-17 Thread Jesus Cea
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17/11/10 08:18, Georg Brandl wrote: Am 16.11.2010 19:38, schrieb Jesus Cea: Is there any updated mercurial schedule?. Any impact related with the new 3.2 schedule (three weeks offset)? I've been trying to contact Dirkjan and ask; generally,

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-17 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 13:51, Jesus Cea j...@jcea.es wrote: I can't find the mail now, but I remember that months ago the Mercurial migration schedule was mid-december. I wonder if there is any update. I'm still aiming for that date. I've had some problems getting the test repository together.

[Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-16 Thread Jesus Cea
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is there any updated mercurial schedule?. Any impact related with the new 3.2 schedule (three weeks offset)? - -- Jesus Cea Avion _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ j...@jcea.es - http://www.jcea.es/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial Schedule

2010-11-16 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 16.11.2010 19:38, schrieb Jesus Cea: Is there any updated mercurial schedule?. Any impact related with the new 3.2 schedule (three weeks offset)? I've been trying to contact Dirkjan and ask; generally, I don't see much connection to the 3.2 schedule (with the exception that the final