Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-30 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 30/11/2013 03:39, Nick Coghlan wrote: On 30 November 2013 01:25, Kristján Valur Jónsson krist...@ccpgames.com wrote: I know that Anatoly himself is a subject of long history here, but I myself have felt lessening affinity to the dev community in recent years. It feels like it is

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-30 Thread Kristján Valur Jónsson
. nóvember 2013 03:39 To: Kristján Valur Jónsson Cc: Antoine Pitrou; python-dev@python.org Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives On 30 November 2013 01:25, Kristján Valur Jónsson krist...@ccpgames.com wrote: I know that Anatoly himself is a subject of long history

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-29 Thread Kristján Valur Jónsson
: python-dev Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives Anatoly, the Python community is a lot more diverse than you think. Pull requests (whatever that means) are not the way to start a PEP. You should start by focusing on the contents, and the mechanics of editing

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: Anatoly, the Python community is a lot more diverse than you think. Pull requests (whatever that means) are not the way to start a PEP. You should start by focusing on the contents, and the mechanics of editing it and

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-29 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:08 PM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote: About ill fated initiatives. I don't like when people prematurely close tickets without waiting for the mutual agreement that the problem is solved. Perhaps trackers should have personal agree/disagree/meh flags to

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-29 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 09:16:38 + Kristján Valur Jónsson krist...@ccpgames.com wrote: Closing the ticket, twice, is a rude, and unnecessary action. Closing the ticket means we don't believe there is an issue, or we don't think it would be reasonable to fix it. If that's our judgement on the

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-29 Thread Kristján Valur Jónsson
-Original Message- From: Python-Dev [mailto:python-dev- bounces+kristjan=ccpgames@python.org] On Behalf Of Antoine Pitrou Sent: 29. nóvember 2013 14:58 To: python-dev@python.org Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives On Fri, 29 Nov 2013

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-29 Thread Antoine Pitrou
: Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 09:16:38 + Kristján Valur Jónsson krist...@ccpgames.com wrote: Closing the ticket, twice, is a rude, and unnecessary action. Closing the ticket means we don't believe there is an issue, or we

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-29 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 29/11/2013 15:25, Kristján Valur Jónsson wrote: I know that Anatoly himself is a subject of long history here, but I myself have felt lessening affinity to the dev community in recent years. It feels like it is increasingly shutting itself in. I entirely agree, the development community

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-29 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 29.11.2013 10:16, schrieb Kristján Valur Jónsson: Reading the defect, I find people being unnecessarily obstructive. Closing the ticket, twice, is a rude, and unnecessary action. How about acknowledging that these waters are dark and murky and help making things better? Surely,

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-29 Thread Brett Cannon
Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 09:16:38 + Kristján Valur Jónsson krist...@ccpgames.com wrote: Closing the ticket, twice, is a rude, and unnecessary action. Closing the ticket means we don't believe there is an issue, or we

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-29 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 29.11.2013 16:25, Kristján Valur Jónsson wrote: How about acknowledging that these waters are dark and murky and help making things better? Well, how about? If Anatoly has a concrete proposal, surely he can propose a patch to make things better. Which is what he did. And instead of

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-29 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 03:25:14PM +, Kristján Valur Jónsson wrote about the PEP process: How about acknowledging that these waters are dark and murky and help making things better? Well, how about? If Anatoly has a concrete proposal, surely he can propose a patch to make things

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-29 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 30 November 2013 01:25, Kristján Valur Jónsson krist...@ccpgames.com wrote: I know that Anatoly himself is a subject of long history here, but I myself have felt lessening affinity to the dev community in recent years. It feels like it is increasingly shutting itself in. Are you sure it

[Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-28 Thread anatoly techtonik
I wanted to help people who are trying to find out more about PEP submission process by providing relevant info (or a pointer) in README.rst that is located at the root of PEPs repository. You can see it here. https://bitbucket.org/rirror/peps I filled this issue with b.p.o

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-28 Thread Guido van Rossum
Anatoly, the Python community is a lot more diverse than you think. Pull requests (whatever that means) are not the way to start a PEP. You should start by focusing on the contents, and the mechanics of editing it and getting it formatted properly are secondary. The process is explained in PEP