Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5 rc 2

2010-03-16 Thread Sridhar Ratnakumar
I just verified with our ActivePython build that 2.6.4rc2 builds fine on Linux, Windows, Mac, HP-UX, AIX and Solaris. 3.1.2rc1 builds fine except on AIX[1] and HP-UX[2] but those issues existed in 3.1.1 too, I believe. -srid [1] http://bugs.python.org/issue6645 [2] http://bugs.python.org/issue5

[Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5 release candidate 2 now available

2010-03-10 Thread Barry Warsaw
Hi everyone, The source tarballs and Windows installer for Python 2.6.5 release candidate 2 are now available: http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.6.5/ As usual, please download, install, and test them with your favorite projects and environments. A number of regressions and build problem

[Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5 rc 2

2010-03-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
Hi Python hackateers! It looks like we finally have no more release blockers for 2.6.5rc2. I would like to tag the tree tonight for rc2 so that Martin can build the Windows installer for a release tomorrow. I am also moving the final release back to Friday March 19. -Barry signature.asc Descr

[Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5 rc 2

2010-03-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
We are definitely going to need a 2.6.5 rc 2. We've had a number of critical issues fixed since rc1 and we have two more critical patches approved for landing which fix issues on OS X. I've given Ronald approval in the tracker to land these two patches. 8066 OS X installer: readline module break

[Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5 release candidate 1 now available

2010-03-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
Hello everyone, The source tarballs and Windows installer for Python 2.6.5 release candidate 1 are now available: http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.6.5/ Please download them, install them, and try to use them with your favorite projects and environments. If no regressions are found, we

[Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5 rc 1

2010-02-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
Hello everybody! I hope you all had as great a time at Pycon 2010 as I did. No time to begin recovering though, we're on to Python 2.6.5 rc 1, which I would like to release on Monday. We have one showstopper still open, and I'll try to respond to that asap. http://bugs.python.org/issue7250

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-11 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:36:22 -0500, Barry Warsaw a écrit : > > Unless other details come to light, I agree. This one isn't worth > holding up the release for. Ok, since everyone seems to agree on this, I've downgraded the priority of the issue. Thanks for an insightful discussion :-) cheers A

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Feb 11, 2010, at 10:05 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: >When I've kicked issues in the RM's direction for a decision, I've >generally tried to make sure my last comment makes it clear exactly what >decision I'm asking them to make. Yes, this is an *excellent* point! -Barry signature.asc Description

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Feb 10, 2010, at 11:46 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: >That would require that Barry actually *can* judge the issue at hand. In >the specific case, I would expect that Barry would defer the specifics >of the Windows issue to Windows experts, and then listen to what they >say. Yep, absolutely. >I'

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-11 Thread Nick Coghlan
Martin v. Löwis wrote: >> If a committer or triage >> person sets an issue to release blocker it should mean that they think >> the release manager should make a decision about that issue before the >> next release. That decision may well be that it shouldn't be a blocker. > > I think it's (sligh

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-11 Thread Nick Coghlan
Antoine Pitrou wrote: > As for setting keywords, there doesn't seem to be much you could have an > authority to decide as a non-committer. You might think (and perhaps with good > reason) that the patch is ready for commit into the SVN, but it's precisely a > committer's job to decide that. There

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-10 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> If a committer or triage > person sets an issue to release blocker it should mean that they think > the release manager should make a decision about that issue before the > next release. That decision may well be that it shouldn't be a blocker. I think it's (slightly) worse. For the release man

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-10 Thread R. David Murray
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:57:31 +0200, anatoly techtonik wrote: > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > > > Besides, as Barry said, classifying a bug as blocker is also a good way > > to attract some attention on it. Other classifications, even "critical", > > don't have the sa

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-10 Thread Brett Cannon
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 21:24, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Feb 9, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: > >>> Le Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:16:15 +0200, anatoly techtonik a écrit : I've noticed a couple of issues that 100% crash Python 2.6.4 like this one - http://bugs.python.org/issue6608  Is i

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-10 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Feb 10, 2010, at 01:57 PM, anatoly techtonik wrote: >Unfortunately, not many people have privilege to change bug properties >to attract attention to the issues. For example, this patch - >http://bugs.python.org/issue7582 is ready to be committed, it is >trivial, not a release blocker, but would

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-10 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
anatoly techtonik writes: > Is it possible to make exploits out of crashers? Depends on how you define "exploit". If your definition includes denial of service, yes, crashing a server application would count. Privilege escalation is harder to achieve. The general answer is "yes", but each cas

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-10 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Antoine Pitrou writes: > Besides, as Barry said, classifying a bug as blocker is also a good way > to attract some attention on it. Other classifications, even "critical", > don't have the same effect. If done for the sole purpose of attracting attention, it's no different from spam. Opinions

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-10 Thread Antoine Pitrou
anatoly techtonik gmail.com> writes: > > Unfortunately, not many people have privilege to change bug properties > to attract attention to the issues. For example, this patch - > http://bugs.python.org/issue7582 is ready to be committed, it is > trivial, not a release blocker, but would be nice be

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-10 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > Besides, as Barry said, classifying a bug as blocker is also a good way > to attract some attention on it. Other classifications, even "critical", > don't have the same effect. Unfortunately, not many people have privilege to change bug p

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-09 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le mercredi 10 février 2010 à 05:26 +0100, "Martin v. Löwis" a écrit : > > Maybe I'm being pedantic, but I really think there should be more > objective criteria for such things. Well we could try to find objective criteria but I'm not sure we'll find agreement on them. > We could set a policy

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-09 Thread Antoine Pitrou
anatoly techtonik gmail.com> writes: > > Is it possible to make exploits out of crashers? It depends which ones. If it's something like a buffer overflow or a memory management problem, it may be possible to exploit it through carefully crafted input (in order to make the interpreter execute arb

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-09 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:55 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >>> Le Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:16:15 +0200, anatoly techtonik a écrit : I've noticed a couple of issues that 100% crash Python 2.6.4 like this one - http://bugs.python.org/issue6608 Is it ok to release new versions that are kn

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-09 Thread Raymond Hettinger
On Feb 9, 2010, at 9:54 PM, anatoly techtonik wrote: > > Is it possible to make exploits out of crashers? The crashers involve creating convoluted python code, but then if you're in a position to execute arbitrary Python code, then you don't have to resort to any tricks to do something nasty wit

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-09 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:55 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> Le Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:16:15 +0200, anatoly techtonik a écrit : >>> I've noticed a couple of issues that 100% crash Python 2.6.4 like this >>> one - http://bugs.python.org/issue6608  Is it ok to release new versions >>> that are known to

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Feb 9, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: > Of course, the release manager can always declare anything a release > blocker, so that may have been the reason (I don't recall the details). I should probably clarify my last statement. I will sometimes mark an issue "release blocker" becau

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Feb 9, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: >> Le Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:16:15 +0200, anatoly techtonik a écrit : >>> I've noticed a couple of issues that 100% crash Python 2.6.4 like this >>> one - http://bugs.python.org/issue6608 Is it ok to release new versions >>> that are known to crash?

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-09 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Martin v. Löwis v.loewis.de> writes: >> IOW, I feel that release blockers should only be used if something >> really bad would happen that can be prevented by not releasing. If >> nothing actually gets worse by the release, the release shouldn't be >> blocked. > > I think

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-09 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Martin v. Löwis v.loewis.de> writes: > > IOW, I feel that release blockers should only be used if something > really bad would happen that can be prevented by not releasing. If > nothing actually gets worse by the release, the release shouldn't be > blocked. I think most blocking bugs we've had

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-09 Thread Martin v. Löwis
>>> I've changed this issue to release blocker. What are the other issues? >> For a bug fix release, it should (IMO) be a release blocker *only* if >> this is a regression in the branch or some recent bug fix release over >> some earlier bug fix release. > > As far as I remember, I think we have h

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-09 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le mardi 09 février 2010 à 22:55 +0100, "Martin v. Löwis" a écrit : > > Le Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:16:15 +0200, anatoly techtonik a écrit : > >> I've noticed a couple of issues that 100% crash Python 2.6.4 like this > >> one - http://bugs.python.org/issue6608 Is it ok to release new versions > >> that

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-09 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Le Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:16:15 +0200, anatoly techtonik a écrit : >> I've noticed a couple of issues that 100% crash Python 2.6.4 like this >> one - http://bugs.python.org/issue6608 Is it ok to release new versions >> that are known to crash? > > I've changed this issue to release blocker. What a

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-09 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> I've noticed a couple of issues that 100% crash Python 2.6.4 like this > one - http://bugs.python.org/issue6608 Is it ok to release new > versions that are known to crash? As a general principle: yes, that's ok. We even distribute known crashers with every release. Regards, Martin ___

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-09 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 06:45, anatoly techtonik wrote: > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Antoine Pitrou > wrote: > > Le Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:16:15 +0200, anatoly techtonik a écrit : > >> > >> I've noticed a couple of issues that 100% crash Python 2.6.4 like this > >> one - http://bugs.python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-09 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Le Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:16:15 +0200, anatoly techtonik a écrit : >> >> I've noticed a couple of issues that 100% crash Python 2.6.4 like this >> one - http://bugs.python.org/issue6608  Is it ok to release new versions >> that are known to cra

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-09 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:16:15 +0200, anatoly techtonik a écrit : > > I've noticed a couple of issues that 100% crash Python 2.6.4 like this > one - http://bugs.python.org/issue6608 Is it ok to release new versions > that are known to crash? I've changed this issue to release blocker. What are the

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-09 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > I'm thinking about doing a Python 2.6.5 release soon.  I've added the > following dates to the Python release schedule Google calendar: > > 2009-03-01 Python 2.6.5 rc 1 > 2009-03-15 Python 2.6.5 final > > This allows us to spend some time on 2.

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-04 Thread Zvezdan Petkovic
On Feb 4, 2010, at 4:59 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > I still think this should go in 2.6.5. The patch does not apply to the > current 2.6 branch because of changes in setup.py. If the patch is ported, > reviewed and works with no regressions (when libreadline is both installed on > OS X 10.5 and

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Feb 03, 2010, at 11:50 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: >> Barry's answer was "yes" back in October. > >I will backport the patch if Barry says it's fine. Feel free to ping me if >that doesn't happen before the end of next week. I still think this should go in 2.6.5. The patch does not apply to th

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-03 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 3 Feb, 2010, at 21:27, Zvezdan Petkovic wrote: > On Feb 3, 2010, at 3:07 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: > >>> This patch is still waiting a review and backporting from trunk. >>> >>> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2009-October/092771.html >>> >>> Can we get it in? >> >> Only if on

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-03 Thread Zvezdan Petkovic
On Feb 3, 2010, at 3:07 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: >> This patch is still waiting a review and backporting from trunk. >> >> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2009-October/092771.html >> >> Can we get it in? > > Only if one of the Mac people checks it in. It's already checked in the

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-03 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> This patch is still waiting a review and backporting from trunk. > > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2009-October/092771.html > > Can we get it in? Only if one of the Mac people checks it in. As they are *REALLY* scarce, the answer is probably "no". I'd offer a special version of

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-03 Thread Zvezdan Petkovic
On Feb 2, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > I'm thinking about doing a Python 2.6.5 release soon. I've added the > following dates to the Python release schedule Google calendar: > > 2009-03-01 Python 2.6.5 rc 1 > 2009-03-15 Python 2.6.5 final > > This allows us to spend some time on 2.6.

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-02 Thread Raymond Hettinger
+1 On Feb 2, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > I'm thinking about doing a Python 2.6.5 release soon. I've added the > following dates to the Python release schedule Google calendar: > > 2009-03-01 Python 2.6.5 rc 1 > 2009-03-15 Python 2.6.5 final > > This allows us to spend some time on

[Python-Dev] Python 2.6.5

2010-02-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
I'm thinking about doing a Python 2.6.5 release soon. I've added the following dates to the Python release schedule Google calendar: 2009-03-01 Python 2.6.5 rc 1 2009-03-15 Python 2.6.5 final This allows us to spend some time on 2.6.5 at Pycon if we want. Please let me know if you have any conc