Re: [Python-Dev] Spreading the Python 3 religion (was Re: PEP 414 - Unicode Literals for Python 3)

2012-02-29 Thread Jesse Noller
> > FWIW, I agree that much of the rhetoric in the current version of PEP > 414 is excessive. > > Armin has given me permission to create an updated version of PEP 414 > and toning down the hyperbole (or removing it entirely in cases where > it's irrelevant to the final decision) is one of the t

Re: [Python-Dev] Spreading the Python 3 religion (was Re: PEP 414 - Unicode Literals for Python 3)

2012-02-28 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > mar...@v.loewis.de writes: > >  > One thing that the PEP will certainly achieve is to spread the myth that >  > you cannot port to Python 3 if you also want to support Python 2.5. That's >  > because people will accept the "single sourc

Re: [Python-Dev] Spreading the Python 3 religion (was Re: PEP 414 - Unicode Literals for Python 3)

2012-02-28 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
mar...@v.loewis.de writes: > One thing that the PEP will certainly achieve is to spread the myth that > you cannot port to Python 3 if you also want to support Python 2.5. That's > because people will accept the "single source" approach as the one right way, > and will accept that this only wo

Re: [Python-Dev] Spreading the Python 3 religion (was Re: PEP 414 - Unicode Literals for Python 3)

2012-02-28 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:51, Vinay Sajip wrote: > Brett Cannon python.org> writes: > >> Changes to http://docs.python.org/howto/pyporting.html are welcome. I tried >> to >> make sure it exposed all possibilities with tips on how to support as far >> back >> as Python 2.5. > > Right, will take

Re: [Python-Dev] Spreading the Python 3 religion (was Re: PEP 414 - Unicode Literals for Python 3)

2012-02-28 Thread Vinay Sajip
Brett Cannon python.org> writes: > Changes to http://docs.python.org/howto/pyporting.html are welcome. I tried to > make sure it exposed all possibilities with tips on how to support as far back > as Python 2.5.  Right, will take a look. FYI a Google search for "python 3 porting guide" shows the

Re: [Python-Dev] Spreading the Python 3 religion (was Re: PEP 414 - Unicode Literals for Python 3)

2012-02-28 Thread Brett Cannon
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:07, Vinay Sajip wrote: > v.loewis.de> writes: > > > One thing that the PEP will certainly achieve is to spread the myth that > > you cannot port to Python 3 if you also want to support Python 2.5. > That's > > because people will accept the "single source" approach as

Re: [Python-Dev] Spreading the Python 3 religion (was Re: PEP 414 - Unicode Literals for Python 3)

2012-02-28 Thread Vinay Sajip
v.loewis.de> writes: > One thing that the PEP will certainly achieve is to spread the myth that > you cannot port to Python 3 if you also want to support Python 2.5. That's > because people will accept the "single source" approach as the one right > way, and will accept that this only works well

Re: [Python-Dev] Spreading the Python 3 religion (was Re: PEP 414 - Unicode Literals for Python 3)

2012-02-28 Thread martin
If PEP 414 helps some projects migrate to Python 3, great. But I really hope we as a community don't perpetuate the myth that you cannot port to Python 3 without this, and I hope that we spend as much effort on educating other Python developers on how to port to Python 3 *right now* supporting Py

Re: [Python-Dev] Spreading the Python 3 religion (was Re: PEP 414 - Unicode Literals for Python 3)

2012-02-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Feb 28, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: >Well, when the code is committed I will update the porting HOWTO and push >the __future__ imports first since they cover more versions of Python (i.e. >Python 3.2). But I will mention the options that skip the __future__ >imports for those that ch

Re: [Python-Dev] Spreading the Python 3 religion (was Re: PEP 414 - Unicode Literals for Python 3)

2012-02-28 Thread Brett Cannon
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 09:53, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Feb 28, 2012, at 08:41 AM, R. David Murray wrote: > > >Hmm. It seems to me that this argument implies that PEP 414 is just > >as likely to *slow down* adoption of Python3 as it is to speed it up, > >since if this issue is as big a barrier a

[Python-Dev] Spreading the Python 3 religion (was Re: PEP 414 - Unicode Literals for Python 3)

2012-02-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Feb 28, 2012, at 08:41 AM, R. David Murray wrote: >Hmm. It seems to me that this argument implies that PEP 414 is just >as likely to *slow down* adoption of Python3 as it is to speed it up, >since if this issue is as big a barrier as indicated, many potential >porters may choose to wait until