Re: [Python-Dev] Status of the built-in virtualenv functionality in 3.3

2011-10-07 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, I too prefer venv (module) and pyvenv (script). Regards ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of the built-in virtualenv functionality in 3.3

2011-10-06 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On Oct 06, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Carl Meyer wrote: > >>I still think 'venv' is preferable to any of the other options proposed >>thus far. > > It's also nicely unique for googling.  Funnily eno

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of the built-in virtualenv functionality in 3.3

2011-10-06 Thread Greg Ewing
Lennart Regebro wrote: +1 for env or sandbox or something else with "box" in it. Eggbox? Eggcrate? Incubator? -- Greg ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.pytho

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of the built-in virtualenv functionality in 3.3

2011-10-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Oct 06, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Carl Meyer wrote: >I still think 'venv' is preferable to any of the other options proposed >thus far. It's also nicely unique for googling. Funnily enough, the top hit right now for 'venv' is apparently Lua's project

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of the built-in virtualenv functionality in 3.3

2011-10-06 Thread Carl Meyer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/06/2011 12:12 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > sandbox is a bit close to Victor's pysandbox for restricted execution > environments. > > 'nest' would probably work, although I don't recall the 'egg' > nomenclature featuring heavily in the current zipim

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of the built-in virtualenv functionality in 3.3

2011-10-06 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Oct 06, 2011, at 06:04 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > >>On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 12:02:05 -0400 >>Barry Warsaw wrote: >>> >>> >The first part is implemented in CPython; the second part needs a module >>> >name to replace virtualenv.  python -m pyth

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of the built-in virtualenv functionality in 3.3

2011-10-06 Thread Vinay Sajip
Éric Araujo netwok.org> writes: > Oh, let’s not forget naming. We can’t reuse the module name virtualenv > as it would shadow the third-party module name, and I’m not fond of > “virtualize”: it brings OS-level virtualization to my mind, not isolated > Python environments. Another possible name

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of the built-in virtualenv functionality in 3.3

2011-10-06 Thread Paul Moore
On 6 October 2011 17:02, Barry Warsaw wrote: > I don't particularly like the -m interface though.  Yes, it should work, but I > also think there should be a command that basically wraps whatever the -m > invocation is, just for user friendliness. No problem with a wrapper, but the nice thing abou

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of the built-in virtualenv functionality in 3.3

2011-10-06 Thread Georg Brandl
On 10/06/11 18:02, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Oct 06, 2011, at 05:46 PM, Éric Araujo wrote: > >>Le 06/10/2011 17:31, Barry Warsaw a écrit : >>> I agree we can't use virtualenv, and shouldn't use virtualize. I'm afraid >>> that picking something cute might make it harder to discover. `pythonv` or >

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of the built-in virtualenv functionality in 3.3

2011-10-06 Thread PJ Eby
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > Well, I have to be honest, I've *always* thought "nest" would be a good > choice > for a feature like this, but years ago (IIRC) PJE wanted to reserve that > term > for something else, which I'm not sure ever happened. > Actually, it was pre

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of the built-in virtualenv functionality in 3.3

2011-10-06 Thread Lennart Regebro
+1 for env or sandbox or something else with "box" in it. pythonbox? envbox? boxenv? ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/arch

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of the built-in virtualenv functionality in 3.3

2011-10-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Oct 06, 2011, at 06:04 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 12:02:05 -0400 >Barry Warsaw wrote: >> >> >The first part is implemented in CPython; the second part needs a module >> >name to replace virtualenv. python -m pythonv doesn’t seem right. >> >> Nope, although `python -m virt

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of the built-in virtualenv functionality in 3.3

2011-10-06 Thread Vinay Sajip
- Original Message - > I started to play with virtualenv recently and wondered about the status > of the similar feature in 3.3 (cpythonv).  The last thread mentioned two > bugs; one has been fixed since. The pythonv branch is pretty much up to date with the default branch (3.3). I regul

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of the built-in virtualenv functionality in 3.3

2011-10-06 Thread Carl Meyer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Éric, Vinay is more up to date than I am on the current status of the implementation. I need to update the PEP draft we worked on last spring and get it posted (the WIP is at https://bitbucket.org/carljm/pythonv-pep but is out of date with the late

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of the built-in virtualenv functionality in 3.3

2011-10-06 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 12:02:05 -0400 Barry Warsaw wrote: > > >The first part is implemented in CPython; the second part needs a module > >name to replace virtualenv. python -m pythonv doesn’t seem right. > > Nope, although `python -m virtualize` seems about perfect. `python -m sandbox` ? _

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of the built-in virtualenv functionality in 3.3

2011-10-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Oct 06, 2011, at 05:46 PM, Éric Araujo wrote: >Le 06/10/2011 17:31, Barry Warsaw a écrit : >> I agree we can't use virtualenv, and shouldn't use virtualize. I'm afraid >> that picking something cute might make it harder to discover. `pythonv` or >> `cpythonv` seem like good choices to me. Ma

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of the built-in virtualenv functionality in 3.3

2011-10-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 10:46, Éric Araujo wrote: > Le 06/10/2011 17:31, Barry Warsaw a écrit : >> I agree we can't use virtualenv, and shouldn't use virtualize.  I'm afraid >> that picking something cute might make it harder to discover.  `pythonv` or >> `cpythonv` seem like good choices to me.  M

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of the built-in virtualenv functionality in 3.3

2011-10-06 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 06/10/2011 17:31, Barry Warsaw a écrit : > I agree we can't use virtualenv, and shouldn't use virtualize. I'm afraid > that picking something cute might make it harder to discover. `pythonv` or > `cpythonv` seem like good choices to me. Maybe the former, so we could > potentially have jythonv

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of the built-in virtualenv functionality in 3.3

2011-10-06 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:06:17 -0500 Brian Curtin wrote: > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 09:12, Éric Araujo wrote: > > Oh, let’s not forget naming.  We can’t reuse the module name virtualenv > > as it would shadow the third-party module name, and I’m not fond of > > “virtualize”: it brings OS-level virtual

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of the built-in virtualenv functionality in 3.3

2011-10-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Oct 06, 2011, at 04:12 PM, Éric Araujo wrote: >I started to play with virtualenv recently and wondered about the status >of the similar feature in 3.3 (cpythonv). The last thread mentioned two >bugs; one has been fixed since. > >Apart from the implicit vs. explicit download of distribute, are

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of the built-in virtualenv functionality in 3.3

2011-10-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 09:12, Éric Araujo wrote: > Oh, let’s not forget naming.  We can’t reuse the module name virtualenv > as it would shadow the third-party module name, and I’m not fond of > “virtualize”: it brings OS-level virtualization to my mind, not isolated > Python environments. How ab

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of the built-in virtualenv functionality in 3.3

2011-10-06 Thread Christian Heimes
Am 06.10.2011 16:12, schrieb Éric Araujo: > Oh, let’s not forget naming. We can’t reuse the module name virtualenv > as it would shadow the third-party module name, and I’m not fond of > “virtualize”: it brings OS-level virtualization to my mind, not isolated > Python environments. How about clut

[Python-Dev] Status of the built-in virtualenv functionality in 3.3

2011-10-06 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, I started to play with virtualenv recently and wondered about the status of the similar feature in 3.3 (cpythonv). The last thread mentioned two bugs; one has been fixed since. Apart from the implicit vs. explicit download of distribute, are there design issues to discuss? Can we do that wi