Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-13 Thread Arash Ferdowsi
how about that py 2.5.2 release. anybody? =D On Jan 3, 2008 2:05 PM, Bill Janssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > 3.x fixes, because there's no schedule for 2.6. > > > > Eh? PEP 3000 has a schedule that includes 2.6: > > OK, no schedule that I knew about :-). I'll get back to work on it. > > Bil

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-06 Thread Scott David Daniels
Guido van Rossum wrote: > On Jan 5, 2008 2:36 PM, Christian Heimes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> A patch should contain edits for Misc/NEWS. Patches without >> documentation and NEWS updates costs the committer more time >> and reduces the likelihood of a commit. >> >> Even a perfect patch costs se

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-06 Thread Georg Brandl
Christian Heimes schrieb: > Mike Klaas wrote: >> Question: should patches include edits to whatsnew.rst, or is the >> committer responsible for adding a note? > > A patch should contain edits for Misc/NEWS. And documentation changes should include proper "versionchanged" or "versionadded" tags

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-05 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Jan 5, 2008 2:36 PM, Christian Heimes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mike Klaas wrote: > > Question: should patches include edits to whatsnew.rst, or is the > > committer responsible for adding a note? > > A patch should contain edits for Misc/NEWS. Patches without > documentation and NEWS updates

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-05 Thread Christian Heimes
Mike Klaas wrote: > Question: should patches include edits to whatsnew.rst, or is the > committer responsible for adding a note? A patch should contain edits for Misc/NEWS. Patches without documentation and NEWS updates costs the committer more time and reduces the likelihood of a commit. Even

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-05 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 11:45:34PM -0800, Mike Klaas wrote: > Question: should patches include edits to whatsnew.rst, or is the > committer responsible for adding a note? It's OK to submit or commit patches that don't update whatsnew.rst; I'll notice the checkin and decide whether to include the

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-04 Thread Mike Klaas
On 3-Jan-08, at 1:07 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > On Jan 3, 2008 11:49 AM, Fred Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Python 2.6 seems to be entirely targeted at people who really want to >> be on Python 3, but have code that will need to be ported. I >> certainly don't view it as interesting i

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-04 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> Now thinking of how to produce this relationships, I think that I will > change my approach to the issues. I'll start to be more aggressive > when reviewing a patch or bug. Aggressive in the sense of > asking/commenting/proposing even if I don't get the full grasp of the > issue. This could lead

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-04 Thread Facundo Batista
2008/1/3, Titus Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The question is, is reviewing patches a good place to contribute? Also, > if I (and others) could have a "core mentor" with commit access, that > might streamline things. As it is, I am worried that patch reviews will For a core_mentor/padawan (wink)

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-04 Thread Brett Cannon
On Jan 3, 2008 5:24 PM, Titus Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 03:24:16PM -0500, Joseph Armbruster wrote: > -> Having a "core mentor" would be great but do they really have time for > -> that? I've been lucky at finding people in #python / #python-dev) that can > -> answe

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-03 Thread Titus Brown
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 03:24:16PM -0500, Joseph Armbruster wrote: -> Having a "core mentor" would be great but do they really have time for -> that? I've been lucky at finding people in #python / #python-dev) that can -> answer development inquiries (or at least verify something is or is not a ->

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-03 Thread Titus Brown
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 09:55:44PM +0100, Christian Heimes wrote: -> Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: -> > You don't put the bar high for newbies on the Python project eh? :) -> > -> > I am assumign that most of those contributions code-wise need a fair amount of -> > knowledge of Python's in

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-03 Thread Titus Brown
-> > Incidentally, I'm planning to set up an SVK repos containing the GHOP -> > doc patches; that way they can stay sync'ed with 2.6 work. I'd be happy -> > to do the same thing with reviewed-and-probably-OK patches, although I -> > don't know if repository proliferation is a generally good idea ;

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-03 Thread Bill Janssen
> > 3.x fixes, because there's no schedule for 2.6. > > Eh? PEP 3000 has a schedule that includes 2.6: OK, no schedule that I knew about :-). I'll get back to work on it. Bill ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/ma

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-03 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Jan 3, 2008 12:17 PM, Bill Janssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My main gripe is with code contributions to Py3k and 2.6; Py3k is > > mostly done by a handful of people, and almost nobody is working much > > on 2.6. > > There's a great Duke Ellington quote: ``Without a deadline, baby, I > woul

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-03 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Jan 3, 2008 12:17 PM, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -On [20080103 20:39], Guido van Rossum ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >My main gripe is with code contributions to Py3k and 2.6; Py3k is > >mostly done by a handful of people, and almost nobody is working much > >on 2

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-03 Thread Martin v. Löwis
> The question is, is reviewing patches a good place to contribute? Also, > if I (and others) could have a "core mentor" with commit access, that > might streamline things. As it is, I am worried that patch reviews will > pass through the ether without leaving a visible trace; that's OK and > und

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-03 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Jan 3, 2008 11:49 AM, Fred Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For those of us still using Python 2.4 and earlier, it's hard to be > motivated to worry about Python 3.0, no matter how wonderful it > looks. (It doesn't help that my own available time appears to > decrease daily with the kids and

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-03 Thread Christian Heimes
Joseph Armbruster wrote: > With respects to the bug tracker, when I select Search and Python 2.6, I > retrieved 208 open bugs. At a quick glance, I found two that were windows, > but not tagged appropriately. If it's worthwhile, I can spend some time > this evening browsing the list of current 2.

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-03 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 02:49:27PM -0500, Fred Drake wrote: > Python 2.6 seems to be entirely targeted at people who really want to > be on Python 3, but have code that will need to be ported. I > certainly don't view it as interesting in its own right. The bulk of the *language* changes in 2

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-03 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Jan 3, 2008 11:40 AM, Titus Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 11:15:04AM -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote: > -> We're getting a fair number of doc contributions, especially since the > -> docs were converted from Latex to ReST, and especially since the start > -> of the GHO

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-03 Thread Christian Heimes
Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: > You don't put the bar high for newbies on the Python project eh? :) > > I am assumign that most of those contributions code-wise need a fair amount of > knowledge of Python's internals? It's neither impossible nor too hard to get involved. I got from "haven'

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-03 Thread Joseph Armbruster
Titus, Having a "core mentor" would be great but do they really have time for that? I've been lucky at finding people in #python / #python-dev) that can answer development inquiries (or at least verify something is or is not a bug). With respects to the bug tracker, when I select Search and Pyth

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-03 Thread Bill Janssen
> My main gripe is with code contributions to Py3k and 2.6; Py3k is > mostly done by a handful of people, and almost nobody is working much > on 2.6. There's a great Duke Ellington quote: ``Without a deadline, baby, I wouldn't do nothing.'' The SSL code in 2.6 is out-of-date (buggy) compared to t

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-03 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven
-On [20080103 20:39], Guido van Rossum ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >My main gripe is with code contributions to Py3k and 2.6; Py3k is >mostly done by a handful of people, and almost nobody is working much >on 2.6. You don't put the bar high for newbies on the Python project eh? :) I am assumign th

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-03 Thread Titus Brown
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 02:49:27PM -0500, Fred Drake wrote: -> On Jan 3, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: -> > My main gripe is with code contributions to Py3k and 2.6; Py3k is -> > mostly done by a handful of people, and almost nobody is working much -> > on 2.6. -> -> For those of us st

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-03 Thread Titus Brown
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 05:48:25PM -0200, Facundo Batista wrote: -> 2008/1/3, Titus Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: -> -> > What needs to be done with 2.6? I'm happy to review patches, although -> > even were commit access on offer I'm too scatterbrained to do a good job -> > of it. -> -> We have 109

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-03 Thread Fred Drake
On Jan 3, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > My main gripe is with code contributions to Py3k and 2.6; Py3k is > mostly done by a handful of people, and almost nobody is working much > on 2.6. For those of us still using Python 2.4 and earlier, it's hard to be motivated to worry about

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-03 Thread Facundo Batista
2008/1/3, Titus Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > What needs to be done with 2.6? I'm happy to review patches, although > even were commit access on offer I'm too scatterbrained to do a good job > of it. We have 109 patches open for 2.5 [1], and 118 patches open for 2.6 [2]. Note that the added numb

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-03 Thread Titus Brown
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 11:15:04AM -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote: -> We're getting a fair number of doc contributions, especially since the -> docs were converted from Latex to ReST, and especially since the start -> of the GHOP project. -> -> My main gripe is with code contributions to Py3k and 2

Re: [Python-Dev] Contributing to Python

2008-01-03 Thread Guido van Rossum
We're getting a fair number of doc contributions, especially since the docs were converted from Latex to ReST, and especially since the start of the GHOP project. My main gripe is with code contributions to Py3k and 2.6; Py3k is mostly done by a handful of people, and almost nobody is working much