Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:27:48 am Ludvig Ericson wrote:
On 12 nov 2009, at 14:38, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:44:32 pm Ludvig Ericson wrote:
Why are there comments on PyPI? Moreso, why are there comments
which I cannot control as a package
you were thinking wrong. If suppose this feature is introduced it doesn't
mean python will become batteries removed!
you can ship the python release with the 'standard library packages' already
installed.
so what we get here is batteries included and ability to be changed after it
is discharged!
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Kevin Teague ke...@bud.ca wrote:
It's also worth noting that there are three issues with respect to standard
library packaging which are all orthologous:
* Packaging for metadata: The standard library could be packaged so that
there is consistent metadata
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:08 AM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.dewrote:
I am not an expert, I am just another python learner. These are just my
views on the state of the standard libraries and to
make them state-of-the-art..! ;)
If I understand correctly, you want the (current) standard
On 13 Nov 2009, at 11:36 , Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
I think the recent postings on CPAN for Python in this list also stems
from similar thoughts.
No. The CPAN for Python messages (in and out of the list) are about third-party
packages and a better way to manage (and a better experience
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 18:00 +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info writes:
In my opinion, the community is best served by a good comment/review
system, one which avoids the worst trolling, and allows authors the
right of reply, but does not allow authors to
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as people like to compare languages take ruby for example (i am confident
that there will be no flame war here ;) )
we have PyPI
they have RAA
we have ?
they have rubyforge
i am seeing the rubyforge site now on my other tab, i find
Communications (365 projects)
Database (245 projects)
Desktop
http://pypi.python.org/pypi?%3Aaction=searchterm=librarysubmit=search
this lists all the packages with the term 'library' in it.
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Sriram Srinivasan wrote:
http://pypi.python.org/pypi?%3Aaction=searchterm=librarysubmit=search
http://pypi.python.org/pypi?%3Aaction=searchterm=librarysubmit=search
this lists all the packages with the term 'library' in it.
Sriram,
Please take this discussion to catalog-sig - python-dev
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:36:10 pm Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
It could be something as simple as a require keyword which could
pull in the depdencies if not found. Perhaps at the top of your
module,
require (stuff, '1.27')
import stuff
So Python, the *language*, has to become a
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.infowrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:36:10 pm Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
It could be something as simple as a require keyword which could
pull in the depdencies if not found. Perhaps at the top of your
module,
Sriram,
Please take this discussion to catalog-sig - python-dev isn't the place
(the fact that many of us didn't immediately know the *right* place for
the discussion indicates where PyPI sits on our personal active level of
interest).
You should find more interested (and knowledgable)
Sriram,
Please take this discussion to catalog-sig - python-dev isn't the place
(the fact that many of us didn't immediately know the *right* place for
the discussion indicates where PyPI sits on our personal active level of
interest).
You should find more interested (and knowledgable)
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
Ben Finney ben+python at benfinney.id.au writes:
There's a problem with the poll's placement: on the front page of the
PyPI website.
Speaking of which, why is it that http://pypi.python.org/pypi and
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On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 06:01, Mark Dickinson dicki...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, when running in some form of 'non-stop' mode, where (quiet) NaN
results are supposed to be propagated to the end of a computation, you
certainly want equality comparisons with nan just to silently return false.
E.g.,
2009/11/13 Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com:
I can see the information about the poll, and a link to view the
results, without logging in.
http://pypi.python.org/pypi
(second paragraph there). That paragraph tells you that you need to log
in to vote in the poll.
I don't want to create a
Ben Finney schrieb:
Michael Sparks spark...@gmail.com writes:
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:44 AM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au
wrote:
So, the poll's audience is limited to those who visit the front page
(which is hardly ever necessary for package maintainers), and those
who
Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
Because I want to wait for the outcome of the poll first.
The pypi front page says:
| The poll will be closed on December 1, 2009. The option that receives
| most votes will be implemented.
As I write, the option with the most votes is /Allow both
Matthew Woodcraft matthew at woodcraft.me.uk writes:
It seems clear to me that, given those figures, allowing comments would
not be following the result of the vote.
So I think that simply implementing the option that receives most votes
is not a wise plan.
Can we defer any further
Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com writes:
By the way, there's no way for me to vote that I don't care what
option ends up being chosen, but I strongly oppose choosing something
that would tend to make developers avoid using PyPI.
There's also no option to vote that decisions on how to manage
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Adam Olsen rha...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 06:01, Mark Dickinson dicki...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, when running in some form of 'non-stop' mode, where (quiet) NaN
results are supposed to be propagated to the end of a computation, you
certainly want
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Mark Dickinson dicki...@gmail.com wrote:
And they do: nan != 0 returns False. Maybe I'm missing your point
here?
Aargh! True! I meant to say True!
Mark
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On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 14:52, Mark Dickinson dicki...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Mark Dickinson dicki...@gmail.com wrote:
And they do: nan != 0 returns False. Maybe I'm missing your point
here?
Aargh! True! I meant to say True!
Huh. Somewhere along the line I
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 08:43:25AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
There's also no option to vote that decisions on how to manage Python
infrastructure (like PyPI) shouldn't be made by popular vote.
If the open source approach of 'the maintainer decides' is followed,
well, both the maintainer of the
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
By the way, there's no way for me to vote that I don't care what
option ends up being chosen, but I strongly oppose choosing something
that would tend to make developers avoid using PyPI.
I think the damage has already been
A.M. Kuchling schrieb:
If the open source approach of 'the maintainer decides' is followed,
well, both the maintainer of the code and the admin of the site is
Martin. Comments stay, then.
If 'BDFL decides' is followed, GvR thinks the idea is reasonable
A.M. Kuchling a...@amk.ca writes:
If popular vote is ruled out, I don't see who else could possibly make
the decision to disable comments and/or ratings.
Reasoned argument with the person who decides. A bad idea with many
people's support is still a bad idea; a good idea with few people's
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:57:18 am Ben Finney wrote:
A.M. Kuchling a...@amk.ca writes:
If popular vote is ruled out, I don't see who else could possibly
make the decision to disable comments and/or ratings.
Reasoned argument with the person who decides. A bad idea with many
people's support
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:17:40 am Jacob Kaplan-Moss wrote:
This poll business is just smoke and mirrors, anyway -- notice the
way the no comments votors are split among three choices, while the
pro comments voters have just two choices.
What?
Allow ratings and comments on all packages (status
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:34:32 am Matthew Woodcraft wrote:
As I write, the option with the most votes is /Allow both ratings and
comments/.
But between them, /Disallow comments/ and /Disallow both ratings and
comments/ have more votes.
If that's an accurate characterisation, then things must
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:19:17 am Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:17:40 am Jacob Kaplan-Moss wrote:
This poll business is just smoke and mirrors, anyway -- notice
the way the no comments votors are split among three choices,
while the pro comments voters have just two choices.
Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote:
Why do you think it is okay to combine the Disallow vote, without also
combining the Allow vote? Less than a third of the total votes are in
favour of disallowing comments, with two-thirds in favour of allowing
them.
I don't. I was giving one
Martin v. Löwis martin at v.loewis.de writes:
The buildbots still show occasional oddities. For example, right now in
the page http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/3.x/;, some results have
disappeared (the columns for AMD64 Ubuntu builders have become empty).
Yes, I noticed it too. It
[We really should be discussing this on catalog-sig, but moving things
mid-thread never works, so here we go. I apologize to python-dev. I also
apologize for the length.]
On 2009-11-13 17:18 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:57:18 am Ben Finney wrote:
A.M. Kuchlinga...@amk.ca
Frankly, I agree with him. As implemented, I *and others* think this
is broken. I've taken the stance of not publishing things to PyPi
until A I find the time to contribute to make it better or B It
changes.
Barry That's distressing. For better or worse PyPI is the
Matthew Woodcraft wrote:
Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote:
Why do you think it is okay to combine the Disallow vote, without also
combining the Allow vote? Less than a third of the total votes are in
favour of disallowing comments, with two-thirds in favour of allowing
them.
I
Jacob Kaplan-Moss wrote:
that obscures the real debate. Regardless of the outcome, the poll's
not going to change anyone's mind, and it certainly won't change the
fact that PyPI's being run as a one-man show, not as a community
resource.
While I may not agree on his choices regarding comments
Jesse I don't want us to impersonate the mindless, sub-useful drivel
Jesse found in App store/YouTube/etc comments 99% of the time or the
Jesse broken 5 star ratings systems, etc. It's too easy to game.
I implemented a 5-star system for Musi-Cal back in the day. Now,
admittedly,
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
That's three choices for allowing comments, two for disallowing.
Sorry, I should have been more explicit:
The first choice makes comments compulsory. In other words, comments are
allowed.
The second choice makes comments optional. Whether it is opt-in or
opt-out,
Chris Withers chris at simplistix.co.uk writes:
PS: While I'm sure a lot of python-dev people are interested in this
topic, I'm pretty sure this whole huge sprawling thread belongs on
catalog-sig...
Yes, please :)
Antoine.
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While working with the Windows (and now Windows 7) build slaves I've
been noticing that a number of unexpected test skips are occurring,
mostly for external modules like ssl, bz2, tk, etc...
However, I know for a fact that those libraries are being fetched and
built, so I was a little perplexed
Guido Of course, as a user, I might not trust a module that has no
Guido reviews or ratings.
I suspect the vast majority of projects will never acquire ratings or
reviews.
Skip
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On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk wrote:
PS: While I'm sure a lot of python-dev people are interested in this topic,
I'm pretty sure this whole huge sprawling thread belongs on catalog-sig...
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Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info writes:
But for the life of me, I can't understand the 1/3 of the votes that
have been cast in favour of prohibiting comments for everybody, even
those who want comments.
You gave reason (and I agree with you) for why, on a service that
allows comments
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 at 00:09, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
Martin v. L??wis martin at v.loewis.de writes:
The buildbots still show occasional oddities. For example, right now in
the page http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/3.x/;, some results have
disappeared (the columns for AMD64 Ubuntu builders
David Bolen db3l@gmail.com writes:
(...)
I would have sworn they used to get run, but now I'm not so sure.
Perhaps I'm remembering older Python releases with VS.NET 2003, since
the MSVC9 versions of the CRT and the SXS stuff was new with VS 2008 I
think.
Does anyone happen to know if
R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com writes:
The buildbot pages appear to be pretty messed up now. I get many 404s
(ex: the above url, the all stable builders page), although some seem to
work (ex: the all builders page), and if I stick an 'all' into the URL
for my buildbot page I can get
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