Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-12 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 22:28:49 -0400 "R. David Murray" wrote: > On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 13:49:54 +1200, Ben Hoyt wrote: > > I guess it has to be dropped at some stage, but with Windows XP it's a case > > of "XP is dead. Long live XP!" There are still an awful lot of XP boxes out > > there, and I'd kind

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-12 Thread Christian Heimes
Am 12.07.2013 03:49, schrieb Ben Hoyt: > I guess it has to be dropped at some stage, but with Windows XP it's a > case of "XP is dead. Long live XP!" There are still an awful lot of XP > boxes out there, and I'd kind hate to see support dropped completely. We > still use it here at home. > > Wikip

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-12 Thread Michael Urman
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Christian Heimes wrote: > For Python 3.4 is going to be a very close call. According to PEP 429 > 3.4.0 final is scheduled for February 22, 2014. The extended support > phase of Windows XP ends merely 45 days later on April 8, 2014. Do we > really have to restrict

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-12 Thread Guido van Rossum
You underestimate the reach of XP. For older or underpowered hardware outside the developed world it is still the de facto choice. And it definitely is the best version of Windows ever. None of the Win98 crap and none of the Vista junk. Telling people to go install Ubuntu is not really fair if oth

[Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2013-07-12 Thread Python tracker
ACTIVITY SUMMARY (2013-07-05 - 2013-07-12) Python tracker at http://bugs.python.org/ To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue. Do NOT respond to this message. Issues counts and deltas: open4067 ( -5) closed 26140 (+74) total 30207 (+69) Open issues wit

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4 and Windows XP: just 45 days until EOL

2013-07-12 Thread Glenn Linderman
On 7/12/2013 8:50 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: You underestimate the reach of XP. For older or underpowered hardware outside the developed world it is still the de facto choice. And it definitely is the best version of Windows ever. None of the Win98 crap and none of the Vista junk. Telling

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 446: Add new parameters to configure the inherance of files and for non-blocking sockets

2013-07-12 Thread Cameron Simpson
Sorry for the delay; work got in the way. On 07Jul2013 15:21, Victor Stinner wrote: | Ok, I think that the best consensus here is to add a new | os.set_blocking() function. The function would not be available on | Windows, but should be available on all UNIX platforms. Thanks. | See the diff: |

Re: [Python-Dev] PLY in stdlib (was cffi in stdlib)

2013-07-12 Thread Eric Snow
On Feb 27, 2013 4:31 AM, "Michael Foord" wrote: > > > On 27 Feb 2013, at 11:00, David Beazley wrote: > > >> > >> From: Eli Bendersky > >> > >> I'll be the first one to admit that pycparser is almost certainly not > >> generally useful enough to be exposed in the stdlib. So just using it as an >

Re: [Python-Dev] PLY in stdlib (was cffi in stdlib)

2013-07-12 Thread Terry Reedy
On 7/13/2013 12:10 AM, Eric Snow wrote: On Feb 27, 2013 4:31 AM, "Michael Foord" > +1 PLY is capable and well tried-and-tested. We used it in Resolver One to implement a pretty large grammar and it is (in my opinion) best of breed in the Python parser generator world. Being stable and widely

Re: [Python-Dev] PLY in stdlib (was cffi in stdlib)

2013-07-12 Thread Jeremy Dunck
David Beasley; see earlier in this same thread: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2013-February/thread.html#124389 On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 7/13/2013 12:10 AM, Eric Snow wrote: > >> >> On Feb 27, 2013 4:31 AM, "Michael Foord" > > > > +1 PLY is capab

[Python-Dev] Doubt about closure/function generation in bytecode

2013-07-12 Thread Andrea Griffini
Is there any semantic difference between BUILD_TUPLE 0 LOAD_CONST MAKE_CLOSURE 0 and LOAD_CONST MAKE_FUNCTION 0 ? In other words is there any difference between a function and a closure that doesn't capture anything? Is it just a speed optimization for a common case? And