Re: [Python-Dev] updating ensurepip to include wheel

2015-08-06 Thread Robert Collins
On 6 August 2015 at 15:04, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 August 2015 at 09:29, Victor Stinner victor.stin...@gmail.com wrote: Le 5 août 2015 17:12, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com a écrit : A hard dependency on wheel wouldn't fit into the same category - when folks are using a

[Python-Dev] Bitbucket mirror is out-of-date

2015-08-06 Thread Larry Hastings
Bitbucket has a mirror of cpython, here: https://bitbucket.org/mirror/cpython It was last updated on May 7 and still says it's Python 3.5.0a4. It's not clear to me who owns the mirror account--is it Atlassian themselves? Anyway it'd be nice if it were, y'know, fresher. //arry/

Re: [Python-Dev] updating ensurepip to include wheel

2015-08-06 Thread Robert Collins
On 7 August 2015 at 03:28, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote: On Aug 6, 2015, at 5:04 AM, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: Yes: but the logic chain from 'its a bad idea' to 'we don't include wheel but we do include setuptools' is the bit I'm having a hard time with. In

Re: [Python-Dev] updating ensurepip to include wheel

2015-08-06 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 6 August 2015 at 19:04, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: On 6 August 2015 at 15:04, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: When I consider the harm to a production pipeline that using setuptools can cause (in that it triggers easy_install, and easy_install has AFAIK none of

Re: [Python-Dev] updating ensurepip to include wheel

2015-08-06 Thread Donald Stufft
On Aug 6, 2015, at 5:04 AM, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: Yes: but the logic chain from 'its a bad idea' to 'we don't include wheel but we do include setuptools' is the bit I'm having a hard time with. In my opinion, it’s the severity of how crippled their experience is