Re: [Python-Dev] configuring the buildbot to skip some tests?
Bill Janssen wrote: I've got parc-tiger-1 up and running again. It's failing on test_tk, which makes sense, because it's running as a background twisted process, and thus can't access the window server. It doesn't really make sense. It should skip the test, instead of failing it. I.e. aborting the Python process is definitely not a good response. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Possible patch for functools partial - Interested?
I'm never certain where to reply in such a case, on the list or on the
issue, but since no one is nosy yet to Daniel's patch, I thought I'd ask
here.
While a partial object should reasonably never change, you could change it:
from functools import partial
p = partial(lambda *a, **kw: kw, 1, 2, spam='eggs')
p()
{'spam': 'eggs'}
p.keywords['spam'] = 'bacon'
p()
{'spam': 'bacon'}
I realize touching p.keywords voids your warranty, but if we can stop people
from doing it, maybe we should (or at least put a warning in the
documentation, no?). So I'm thinking either we make an immutable/hashable
dict while we're at it, or store the keyword arguments as a tuple (which
guarantees immutability), and only convert them back to a dict when you want
to call the partial object (simpler, slower).
Your thoughts? Should we continue this discussion at issue8699?
- Yaniv
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 1:11 AM, Daniel Urban urban.d...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 17:02, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
It would be more useful to provide equality, hashing and repr to partial
itself,
rather than a subclass. Feel free to propose a patch :)
Hi!
I've done that.
I've opened a feature request: http://bugs.python.org/issue8699
The patch is also at Rietveld: http://codereview.appspot.com/1179044
I'm a beginner, so my patch is probably far from perfect, but I'd
appreciate any help, and will try to correct my mistakes.
Thanks,
Daniel Urban
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Re: [Python-Dev] configuring the buildbot to skip some tests?
Bill Janssen wrote: I've got parc-tiger-1 up and running again. It's failing on test_tk, which makes sense, because it's running as a background twisted process, and thus can't access the window server. I should configure that out. I'm looking for documentation on how to configure the build slave so that it skips this test. It may be better to try to detect the no window server case and skip it in the test itself rather than in the build slave configuration. Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncogh...@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia --- ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Possible patch for functools partial - Interested?
On Thu, 13 May 2010 06:50:02 pm Yaniv Aknin wrote:
I'm never certain where to reply in such a case, on the list or on
the issue, but since no one is nosy yet to Daniel's patch, I thought
I'd ask here.
While a partial object should reasonably never change, you could
change it:
[...]
I realize touching p.keywords voids your warranty, but if we can stop
people from doing it, maybe we should (or at least put a warning in
the documentation, no?).
Modifying partial.keywords will almost certainly effect hashing, so I
think this is relevant to the patch.
So I'm thinking either we make an
immutable/hashable dict while we're at it, or store the keyword
arguments as a tuple (which guarantees immutability), and only
convert them back to a dict when you want to call the partial object
(simpler, slower).
I'd support an immutable dict. partial objects already impose a
significant (~ 30%) performance penalty:
from timeit import Timer
min(Timer('f(5)', 'f = lambda x: x').repeat())
0.93580079078674316
min(Timer('p(5)', 'from functools import partial; p = partial(lambda
x: x)').repeat())
1.2715129852294922
No need to make that worse if that can be avoided.
--
Steven D'Aprano
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Re: [Python-Dev] Possible patch for functools partial - Interested?
While a partial object should reasonably never change, you could change it:
from functools import partial
p = partial(lambda *a, **kw: kw, 1, 2, spam='eggs')
p()
{'spam': 'eggs'}
p.keywords['spam'] = 'bacon'
p()
{'spam': 'bacon'}
I realize touching p.keywords voids your warranty, but if we can stop people
from doing it, maybe we should (or at least put a warning in the
documentation, no?). So I'm thinking either we make an immutable/hashable
dict while we're at it, or store the keyword arguments as a tuple (which
guarantees immutability), and only convert them back to a dict when you want
to call the partial object (simpler, slower).
You're right. I think it is possible to stop people from modifying
p.keywords. If p.keywords wouldn't be a dict, but a read-only proxy
for that dict, that may solve this problem. I think that is possible,
with PyDictProxy_New [1]. But I'm not certain if that is a good idea,
it may have side effects I'm not aware of. Any thoughts about this?
Your thoughts? Should we continue this discussion at issue8699?
I don't know, I'm new here...
[1] http://docs.python.org/py3k/c-api/dict.html#PyDictProxy_New
Thanks,
Daniel Urban
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Re: [Python-Dev] configuring the buildbot to skip some tests?
On 03:17 am, jans...@parc.com wrote: I've got parc-tiger-1 up and running again. It's failing on test_tk, which makes sense, because it's running as a background twisted process, and thus can't access the window server. I should configure that out. You can run it in an xvfb. Jean-Paul ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] configuring the buildbot to skip some tests?
I've got parc-tiger-1 up and running again. It's failing on test_tk, which makes sense, because it's running as a background twisted process, and thus can't access the window server. I should configure that out. I'm looking for documentation on how to configure the build slave so that it skips this test. It may be better to try to detect the no window server case and skip it in the test itself rather than in the build slave configuration. Even better would be if Python wouldn't crash when you try to run Tk commands without a window server. Instead of aborting Python, that should raise an exception (which can then be detected as a test skip). Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] configuring the buildbot to skip some tests?
exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 03:17 am, jans...@parc.com wrote: I've got parc-tiger-1 up and running again. It's failing on test_tk, which makes sense, because it's running as a background twisted process, and thus can't access the window server. I should configure that out. You can run it in an xvfb. But that's beside the point! The slave configuration detected a bug in Python, so rather than working around the bug by modifying the slave configuration, the bug should get fixed. Of course, the slave is then useless until somebody contributes such a fix. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] configuring the buildbot to skip some tests?
On 13 May 2010 15:43, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Of course, the slave is then useless until somebody contributes such a fix. That's the sad part. If there was a means of temporarily marking the test on a particular slave as a known issue, it would avoid a single bug rendering a buildslave useless... (Having said that, a similar situation with my buildslave prompted me to spend the time fixing the bug so I didn't have to keep restarting the slave, so maybe it's a good thing after all :-)) Paul. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
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(Having said that, a similar situation with my buildslave prompted me to spend the time fixing the bug so I didn't have to keep restarting the slave, so maybe it's a good thing after all :-)) Indeed. More generally, I'd question the point of automated testing if people try to work around serious problems rather than fixing them. And an interpreter crash in the test suite *is* a serious problem, IMO. Of course, it may turn out to be an unfixable Tcl or Apple bug, in which case working around would become more interesting. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] configuring the buildbot to skip some tests?
Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Bill Janssen wrote: I've got parc-tiger-1 up and running again. It's failing on test_tk, which makes sense, because it's running as a background twisted process, and thus can't access the window server. It doesn't really make sense. It should skip the test, instead of failing it. I.e. aborting the Python process is definitely not a good response. Yes, you're right. It's a bug in the test. Bill ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] configuring the buildbot to skip some tests?
On May 13, 2010, at 9:41 AM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 03:17 am, jans...@parc.com wrote: I've got parc-tiger-1 up and running again. It's failing on test_tk, which makes sense, because it's running as a background twisted process, and thus can't access the window server. I should configure that out. You can run it in an xvfb. See http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/builders/PPC%20Tiger%20trunk/builds/7/steps/test/logs/stdio: this isn't an X server that he's talking about, it's WindowServer, the OS X windowing system, so Xvfb won't help.___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] configuring the buildbot to skip some tests?
exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 03:17 am, jans...@parc.com wrote: I've got parc-tiger-1 up and running again. It's failing on test_tk, which makes sense, because it's running as a background twisted process, and thus can't access the window server. I should configure that out. You can run it in an xvfb. I don't think that would work -- it's a Mac. Bill ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 7 updated
Feel free to look at Misc/Vim/python.vim and see if this works better than what is already there. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 20:47, Trent Nelson tr...@snakebite.org wrote: Does anyone know of a way to teach vim that C sources in a python checkout should have 4-space indents without changing the defaults for other C files? I use this in my vimrc: indentation: use detectindent plugin if possible set autoindent set smartindent try let g:detectindent_preferred_expandtab = 1 let g:detectindent_preferred_tabsize = 8 let g:detectindent_preferred_indent = 4 source $VIMRUNTIME/plugin/detectindent.vim au BufNewFile,BufRead * .* DetectIndent catch set smarttab set expandtab set tabstop=8 set shiftwidth=4 set softtabstop=4 set textwidth=80 endtry *** And this is plugin/detectindent.vim: Name: detectindent (global plugin) Version: 1.0 Author: Ciaran McCreesh ciaranm at gentoo.org Updates: http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm/vim/ Purpose: Detect file indent settings License: You may redistribute this plugin under the same terms as Vim itself. Usage: :DetectIndent to prefer expandtab to noexpandtab when detection is impossible: :let g:detectindent_preferred_expandtab = 1 to set a preferred indent level when detection is impossible: :let g:detectindent_preferred_indent = 4 Requirements: Untested on Vim versions below 6.2 fun! SIDIsCommentStart(line) comments isn't reliable if ft == c || ft == cpp return -1 != match(a:line, '/\*') else return 0 endif endfun fun! SIDIsCommentEnd(line) if ft == c || ft == cpp return -1 != match(a:line, '\*/') else return 0 endif endfun fun! SIDDetectIndent() let l:has_leading_tabs = 0 let l:has_leading_spaces = 0 let l:shortest_leading_spaces_run = 0 let l:longest_leading_spaces_run = 0 let l:idx_end = line($) let l:idx = 1 while l:idx = l:idx_end let l:line = getline(l:idx) try to skip over comment blocks, they can give really screwy indent settings in c/c++ files especially if SIDIsCommentStart(l:line) while l:idx = l:idx_end ! SIDIsCommentEnd(l:line) let l:line = getline(l:idx) let l:idx = l:idx + 1 endwhile let l:idx = l:idx + 1 continue endif let l:leading_char = strpart(l:line, 0, 1) if l:leading_char == \t let l:has_leading_tabs = 1 elseif l:leading_char == only interested if we don't have a run of spaces followed by a tab. if -1 == match(l:line, '^ \+\t') let l:has_leading_spaces = 1 let l:spaces = strlen(matchstr(l:line, '^ \+')) if l:shortest_leading_spaces_run == 0 || \ l:spaces l:shortest_leading_spaces_run let l:shortest_leading_spaces_run = l:spaces endif if l:spaces l:longest_leading_spaces_run let l:longest_leading_spaces_run = l:spaces endif endif endif let l:idx = l:idx + 1 endwhile if l:has_leading_tabs ! l:has_leading_spaces tabs only, no spaces set noexpandtab if exists(g:detectindent_preferred_tabsize) let shiftwidth = g:detectindent_preferred_indent let tabstop = g:detectindent_preferred_indent endif elseif l:has_leading_spaces ! l:has_leading_tabs spaces only, no tabs set expandtab let shiftwidth = l:shortest_leading_spaces_run elseif l:has_leading_spaces l:has_leading_tabs spaces and tabs set noexpandtab let shiftwidth = l:shortest_leading_spaces_run , time to guess how big tabs are if l:longest_leading_spaces_run 2 let tabstop = 2 elseif l:longest_leading_spaces_run 4 let tabstop = 4 else let tabstop = 8 endif else no spaces, no tabs if exists(g:detectindent_preferred_tabsize) let shiftwidth = g:detectindent_preferred_indent let tabstop = g:detectindent_preferred_indent endif if exists(g:detectindent_preferred_expandtab) set expandtab endif endif endfun command! -nargs=0 DetectIndent call SIDDetectIndent() ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org
Re: [Python-Dev] configuring the buildbot to skip some tests?
Bill Janssen wrote: Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Bill Janssen wrote: I've got parc-tiger-1 up and running again. It's failing on test_tk, which makes sense, because it's running as a background twisted process, and thus can't access the window server. It doesn't really make sense. It should skip the test, instead of failing it. I.e. aborting the Python process is definitely not a good response. Yes, you're right. It's a bug in the test. No, I'd say it's even deeper, in the Tcl integration. There shouldn't be a way to cause an interpreter abort, except by calling os.abort(). Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] configuring the buildbot to skip some tests?
On 13 May, 2010, at 20:41, Martin v. Löwis wrote: Bill Janssen wrote: Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Bill Janssen wrote: I've got parc-tiger-1 up and running again. It's failing on test_tk, which makes sense, because it's running as a background twisted process, and thus can't access the window server. It doesn't really make sense. It should skip the test, instead of failing it. I.e. aborting the Python process is definitely not a good response. Yes, you're right. It's a bug in the test. No, I'd say it's even deeper, in the Tcl integration. There shouldn't be a way to cause an interpreter abort, except by calling os.abort(). This is a bug in Tk: root = Tkinter.Tk() Thu May 13 20:45:13 Rivendell.local python[84887] Error: kCGErrorFailure: Set a breakpoint @ CGErrorBreakpoint() to catch errors as they are logged. _RegisterApplication(), FAILED TO establish the default connection to the WindowServer, _CGSDefaultConnection() is NULL. 2010-05-13 20:45:16.751 Python[84887:d07] An uncaught exception was raised 2010-05-13 20:45:16.762 Python[84887:d07] Error (1002) creating CGSWindow 2010-05-13 20:45:16.955 Python[84887:d07] *** Terminating app due to uncaught exception 'NSInternalInconsistencyException', reason: 'Error (1002) creating CGSWindow' *** Call stack at first throw: ( 0 CoreFoundation 0x7fff85e31d24 __exceptionPreprocess + 180 1 libobjc.A.dylib 0x7fff86f3 objc_exception_throw + 45 2 CoreFoundation 0x7fff85e31b47 +[NSException raise:format:arguments:] + 103 3 CoreFoundation 0x7fff85e31ad4 +[NSException raise:format:] + 148 4 AppKit 0x7fff84614aba _NSCreateWindowWithOpaqueShape2 + 473 5 AppKit 0x7fff845a9055 -[NSWindow _commonAwake] + 1214 6 AppKit 0x7fff845c6d3d -[NSWindow _makeKeyRegardlessOfVisibility] + 96 7 AppKit 0x7fff845c6cb2 -[NSWindow makeKeyAndOrderFront:] + 24 8 Tk 0x00010075b86c XMapWindow + 155 9 Tk 0x0001006ca6d0 Tk_MapWindow + 89 10 Tk 0x0001006d35e6 TkToplevelWindowForCommand + 2658 11 Tcl 0x0001006300d3 TclServiceIdle + 76 12 Tcl 0x0001006162ce Tcl_DoOneEvent + 329 13 _tkinter.so 0x000100595683 Tkapp_CallDeallocArgs + 277 14 readline.so 0x0001001f1f9a initreadline + 1280 15 Python 0x000176a1 PyOS_Readline + 239 16 Python 0x00018a57 PyTokenizer_FromString + 1322 17 Python 0x000190a0 PyTokenizer_Get + 154 18 Python 0x00015698 PyParser_AddToken + 1018 19 Python 0x0001000a2320 PyParser_ASTFromFile + 146 20 Python 0x0001000a443f PyRun_InteractiveOneFlags + 345 21 Python 0x0001000a4615 PyRun_InteractiveLoopFlags + 206 22 Python 0x0001000a4685 PyRun_AnyFileExFlags + 76 23 Python 0x0001000b0286 Py_Main + 2718 24 Python 0x00010e6c start + 52 25 ??? 0x0001 0x0 + 1 ) terminate called after throwing an instance of 'NSException' Abort trap This is running /usr/bin/python in a session as a user that doesn't have access to the GUI. The text above says that there is an uncaught ObjC exception, caused by the lack of a connection to the window server. Tk should have converted that to its own style of errors but didn't. Bill: could you please file an issue for this in the python tracker, it should be possible to add a workaround for this to the Tkinter extension. Ronald smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] configuring the buildbot to skip some tests?
This is running /usr/bin/python in a session as a user that doesn't have access to the GUI. The text above says that there is an uncaught ObjC exception, caused by the lack of a connection to the window server. Tk should have converted that to its own style of errors but didn't. That makes sense to me; thanks for investigating it. If we are kind, we could also file a Tk bug, then. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] configuring the buildbot to skip some tests?
Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Bill Janssen wrote: Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Bill Janssen wrote: I've got parc-tiger-1 up and running again. It's failing on test_tk, which makes sense, because it's running as a background twisted process, and thus can't access the window server. It doesn't really make sense. It should skip the test, instead of failing it. I.e. aborting the Python process is definitely not a good response. Yes, you're right. It's a bug in the test. No, I'd say it's even deeper, in the Tcl integration. There shouldn't be a way to cause an interpreter abort, except by calling os.abort(). There are some cases where the OS X security mechanism interprets an invalid attempt to connect to the window server as a privilege violation, and just terminates the process. I've seen that before. This is basically a resource issue in the testing framework, too, like having network access. The problem is, for lot of external libraries, it's not clear just what resources they assume are available. If we believe that Tk doesn't intend to require access to the window server, it's a Tk bug. If we know that it does, it's a resource issue. Bill ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] configuring the buildbot to skip some tests?
Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Bill Janssen wrote: Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Bill Janssen wrote: I've got parc-tiger-1 up and running again. It's failing on test_tk, which makes sense, because it's running as a background twisted process, and thus can't access the window server. It doesn't really make sense. It should skip the test, instead of failing it. I.e. aborting the Python process is definitely not a good response. Yes, you're right. It's a bug in the test. No, I'd say it's even deeper, in the Tcl integration. There shouldn't be a way to cause an interpreter abort, except by calling os.abort(). Yes, I agree. It's an undesirable design bug in the Apple OS, IMO. When some Apple libraries ask for some things that they're not allowed to have, the library calls abort() instead of signalling an error. Google for FAILED TO GET ASN FROM CORESERVICES sometime. Bill ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] configuring the buildbot to skip some tests?
Martin v. Löwis wrote: I've got parc-tiger-1 up and running again. It's failing on test_tk, which makes sense, because it's running as a background twisted process, and thus can't access the window server. I should configure that out. I'm looking for documentation on how to configure the build slave so that it skips this test. It may be better to try to detect the no window server case and skip it in the test itself rather than in the build slave configuration. Even better would be if Python wouldn't crash when you try to run Tk commands without a window server. Instead of aborting Python, that should raise an exception (which can then be detected as a test skip). Yes, when I commented I didn't realise that failing in this case actually meant crashing :P Regards, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncogh...@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia --- ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] Possible patch for functools partial - Interested?
I wrote an e-mail yesterday, but it seems, it didn't reach python-dev.
Here it is again:
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 13:30, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote:
I'd support an immutable dict. partial objects already impose a
significant (~ 30%) performance penalty:
from timeit import Timer
min(Timer('f(5)', 'f = lambda x: x').repeat())
0.93580079078674316
min(Timer('p(5)', 'from functools import partial; p = partial(lambda
x: x)').repeat())
1.2715129852294922
No need to make that worse if that can be avoided.
I've made a new patch, in which the keywords attribute is a read-only
proxy of the dictionary. I've used your benchmark, and I haven't found
any significant difference in execution times.
The patch is in the tracker (http://bugs.python.org/issue8699) and
Rietveld (http://codereview.appspot.com/1179044).
Daniel Urban
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Re: [Python-Dev] configuring the buildbot to skip some tests?
Not to interrupt you you conversation but I am interested in setting up a buildbot on one of my Macs. Is there any documentations or advise that is different from that of a linux machine? Any advise would be appreciated. Thanks Vincent On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: Martin v. Löwis wrote: I've got parc-tiger-1 up and running again. It's failing on test_tk, which makes sense, because it's running as a background twisted process, and thus can't access the window server. I should configure that out. I'm looking for documentation on how to configure the build slave so that it skips this test. It may be better to try to detect the no window server case and skip it in the test itself rather than in the build slave configuration. Even better would be if Python wouldn't crash when you try to run Tk commands without a window server. Instead of aborting Python, that should raise an exception (which can then be detected as a test skip). Yes, when I commented I didn't realise that failing in this case actually meant crashing :P Regards, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncogh...@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia --- ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/vincent%40vincentdavis.net ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
