Re: [Python-Dev] Tracker BD Was:Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 23.09.2010 07:32, schrieb Jack Diederich: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Raymond Hettinger raymond.hettin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 22, 2010, at 6:24 PM, R. David Murray wrote: On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 19:18:35 -0400, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: deputed tracker authority/ies. Not

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Georg Brandl
That's right. It is true that it isn't branch-specific information, and that does cause a little bit of irritation for me too, but neither is Misc/developers.txt or Misc/maintainers.rst. Of course, we might consider a separate HG repository (I'm all in favor of many small repos, instead of a

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 23.09.2010 04:35, schrieb Steven D'Aprano: On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 10:18:39 am Tim Peters wrote: Yikes - Mark has done terrific work in some very demanding areas, I'd hate to see him feel unwelcome. So that's my advice: find a way to smooth this over. You're welcome ;-) I'd like to

Re: [Python-Dev] Tracker BD Was:Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Ned Deily
In article aanlkti=blcbdze7or7ynpnqcbmlxaeidhejerkxso...@mail.gmail.com, Jack Diederich jackd...@gmail.com wrote: Likewise for mailing list subscriptions. Personally I've gone back and forth between subscribing to everything (-list -dev -commits -bugs -ideas, et al) and subscribing to almost

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 08:40, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Of course, we might consider a separate HG repository (I'm all in favor of many small repos, instead of a gigantic sandbox one). +1. Cheers, Dirkjan ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
deputed tracker authority/ies. Not everyone has the same idea about how to handle the various fields and processes. Who decides in cases of disagreement? We discussed this a while back and I don't think we really have a tracker BD. Brett and Martin come closest, but mostly we just sort

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 23.09.2010 09:18, schrieb Martin v. Löwis: deputed tracker authority/ies. Not everyone has the same idea about how to handle the various fields and processes. Who decides in cases of disagreement? We discussed this a while back and I don't think we really have a tracker BD. Brett and

Re: [Python-Dev] Supporting raw bytes data in urllib.parse.* (was Re: Polymorphic best practices)

2010-09-23 Thread Baptiste Carvello
Stephen J. Turnbull a écrit : What really saves the day here is not that common encodings just don't do that. It's that even in the case where only syntactically significant bytes in the representation are URL-encoded, they *are* URL-encoded. As long as the parsing library restricts itself to

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Tim Golden
On 23/09/2010 09:46, Georg Brandl wrote: Am 23.09.2010 09:18, schrieb Martin v. Löwis: I personally think that the tracker fields and how they should be set is of minor importance. If there is a bug in Python, the most useful contribution is to submit a fix (or provide a rationale why this is

Re: [Python-Dev] Problems with hex-conversion functions

2010-09-23 Thread Ender Wiggin
Sorry for the late reply. I would really like to see this fixed. Or we [...] deprecate binascii.(un)hexlify(). ... binascii is the legacy approach here, so if anything was to go, those functions would be it ... I'm not entirely convinced binascii is the legacy approach. What makes this module

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Let me ask a question which I don't think has been asked in this thread: are there guidelines for tracker-trawlers? I'm never sure where to look for this kind of thing myself. If there's nothing, I'm happy to pen a dos-and-donts (which I might do anyway, simply as a blog entry...) Can you

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Tim Golden
On 23/09/2010 10:38, Martin v. Löwis wrote: Let me ask a question which I don't think has been asked in this thread: are there guidelines for tracker-trawlers? I'm never sure where to look for this kind of thing myself. If there's nothing, I'm happy to pen a dos-and-donts (which I might do

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:32:07 +0900 Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: Triaging and closing bug reports are not the only functions of the tracker, and in fact they are subsidiary to actual bug-fixing work. +1. What we really need is people analyzing issues, posting patches or

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:24:49 -0400 R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote: deputed tracker authority/ies. Not everyone has the same idea about how to handle the various fields and processes. Who decides in cases of disagreement? We discussed this a while back and I don't think we

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Fred Drake
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:40 AM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: That's right.  It is true that it isn't branch-specific information, and that does cause a little bit of irritation for me too, but neither is Misc/developers.txt or Misc/maintainers.rst. Agreed. I'd rather those were

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 00:29:51 -0400 Fred Drake fdr...@acm.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: the first thing on the agenda is a complete rewrite of the developer docs and moving them into the Doc/ directory I'd like to know why you think

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 23.09.2010 11:43, schrieb Tim Golden: On 23/09/2010 10:38, Martin v. Löwis wrote: Let me ask a question which I don't think has been asked in this thread: are there guidelines for tracker-trawlers? I'm never sure where to look for this kind of thing myself. If there's nothing, I'm happy to

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Michael Foord
On 23/09/2010 10:59, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:32:07 +0900 Stephen J. Turnbullstep...@xemacs.org wrote: Triaging and closing bug reports are not the only functions of the tracker, and in fact they are subsidiary to actual bug-fixing work. +1. What we really need is people

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Michael Foord
On 23/09/2010 11:11, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 00:29:51 -0400 Fred Drakefdr...@acm.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Brett Cannonbr...@python.org wrote: the first thing on the agenda is a complete rewrite of the developer docs and moving them into the Doc/

[Python-Dev] (no subject)

2010-09-23 Thread Ketan Vijayvargiya
Hi. I have an issue which has been annoying me from quite sometime and any help would be greatly appreciated: I just installed Python 2.6 on my centOS 5 system and then I installed nltk. Now I am running a certain python script and it gives me this error- ImportError: No module named _sqlite3

Re: [Python-Dev] (no subject)

2010-09-23 Thread Laurens Van Houtven
Hi! This mailing list is about developing Python itself, not about developing *in* Python or debugging Python installations. Try seeing help elsewhere, such as on the comp.lang.python newsgroup, #python IRC channel on freenode, or other sources (check the wiki if you need any others). Thanks,

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
make sure the issue is assigned to the right person if appropriate -1. We typically don't assign issues to others. add relevant keywords to make it easier to find in searches -0. Going through old issues just to make sure the keywords are right seems wasteful. ensure other fields in the

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Michael Foord
On 23/09/2010 13:11, Martin v. Löwis wrote: make sure the issue is assigned to the right person if appropriate -1. We typically don't assign issues to others. Some people have requested to be assigned to issues. (Myself for unittest, Ronald for Mac OS X issues etc.) add relevant keywords

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Jesse Noller
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:11 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 00:29:51 -0400 Fred Drake fdr...@acm.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: the first thing on the agenda is a complete rewrite of the developer docs

Re: [Python-Dev] (no subject)

2010-09-23 Thread Oleg Broytman
Hello. We are sorry but we cannot help you. This mailing list is to work on developing Python (adding new features to Python itself and fixing bugs); if you're having problems learning, understanding or using Python, please find another forum. Probably python-list/comp.lang.python mailing

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
add relevant keywords to make it easier to find in searches -0. Going through old issues just to make sure the keywords are right seems wasteful. Hard as it may be to believe, we do have (and are trying to cultivate) people who want to contribute to Python and start by searching for

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Tim Golden
On 23/09/2010 13:28, Martin v. Löwis wrote: add relevant keywords to make it easier to find in searches -0. Going through old issues just to make sure the keywords are right seems wasteful. Hard as it may be to believe, we do have (and are trying to cultivate) people who want to contribute

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: The practicality argument of being able to edit those docs without having to master a separate (pydotorg) workflow sounds quite strong to me. This is the key point for me. For developer controlled stuff, the easiest

Re: [Python-Dev] Tracker BD Was:Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Thomas Capricelli
On Thursday 23 September 2010 08:36:47 Georg Brandl wrote: This should be easy to do with a hg repo such as the test conversion one on hg.python.org -- the activity extension already does the graphing, and I'm sure it can easily be tweaked to your liking.

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sep 23, 2010, at 08:40 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: That's right. It is true that it isn't branch-specific information, and that does cause a little bit of irritation for me too, but neither is Misc/developers.txt or Misc/maintainers.rst. Of course, we might consider a separate HG repository (I'm

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2010/9/23 Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org: On Sep 23, 2010, at 08:40 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: That's right.  It is true that it isn't branch-specific information, and that does cause a little bit of irritation for me too, but neither is Misc/developers.txt or Misc/maintainers.rst. Of course, we

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Jesse Noller
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Sep 23, 2010, at 08:40 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: That's right.  It is true that it isn't branch-specific information, and that does cause a little bit of irritation for me too, but neither is Misc/developers.txt or

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread R. David Murray
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 23:35:02 +1000, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: The practicality argument of being able to edit those docs without having to master a separate (pydotorg) workflow sounds quite strong to me.

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Michael Foord
On 23/09/2010 15:16, R. David Murray wrote: On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 23:35:02 +1000, Nick Coghlanncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Antoine Pitrousolip...@pitrou.net wrote: The practicality argument of being able to edit those docs without having to master a separate

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 10:16:01 -0400 R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote: On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 23:35:02 +1000, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: The practicality argument of being able to edit those docs

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:16 AM, R. David Murray wrote: I'd *much* rather edit rst files than futz with a web interface when editing docs. The wiki also somehow feels less official. There are dvcs-backed wikis, for example: https://launchpad.net/wikkid :) I don't agree that the wiki feels less

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: -1 on wiki; wikis are where good information goes off to die. Well, *all* documentation requires vigilance to remain relevant and current. I'm sure you don't think the Python wiki is useless, right? ;) -Barry signature.asc Description: PGP

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sep 23, 2010, at 09:06 AM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: Are any of our docs subject to release schedules? I guess what I'm concerned about is this scenario: You're a developer who has the source code to Python 3.1. You read the in-tree docs to get a sense of how our development process works.

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Jesse Noller
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: -1 on wiki; wikis are where good information goes off to die. Well, *all* documentation requires vigilance to remain relevant and current. I'm sure you don't think the

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 23.09.2010 16:33, schrieb Barry Warsaw: On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:16 AM, R. David Murray wrote: I'd *much* rather edit rst files than futz with a web interface when editing docs. The wiki also somehow feels less official. There are dvcs-backed wikis, for example:

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: -1 on wiki; wikis are where good information goes off to die. Well, *all* documentation requires vigilance to remain relevant and current. I'm sure you don't think the

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:43 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: -1 on wiki; wikis are where good information goes off to die. Well, *all* documentation requires vigilance to remain

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Am 23.09.2010 16:33, schrieb Barry Warsaw: On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:16 AM, R. David Murray wrote: I'd *much* rather edit rst files than futz with a web interface when editing docs.  The wiki also somehow feels less

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Jesse Noller
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:43 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: -1 on wiki; wikis are where good information goes

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 16:56, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: I want to believe your theory (since I also have a feeling that some wiki pages feel less trustworthy than others) but my own use of Wikipedia makes me skeptical that this is all there is -- on many pages on important

[Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-23 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 10:53:55 -0400 Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: Of course, if the consensus is that wikis are just a waste of time and do more harm than good, then we should shut ours down. (I don't agree it is though.) I don't think they are a waste of time. However, as you and

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
There's no reason it *has* to be useless though. The Moin developer now has shell access, so if there are technical problems with wiki, like its theme, performance, or lack of features, we can get those fixed. If it's the content or organization that needs improvement, then we can recruit

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Steven Elliott Jr
Hello All, I am new to this list, but I have been lurking around getting a feel for the environment and processes. I had some discussion yesterday about the developer documentation as well, since it’s what I do professionally. I am a technical writer but also work in the web development arena

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I have to agree with Jesse. We have too many wiki pages that are so out of date they're dangerous. They serve a purpose, and I think we should have a wiki in addition to the official documentation. This could be aggressively linked from it so people can comment on that documentation -- a

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread R. David Murray
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 10:41:35 -0400, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Sep 23, 2010, at 09:06 AM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: Are any of our docs subject to release schedules? I guess what I'm concerned about is this scenario: You're a developer who has the source code to Python 3.1.

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sep 23, 2010, at 05:32 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: I don't think they are a waste of time. However, as you and Dirkjan pointed out, a wiki needs some gardening to take care of its structure and its presentation. The present Python wiki isn't very inviting graphically, and its structure doesn't

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread R. David Murray
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 07:56:19 -0700, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:47 AM, mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: This impression comes along with the authority of potential authors. If only the release manager can write a document, it is very official. If any

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sep 23, 2010, at 11:49 AM, R. David Murray wrote: A separate repository would also be fine, IMO. If someone can find or write the code to publish that repository to the appropriate location automatically, we could presumably do this even before the rest of the hg transition. I'm not

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: I have to agree with Jesse. We have too many wiki pages that are so out of date they're dangerous. They serve a purpose, and I think we should have a wiki in addition to the official documentation. This could be

Re: [Python-Dev] Problems with hex-conversion functions

2010-09-23 Thread Terry Reedy
On 9/23/2010 5:31 AM, Ender Wiggin wrote: I think I have the skills to learn and fix the code itself, but I don't have the time and I am unfamiliar with the process of submitting patches and getting Anyone can submit a patch at bugs.python.org. The process of getting one approved includes

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 23.09.2010 16:35, schrieb Barry Warsaw: On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: -1 on wiki; wikis are where good information goes off to die. Well, *all* documentation requires vigilance to remain relevant and current. I'm sure you don't think the Python wiki is useless, right?

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 23.09.2010 16:47, schrieb Guido van Rossum: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: -1 on wiki; wikis are where good information goes off to die. Well, *all* documentation requires vigilance to remain relevant

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 23.09.2010 16:41, schrieb Barry Warsaw: On Sep 23, 2010, at 09:06 AM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: Are any of our docs subject to release schedules? I guess what I'm concerned about is this scenario: You're a developer who has the source code to Python 3.1. You read the in-tree docs to

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-23 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:57:19 -0400 Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Sep 23, 2010, at 05:32 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: I don't think they are a waste of time. However, as you and Dirkjan pointed out, a wiki needs some gardening to take care of its structure and its presentation. The

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Steven Elliott Jr
If we can recruit a bunch of somebodies who *do* care, then the wiki would be much more useful. But I still don't want to edit the dev docs there, if I have a choice :) There's a reason I stopped updating the wiki as soon as I moved to a code repository. I think that there are plenty

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Terry Reedy
On 9/23/2010 3:18 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: I personally think that the tracker fields and how they should be set is of minor importance. As of just now, if you were to wonder What (security) bugs are open for 2.5 and search on open 2.5 issues, you would get a list of 44 issues. It is only

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Terry Reedy
On 9/23/2010 8:11 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: make sure the issue is assigned to the right person if appropriate -1. We typically don't assign issues to others. What I and Mark (that I know of) did in that respect was to assign doc issues, including old issues reclassified as doc issues, to

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Zooko O'Whielacronx
Speaking as a frequent contributor of bug reports and an occasional contributor of patches, I must say that I feel like status quo of the tracker before Mark's work was discouraging. If there is a vast collection of abandoned tickets, it gives me the strong impression that my attempted

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Glenn Linderman
On 9/23/2010 7:41 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: Our development processes are*primarily* independent of Python version, so I don't think they should be tied to our source tree, and our CPython source tree at that. I suspect the version-dependent instructions will be minimal and can be handled by

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Steve Holden
On 9/23/2010 1:44 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: On 9/23/2010 8:11 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: make sure the issue is assigned to the right person if appropriate -1. We typically don't assign issues to others. What I and Mark (that I know of) did in that respect was to assign doc issues, including

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread R. David Murray
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:50:26 -0600, Zooko O'Whielacronx zo...@zooko.com wrote: Also, I would like to point out that, not having read the other traffic that this thread alludes to, either from earlier mailing list threads or from IRC, I don't really understand what exactly Mark did wrong. The

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-23 Thread skip
Antoine The present Python wiki isn't very inviting graphically, and Antoine its structure doesn't look very thought out. I imagine it can be made to look more like the rest of python.org without a lot of trouble. As to the structure, like most wikis it quickly resembles a bag-o-pages

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-23 Thread skip
Antoine Given that few or none of us seem to (want to) actively Antoine contribute to the wiki, I'm afraid python-dev is not the place Antoine to ask. Perhaps a call should be issued on c.l.py ... It would be nice if you could actually send messages to the people who do actually

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 23.09.2010 19:22, schrieb Terry Reedy: Asking every now and then is this still an issue, or setting the version number, doesn't really advance the issue. Numerous issues have been advanced by the questions I and Mark have asked. Some were legitimately closed as out of date (the bug

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-23 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: I certainly agree with that.  So, how can we solve those problems?  Radomir has shell access now so perhaps we can ask him to make the Python wiki theme more visually appealing.  What roadblocks do people encounter when they

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 23/09/2010 19:22, Terry Reedy a écrit : As of just now, if you were to wonder What (security) bugs are open for 2.5 and search on open 2.5 issues, you would get a list of 44 issues. It is only 44 instead of hundreds because of the work I and Mark have done in the last 4 months. It it 44

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Brett Cannon
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 09:05, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Sep 23, 2010, at 11:49 AM, R. David Murray wrote: A separate repository would also be fine, IMO.  If someone can find or write the code to publish that repository to the appropriate location automatically, we could presumably

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Asking every now and then is this still an issue, or setting the version number, doesn't really advance the issue. Setting Versions properly helps anyone searching for issues relevant to a particular version. If having a field set properly does not matter, then is should not be there. Are

Re: [Python-Dev] Problems with hex-conversion functions

2010-09-23 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Ender Wiggin wiggi...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for the late reply. I would really like to see this fixed. Or we [...] deprecate binascii.(un)hexlify(). ... binascii is the legacy approach here, so if anything was to go, those functions would be it ... I'm

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Terry Reedy
On 9/23/2010 3:50 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: ISTM that the versions field is not very useful if the other fields are filled accurately. For example, feature requests almost always only belong to the current trunk. Yes, for features that fall under the moratorium, the versions field would be

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Setting Versions properly helps anyone searching for issues relevant to a particular version. If having a field set properly does not matter, then is should not be there. Are you suggesting that Versions be deleted? ISTM

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:44 AM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 9/23/2010 8:11 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: make sure the issue is assigned to the right person if appropriate -1. We typically don't assign issues to others. What I and Mark (that I know of) did in that respect was to

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-23 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 4:52 AM, s...@pobox.com wrote:    Antoine Given that few or none of us seem to (want to) actively    Antoine contribute to the wiki, I'm afraid python-dev is not the place    Antoine to ask.  Perhaps a call should be issued on c.l.py ... It would be nice if you could

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r84988 - in python/branches/py3k: Lib/ntpath.py Misc/NEWS

2010-09-23 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:38 AM, brian.curtin python-check...@python.org wrote: Modified: python/branches/py3k/Lib/ntpath.py == --- python/branches/py3k/Lib/ntpath.py  (original) +++ python/branches/py3k/Lib/ntpath.py  

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
With an admin team behind it, you can also make more use of ACLs to flag certain parts of the wiki as official by making them only editable by certain people (e.g. only devs, only the triage team, only the wiki admins). But keeping those user lists up to date is itself something that requires

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-23 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: With an admin team behind it, you can also make more use of ACLs to flag certain parts of the wiki as official by making them only editable by certain people (e.g. only devs, only the triage team, only the wiki admins).

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Terry Reedy
On 9/23/2010 6:17 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Georg Brandlg.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Setting Versions properly helps anyone searching for issues relevant to a particular version. If having a field set properly does not matter, then is should not be there. Are you

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread darren
So if there turns out to be a major security hole or sever bug in 2.7, then it shouldn't be filed against 2.7? and fixed in a 2.7.x sort of branch? In that case, would you just suggest everyone using 2.7 to jump to 3.x? As long as a 2.x version is supported, filing bugs, branching and even

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r84988 - in python/branches/py3k: Lib/ntpath.py Misc/NEWS

2010-09-23 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 17:30, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:38 AM, brian.curtin python-check...@python.org wrote: Modified: python/branches/py3k/Lib/ntpath.py == ---

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Terry Reedy
On 9/23/2010 7:12 PM, dar...@ontrenet.com wrote: So if there turns out to be a major security hole or sever bug in 2.7, then it shouldn't be filed against 2.7? and fixed in a 2.7.x sort of branch? In that case, would you just suggest everyone using 2.7 to jump to 3.x? As long as a 2.x version

[Python-Dev] Call for proposals -- PyCon 2011

2010-09-23 Thread Jesse Noller
[Forwarding to Python-Dev, as it's of some interest - jesse] Call for proposals -- PyCon 2011 -- http://us.pycon.org/2011/ === Proposal Due date: November 1st, 2010 PyCon is back! With a rocking new website, a great location and more

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 01:50:34 am Steven Elliott Jr wrote: What I have done in various organizations has been to create a system where an official repository is kept with all of the *official* documentation and a way for users (developers) to submit their proposals as to what they would like to

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 01:42:03 am Martin v. Löwis wrote: By nature (quick-quick), information is unorganized in a Wiki. This is what wiki advocates cite as its main feature, and wiki opponents as its main flaw. I've never heard wiki advocates say that, and even a cursory glace at wikis like

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-23 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 01:57:19 am Barry Warsaw wrote: I certainly agree with that. So, how can we solve those problems? Radomir has shell access now so perhaps we can ask him to make the Python wiki theme more visually appealing. What roadblocks do people encounter when they want to help

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Georg Brandl writes: You should read my tweets more often :) Now *there* is an innovation that never should have happened! At least you're bringing up the average quality with every twit I mean tweet. ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 24.09.2010 00:39, schrieb Guido van Rossum: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: With an admin team behind it, you can also make more use of ACLs to flag certain parts of the wiki as official by making them only editable by certain people (e.g. only

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Martin v. Löwis writes: I didn't say the field does not matter. I said adjusting it doesn't advance the issue. Anybody *really* working on the issue might choose to update it, or might choose to leave it incorrect when the issue is going to be closed, anyway. Yes, and we'd all like more