On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Glenn Linderman v+pyt...@g.nevcal.com wrote:
On 12/10/2010 9:24 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
This could actually make a reasonably good basic for a task oriented
subsection of the logging documentation. Something like:
Yep, agree. But sadly, for each point, there
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
What may make more sense than yet another global config mechanism, is
a module level addHandler helper function along the following lines:
For a more readable version of that example, take a look at the copy I
put up over
Sorry to get late in the discussion I am travelling.
Nick resumes well the motivations behind sysconfig.
I'll emphase that this module could hold more functions in the future that
could be useful to other python implementations to abstract what is a python
installation. E.g. more than paths and
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
formatting (when the documentation for the new styles feature goes in
would probably be an appropriate time to fix this). Similarly, the
Sorry, what do you mean by new styles feature?
The switching between percent,
Glenn Linderman v+python at g.nevcal.com writes:
Yep, agree. But sadly, for each point, there may be multiple
options (your StreamHandler, but I'd want a FileHandler; your
separation of messages by level, my wanting them combined; etc.)
That's partly why logging hasn't made much
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
However, the confusion that this setup will engender is that
encountered by Bill: by default, info() messages are silenced rather
than displayed on stdout.
Notice that even the recommended basicConfig approach to
Nick Coghlan ncoghlan at gmail.com writes:
The switching between percent, str.format and string.Template
formatting. It turns out that has been documented, but the table in
question is still written from a percent-style formatting point of
view.
Oh, right - yes. I presume you mean the table
On 12/11/2010 12:00 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Glenn Lindermanv+pyt...@g.nevcal.com wrote:
On 12/10/2010 9:24 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
This could actually make a reasonably good basic for a task oriented
subsection of the logging documentation. Something like:
On 12/11/2010 1:28 AM, Vinay Sajip wrote:
Nick Coghlanncoghlanat gmail.com writes:
The lazy stream handler might be useful to make public in some way.
For example, rather than hardcoding sys.stderr, it could take a
callable that it uses to retrieve the stream. That kind of change can
wait
On 12/11/2010 1:07 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
As Glenn mentioned later in the thread, the output of logging.info and
logging.debug messages is*distinct* from an application's normal
operational output that is emitted on stdout. So making it easy to
emit such messages on stderr is the right thing
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Nick Coghlan ncoghlan at gmail.com writes:
Actually if we're to change things to print INFO to stdout and WARNING+ to
stderr,
I suspect our messages crossed paths in mid-stream, but I actually
realised I was wrong on
I was wondering if we could contribute in porting of python.org website over
to python3k. If we can, what are the steps to be taken and other necessary
requirements?
regards,
prashant
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Glenn Linderman v+python at g.nevcal.com writes:
the logger. Does basicConfig give that control? I don't know, the
first 8% of the logger documentation don't tell me that, they only
give me a canned example (actually 3) without explanation of its
full function. Someday
Nick Coghlan ncoghlan at gmail.com writes:
the logging module is a tool to track what is happening in a program, not a
tool for providing a console based UI.
That was certainly the thinking behind how it worked before my recent changes,
but I completely accept that it wasn't helpful in the
On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:55:25 +1000
Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 12/10/2010 4:59 PM, R. David Murray wrote:
Like Éric, I'm not sure what the implications of the existing module
having been released in 2.7
--- El vie, 10/12/10, Brian Quinlan escribió:
On Dec 10, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Thomas Nagy wrote:
--- El vie, 10/12/10, Brian Quinlan escribió:
On Dec 10, 2010, at 5:36 AM, Thomas Nagy wrote:
I have a process running for a long time, and
which
may use futures of different max_workers count.
On 12/11/2010 9:44 AM, Thomas Nagy wrote:
The amount of work items processed by unit of time does not seem to be a
straight line: http://www.freehackers.org/~tnagy/runtime_futures_2.png . Out
of curiosity, what is the _thread_references for?
The source file for the example is in:
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Nick Coghlan ncoghlan at gmail.com writes:
the logging module is a tool to track what is happening in a program, not a
tool for providing a console based UI.
That was certainly the thinking behind how it worked
Am 11.12.2010 11:36, schrieb Prashant Kumar:
I was wondering if we could contribute in porting of python.org
http://python.org website over to python3k. If we can, what are the steps to
be taken and other necessary requirements?
The SVN repository for python.org is currently not publicly
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 12:17 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:55:25 +1000
Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 12/10/2010 4:59 PM, R. David Murray wrote:
Like Éric, I'm not
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On 12/11/2010 04:28 AM, Vinay Sajip wrote:
Actually if we're to change things to print INFO to stdout and WARNING+ to
stderr,
ACK! That would be an awful default -- stdout belongs to the
application, not to meta stuff like logging, which should
Hi,
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 18:19, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote:
Mako (http://www.makotemplates.org/)
[Note that Mako requires setuptools to install out-of-the-box. You can
also just copy the lib/mako/ tree into your Python's site-packages
directory if you prefer not to install
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 3:24 AM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
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On 12/11/2010 04:28 AM, Vinay Sajip wrote:
Actually if we're to change things to print INFO to stdout and WARNING+ to
stderr,
ACK! That would be an awful default --
On 12/11/2010 3:52 AM, Vinay Sajip wrote:
I will try to incorporate more basic examples at the top of the documentation,
but surely you don't want me to add more verbiage about basicConfig when your
overall feeling is that there's too much documentation?
I try not to post unless I feel there
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 16:26, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 18:10:38 -0500
Eric Smith e...@trueblade.com wrote:
If we're looking to reduce the number of methods on str, I wouldn't mind
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 22:21, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Nick Coghlan ncoghlan at gmail.com writes:
This could actually make a reasonably good basic for a task oriented
subsection of the logging documentation. Something like:
Good suggestion, I'll see what I can do.
Just
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 16:26, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 18:10:38 -0500
Eric Smith e...@trueblade.com wrote:
If
On Dec 11, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Thomas Nagy wrote:
--- El vie, 10/12/10, Brian Quinlan escribió:
On Dec 10, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Thomas Nagy wrote:
--- El vie, 10/12/10, Brian Quinlan escribió:
On Dec 10, 2010, at 5:36 AM, Thomas Nagy wrote:
I have a process running for a long time, and
which
Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org writes:
2010/12/8 Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au:
So it's not abandoned, but I don't know which version should be the
current target. What change should I make to the PEP in such a case?
Put 3.3 or 3.x if you're thinking really long term. :)
On Dec 11, 2010, at 9:21 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 12:17 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:55:25 +1000
Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 12/10/2010 4:59
On 12/11/2010 12:19 PM, Georg Brandl wrote:
Am 11.12.2010 11:36, schrieb Prashant Kumar:
I was wondering if we could contribute in porting of python.org
http://python.org website over to python3k.
I think this is an excellent idea. It will test Python3 and the modules
and external packages
Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au writes:
Done now (URL:http://svn.python.org/projects/peps/trunk/, revision
87170).
Thanks to Georg Brandl for applying the change on my behalf.
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Am 11.12.2010 22:28, schrieb Terry Reedy:
On 12/11/2010 12:19 PM, Georg Brandl wrote:
Am 11.12.2010 11:36, schrieb Prashant Kumar:
I was wondering if we could contribute in porting of python.org
http://python.org website over to python3k.
I think this is an excellent idea. It will test
Brian Quinlan wrote:
On Dec 11, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Thomas Nagy wrote:
I have also observed a minor performance degradation with the executor
replacement (3 seconds for 5000 work items). The amount of work items
processed by unit of time does not seem to be a straight line:
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 5:21 AM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
But is this worth it since once you write it you won't be changing it
again, suggesting that taking the time to look up the formatting rules
isn't that much harder and wouldn't burden us w/ writing such
functions and trying
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 6:53 AM, Brian Quinlan br...@sweetapp.com wrote:
Is it still unclear why it is there? Maybe you could propose some additional
documentation.
Did you get my question the other day as to whether a
weakref.WeakKeySet might be a better choice? I believe you would be
able to
--- El sáb, 11/12/10, Brian Quinlan escribió:
On Dec 11, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Thomas Nagy wrote:
--- El vie, 10/12/10, Brian Quinlan escribió:
On Dec 10, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Thomas Nagy wrote:
--- El vie, 10/12/10, Brian Quinlan
escribió:
On Dec 10, 2010, at 5:36 AM, Thomas Nagy
wrote:
On Dec 11, 2010, at 6:33 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 6:53 AM, Brian Quinlan br...@sweetapp.com
wrote:
Is it still unclear why it is there? Maybe you could propose some
additional
documentation.
Did you get my question the other day as to whether a
weakref.WeakKeySet
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Brian Quinlan br...@sweetapp.com wrote:
On Dec 11, 2010, at 6:33 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 6:53 AM, Brian Quinlan br...@sweetapp.com wrote:
Is it still unclear why it is there? Maybe you could propose some
additional
documentation.
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