On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 07:57:25 +0200 (CEST)
senthil.kumaran wrote:
>
> +<<< local
> Optional argument random is a 0-argument function returning a
> random float in [0.0, 1.0); if it is the default None, the
> standard random.random will be used.
> +===
> +
Serhiy Storchaka writes:
> I work on enhancement of audio modules testing [1], and I need free
> (in both senses) small sample audio files in different formats.
The Internet Archive https://archive.org/> has a wide selection of
free-software media, many of which have free license terms that woul
On 09/11/2013 02:39 PM, Tim Delaney wrote:
On 12 September 2013 02:03, Ethan Furman mailto:et...@stoneleaf.us>> wrote:
On 09/11/2013 08:49 AM, Victor Stinner wrote:
2013/9/11 Ethan Furman mailto:et...@stoneleaf.us>>:
He isn't keeping the key unchanged (notice no white s
On 12 September 2013 02:03, Ethan Furman wrote:
> On 09/11/2013 08:49 AM, Victor Stinner wrote:
>
>> 2013/9/11 Ethan Furman :
>>
>>> He isn't keeping the key unchanged (notice no white space in MAPPING),
>>> he's
>>> merely providing a function that will automatically strip the whitespace
>>> fro
11.09.13 17:10, Barry Warsaw написав(ла):
I have some pro-audio recording capabilities and would be happy to generate
some copyright-donated clips for Python. Please contact me off-list if
needed.
Thank you.
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On 9/11/2013 10:10 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
On Sep 11, 2013, at 01:09 PM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote:
In ideal it should be one high-quality (float64?) multichannel (5+1?) but
short master file and it's lower-quality copies made by third-party tools. In
ideal the content should be related to Python.
On 09/11/2013 10:49 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
What I dislike is the idea of doing additional work because some
barriers are imposed ;-). PEP or PyPI are on a similar scale here. At
least a PEP would help record the various discussion details, so I'd
favour that over the PyPI path.
I would thin
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 19:31:56 +0200
"Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
> Am 11.09.13 15:04, schrieb Antoine Pitrou:
> > There are not many possible APIs to create case-insensitive dicts, or
> > identity dicts.
>
> That is certainly not true. Most obviously, you have the choice of a
> specialized case-mappi
11.09.13 17:10, Oleg Broytman написав(ла):
Wouldn't his name be enough? http://www.python.org/~guido/guido.au
It is Lib/test/audiotest.au. 1-channel and 8-bit. No, it wouldn't enough.
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Am 11.09.13 15:04, schrieb Antoine Pitrou:
> There are not many possible APIs to create case-insensitive dicts, or
> identity dicts.
That is certainly not true. Most obviously, you have the choice of a
specialized case-mapping dict, or a generalized type that can be used
for case mapping also. Do
11.09.13 15:46, Victor Stinner написав(ла):
Use your microphone, say "python" and save the file in your favorite
file format. Try for example Audacity. I suppose that you don't need
specific audio content and you don't need a huge file.
My voice is even more ugly than my English. I don't want p
11.09.13 15:45, Antoine Pitrou написав(ла):
If you want to edit, shorten, convert sounds between different formats,
you can try Audacity, a free sound editor:
http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
Yes, Audacity is great.
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11.09.13 16:50, Stephen J. Turnbull написав(ла):
Which modules in the stdlib would benefit from rewriting using
"transformdict"? How about on PyPI?
At least _threading_local, cProfile, doctest, json, and perhaps future
implementations of __sizeof__ for some classes would benefit from
rewriti
2013/9/11 Ethan Furman :
> He isn't keeping the key unchanged (notice no white space in MAPPING), he's
> merely providing a function that will automatically strip the whitespace
> from key lookups.
transformdict keeps the key unchanged, see the first message:
>>> d = transformdict(str.lower)
Le Wed, 11 Sep 2013 07:48:56 -0700,
Ethan Furman a écrit :
> On 09/11/2013 06:58 AM, Victor Stinner wrote:
> >
> > The os.environ mapping uses a subclass of MutableMapping which
> > accepts 4 functions: encoder/decoder for the key and encoder/decoder
> > for the value. Such type is even more gener
On 09/11/2013 08:48 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
Le Wed, 11 Sep 2013 07:48:56 -0700,
Ethan Furman a écrit :
Personally, I wouldn't mind having all four; for one thing, the name
'transformdict' would then be entirely appropriate. ;)
The key decoder function is quite useless since the original k
On 09/11/2013 08:49 AM, Victor Stinner wrote:
2013/9/11 Ethan Furman :
He isn't keeping the key unchanged (notice no white space in MAPPING), he's
merely providing a function that will automatically strip the whitespace
from key lookups.
transformdict keeps the key unchanged, see the first mes
On 09/11/2013 06:58 AM, Victor Stinner wrote:
The os.environ mapping uses a subclass of MutableMapping which
accepts 4 functions: encoder/decoder for the key and encoder/decoder
for the value. Such type is even more generic. transformdict cannot
replace os._Environ.
True, it's more generic --
On 09/11/2013 06:58 AM, Victor Stinner wrote:
2013/9/11 Steven D'Aprano :
But the proposal is not for a case-insensitive dict. It is more general
than that, with case-insensitivity just one specific use-case for such
a transformative dict. Arguably the most natural, or at least obvious,
such tra
>> Note: Because dir() is supplied primarily as a convenience for
>> use at an interactive prompt [...]
This was always my interpretation of its intent. In fact, I use a
customized dir() for my own needs which would probably break inspect
(elides _-prefixed functions by default, notes modules or
On 09/11/2013 02:38 AM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote:
There is a question about specifying the transform function.
There are three ways to do this:
1. Positional argument of the constructor.
d = TransformDict(str.casefold, Foo=5)
This method follows the precedent of defaultdict:
--> from collecti
On 09/11/2013 05:47 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On 11 September 2013 21:57, R. David Murray wrote:
Except it is wider than that: the transform function can be anything,
not just case folding.
I suggested surjectiondict or ontodict, but Antoine didn't like those :)
(I had to look up the terms...it'
Le Wed, 11 Sep 2013 22:50:08 +0900,
"Stephen J. Turnbull" a écrit :
> Antoine Pitrou writes:
>
> > ExitStack was quite a new thing, API-wise. The proposal here is to
> > generalize something which already exists in various forms all
> > over the Internet, and respecting a well-known API, Mutab
http://docs.python.org/3/library/functions.html#dir:
Note: Because dir() is supplied primarily as a convenience for
use at an interactive prompt [...]
I suspect this comment is out of date, as there are two functions in the inspect module that rely on dir(), which also
means that help indir
On Sep 11, 2013, at 01:09 PM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote:
>In ideal it should be one high-quality (float64?) multichannel (5+1?) but
>short master file and it's lower-quality copies made by third-party tools. In
>ideal the content should be related to Python.
I have some pro-audio recording capabilit
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 09:54:44AM -0400, Brett Cannon wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Victor Stinner
> wrote:
> And if you don't want your voice in the test suite forever you can see if
> you can convince Guido to say "Python" into a microphone.
Wouldn't his name be enough? http://
2013/9/11 Steven D'Aprano :
> But the proposal is not for a case-insensitive dict. It is more general
> than that, with case-insensitivity just one specific use-case for such
> a transformative dict. Arguably the most natural, or at least obvious,
> such transformation, but there are others.
>
> I
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 10:47:12PM +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> I'll join the chorus requesting that this live on PyPI for a while first.
Another alternative would be ActiveState's Python recipes:
http://code.activestate.com/recipes/langs/python
which is a lot lighter weight than creating a pac
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Victor Stinner wrote:
> Use your microphone, say "python" and save the file in your favorite
> file format. Try for example Audacity. I suppose that you don't need
> specific audio content and you don't need a huge file.
>
And if you don't want your voice in the t
Antoine Pitrou writes:
> ExitStack was quite a new thing, API-wise. The proposal here is to
> generalize something which already exists in various forms all over the
> Internet, and respecting a well-known API, MutableMapping.
What Nick said was "I was too close to the design, and time and a v
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 06:08:25AM -0500, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> (I still don't care for the name. "Transform" != "case folding" in my
> mind. A quick scan of your links suggests most people think something
> like "cidict" or "CaseInsensitiveDict" would be more descriptive.)
But the proposal is
Le Wed, 11 Sep 2013 22:47:12 +1000,
Nick Coghlan a écrit :
>
> I'll join the chorus requesting that this live on PyPI for a while
> first.
>
> I think this is a case similar to what happened with
> contextlib.ExitStack: I'm not sure if anyone actually *used*
> contextlib2 for anything significan
Use your microphone, say "python" and save the file in your favorite
file format. Try for example Audacity. I suppose that you don't need
specific audio content and you don't need a huge file.
Victor
2013/9/11 Serhiy Storchaka :
> I work on enhancement of audio modules testing [1], and I need fre
On 11 September 2013 21:57, R. David Murray wrote:
> Except it is wider than that: the transform function can be anything,
> not just case folding.
>
> I suggested surjectiondict or ontodict, but Antoine didn't like those :)
> (I had to look up the terms...it's been a long time since I studied
> m
Le Wed, 11 Sep 2013 13:09:36 +0300,
Serhiy Storchaka a écrit :
> I work on enhancement of audio modules testing [1], and I need free
> (in both senses) small sample audio files in different formats. We
> already have audiotest.au (mono, and sunau has a bug in processing
> multichannel files [2]) a
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 06:08:25 -0500, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> > Seriously, I'm curious: what needs to mature, according to you?
>
> In my mind, its availability on PyPI along with demonstrated use in
> the wild (plus corresponding votes to demonstrate that people use/like
> it) would help. That yo
11.09.13 14:07, Antoine Pitrou написав(ла):
But I don't think the "type generator" API would be easier to implement
in C, anyway.
No, I mean subclassing approach.
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> Seriously, I'm curious: what needs to mature, according to you?
In my mind, its availability on PyPI along with demonstrated use in
the wild (plus corresponding votes to demonstrate that people use/like
it) would help. That you can find several implementations at this
doesn't mean it's necessar
Le Wed, 11 Sep 2013 13:37:53 +0300,
Serhiy Storchaka a écrit :
>
> Actually the defaultdict is just simple wrapper around existing
> functionality of the __missing__ method. We can add the __transform__
> method directly in the dict class. I think it will significant (2-3x)
> decrease a size o
11.09.13 12:52, Antoine Pitrou написав(ла):
Le Wed, 11 Sep 2013 12:38:13 +0300,
Serhiy Storchaka a écrit :
2. Subclassing.
class CaseInsensitiveDict(TransformDict):
def transform(self, key):
return key.casefold()
d = CaseInsensitiveDict(Foo=5)
I thought about this first, and
I work on enhancement of audio modules testing [1], and I need free (in
both senses) small sample audio files in different formats. We already
have audiotest.au (mono, and sunau has a bug in processing multichannel
files [2]) and Sine-1000Hz-300ms.aif, but this is not enough. I have
generated a
Le Wed, 11 Sep 2013 12:38:13 +0300,
Serhiy Storchaka a écrit :
> 2. Subclassing.
>
> class CaseInsensitiveDict(TransformDict):
> def transform(self, key):
> return key.casefold()
> d = CaseInsensitiveDict(Foo=5)
I thought about this first, and then I remembered that python-dev isn'
There is a question about specifying the transform function.
There are three ways to do this:
1. Positional argument of the constructor.
d = TransformDict(str.casefold, Foo=5)
2. Subclassing.
class CaseInsensitiveDict(TransformDict):
def transform(self, key):
return key.casefold()
Le Tue, 10 Sep 2013 21:40:36 -0500,
Raymond Hettinger a écrit :
>
> On Sep 10, 2013, at 4:28 AM, Antoine Pitrou
> wrote:
>
> > In http://bugs.python.org/issue18986 I proposed adding a new mapping
> > type to the collections module.
>
> I would *really* like for this to start outside the standa
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