Re: [Python-Dev] test_uuid.py on HP NonStop Python-2.7.5 fails (test case: testIssue8621)

2013-11-28 Thread Armin Rigo
Hi, On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 7:14 AM, V S, Nagendra (Nonstop Filesystems Team) on NonStop uuid.py falls throw to random.range() call to generate the random number And indeed, the random module gets identical results in both parent and child after a fork(). This seems to mean that the random

Re: [Python-Dev] test_uuid.py on HP NonStop Python-2.7.5 fails (test case: testIssue8621)

2013-11-28 Thread Christian Heimes
Am 28.11.2013 10:53, schrieb Armin Rigo: Hi, On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 7:14 AM, V S, Nagendra (Nonstop Filesystems Team) on NonStop uuid.py falls throw to random.range() call to generate the random number And indeed, the random module gets identical results in both parent and child after

Re: [Python-Dev] test_uuid.py on HP NonStop Python-2.7.5 fails (test case: testIssue8621)

2013-11-28 Thread V S, Nagendra (Nonstop Filesystems Team)
Hi, On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 7:14 AM, V S, Nagendra (Nonstop Filesystems Team) on NonStop uuid.py falls throw to random.range() call to generate the random number And indeed, the random module gets identical results in both parent and child after a fork(). This seems to mean

Re: [Python-Dev] buildbot's are needlessly compiling -O0

2013-11-28 Thread Matthias Klose
Am 24.11.2013 08:13, schrieb Gregory P. Smith: our buildbots are setup to configure --with-pydebug which also unfortunately causes them to compile with -O0... this results in a python binary that is excruciatingly slow and makes the entire test suite run take a long time. given that nobody

[Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-28 Thread anatoly techtonik
I wanted to help people who are trying to find out more about PEP submission process by providing relevant info (or a pointer) in README.rst that is located at the root of PEPs repository. You can see it here. https://bitbucket.org/rirror/peps I filled this issue with b.p.o

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP process entry point and ill fated initiatives

2013-11-28 Thread Guido van Rossum
Anatoly, the Python community is a lot more diverse than you think. Pull requests (whatever that means) are not the way to start a PEP. You should start by focusing on the contents, and the mechanics of editing it and getting it formatted properly are secondary. The process is explained in PEP

[Python-Dev] py.ini documentation improvement

2013-11-28 Thread Tim Delaney
I was just getting Jython working with py.exe, and I think the documentation can be made a bit more friendly. In particular think we can make it easier for people to determine the correct folder by changing the line in 3.4.4.1 Customization via INI files: Two .ini files will be searched by the

Re: [Python-Dev] py.ini documentation improvement

2013-11-28 Thread Glenn Linderman
On 11/28/2013 1:04 PM, Tim Delaney wrote: %LOCALAPPDATA% should always contain the same value as would be returned from SHGetFolderPath with CSIDL_LOCAL_APPDATA. Except when it gets changed. Documentation should reflect the actual use in the code. If it uses the SHGetFolderPath, that is what

Re: [Python-Dev] py.ini documentation improvement

2013-11-28 Thread Tim Delaney
On 29 November 2013 08:34, Glenn Linderman v+pyt...@g.nevcal.com wrote: On 11/28/2013 1:04 PM, Tim Delaney wrote: %LOCALAPPDATA% should always contain the same value as would be returned from SHGetFolderPath with CSIDL_LOCAL_APPDATA. Except when it gets changed. Documentation should

Re: [Python-Dev] py.ini documentation improvement

2013-11-28 Thread Terry Reedy
On 11/28/2013 4:04 PM, Tim Delaney wrote: I was just getting Jython working with py.exe, and I think the documentation can be made a bit more friendly. In particular think we can make it easier for people to determine the correct folder by changing the line in 3.4.4.1 Customization via INI

Re: [Python-Dev] py.ini documentation improvement

2013-11-28 Thread martin
Quoting Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu: 'Two .ini files will be searched by the launcher' sort of implies to me that the files exist. On my Win7 machine, echo %LOCALAPPDATA% returns C:\Users\Terry\AppData\Local. If I go to Users/Terry with Explorer, there is no AppData. (Same with admin

Re: [Python-Dev] py.ini documentation improvement

2013-11-28 Thread Terry Reedy
On 11/28/2013 5:35 PM, mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Quoting Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu: 'Two .ini files will be searched by the launcher' sort of implies to me that the files exist. On my Win7 machine, echo %LOCALAPPDATA% returns C:\Users\Terry\AppData\Local. If I go to Users/Terry with

Re: [Python-Dev] py.ini documentation improvement

2013-11-28 Thread Tim Delaney
On 29 November 2013 10:59, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 11/28/2013 5:35 PM, mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Quoting Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu: 'Two .ini files will be searched by the launcher' sort of implies to me that the files exist. On my Win7 machine, echo %LOCALAPPDATA%

Re: [Python-Dev] py.ini documentation improvement

2013-11-28 Thread Terry Reedy
On 11/28/2013 7:06 PM, Tim Delaney wrote: By default in Win7 AppData is a hidden folder - you need to go to Tools On my system, that is Control Panel, not Tools. | Folder Options | View | Show hidden files, folders and drives to see it in Explorer (no matter what user you're logged in as).

Re: [Python-Dev] py.ini documentation improvement

2013-11-28 Thread Tim Delaney
On 29 November 2013 13:17, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 11/28/2013 7:06 PM, Tim Delaney wrote: By default in Win7 AppData is a hidden folder - you need to go to Tools On my system, that is Control Panel, not Tools. Sorry - was referring to the Explorer Tools menu, which is

Re: [Python-Dev] py.ini documentation improvement

2013-11-28 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 29 November 2013 12:27, Tim Delaney timothy.c.dela...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 November 2013 13:17, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 11/28/2013 7:06 PM, Tim Delaney wrote: By default in Win7 AppData is a hidden folder - you need to go to Tools On my system, that is Control Panel,

Re: [Python-Dev] py.ini documentation improvement

2013-11-28 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Nick Coghlan writes: Turning my Windows gaming machine back to the default settings and trying to bootstrap pip was one of the key things that got me motivated to work on PEP 453. It still astounds me that one company can both create Visual Studio, *and* make it difficult to configure a