Re: [Python-Dev] Python should be easily compilable on Windows with MinGW

2016-02-26 Thread Andrew Barnert via Python-Dev
One alternative to consider is using Cygwin. A complete Cygwin environment, including a GCC toolchain, is pretty small. And it can build a *nix-style CPython that works inside the Cygwin environment. That may not be sufficient for a lot of uses, but for your purpose, it should be. Another alter

Re: [Python-Dev] Python should be easily compilable on Windows with MinGW

2016-02-26 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Feb 26, 2016 9:56 AM, "Alexander Walters" wrote: > > No. > > Visual Studio is a solid compiler suit, mingw is a jenky mess, especially when you try and move to 64bit (where I don't think there is one true version of mingw). I see why you say this, but I think you're seriously underestimating m

Re: [Python-Dev] Python should be easily compilable on Windows with MinGW

2016-02-26 Thread Andy Ray Terrel
You might be interested in a project funded by NumFOCUS + PSF to make the mingw ecosystem work with CPython. http://mingwpy.github.io/ -- Andy On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 12:24 PM, R. David Murray wrote: > On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 10:05:19 -0800, Dan Stromberg > wrote: > > But what do you really think

[Python-Dev] Responding in a nice way (was: Python should be easily compilable on Windows with MinGW

2016-02-26 Thread Brett Cannon
On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 at 10:18 Alexander Walters wrote: > You mean honestly pointing out what would happen with a suggestion? It > is a horrifically bad idea. I didn't say they were bad people. > You're right, you didn't directly insult Mathieu, but the tone was unnecessary. Calling mingw a "jenk

Re: [Python-Dev] Python should be easily compilable on Windows with MinGW

2016-02-26 Thread R. David Murray
On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 10:05:19 -0800, Dan Stromberg wrote: > But what do you really think? > > IMO, windows builds probably should do both visual studio and mingw. > That is, there probably should be two builds on windows, since there's > no clear consensus about which to use. > > I certainly pref

Re: [Python-Dev] Python should be easily compilable on Windows with MinGW

2016-02-26 Thread Alexander Walters
You mean honestly pointing out what would happen with a suggestion? It is a horrifically bad idea. I didn't say they were bad people. On 2/26/2016 13:14, Brian Curtin wrote: The attitude in these responses is counter productive and not really how it works on this list. On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at

Re: [Python-Dev] Python should be easily compilable on Windows with MinGW

2016-02-26 Thread Steve Dower
Hi Mathieu I just want to say that we are very aware of the concerns and issues faced here and people (including myself) are actively working to resolve them. For example, I am working with the Visual C++ team to encourage and support work such as https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/201

Re: [Python-Dev] Python should be easily compilable on Windows with MinGW

2016-02-26 Thread Alexander Walters
Ok, fine. Bring a windows build bot online. And also take on the support burden of guiding people to which version of which compiler you use for each of the currently supported python versions. And go ahead and write the pep to change how wheel distributions work (which will effectively kill

Re: [Python-Dev] Python should be easily compilable on Windows with MinGW

2016-02-26 Thread Dan Stromberg
But what do you really think? IMO, windows builds probably should do both visual studio and mingw. That is, there probably should be two builds on windows, since there's no clear consensus about which to use. I certainly prefer mingw over visual studio - and I have adequate bandwidth for either.

Re: [Python-Dev] Python should be easily compilable on Windows with MinGW

2016-02-26 Thread Alexander Walters
No. Visual Studio is a solid compiler suit, mingw is a jenky mess, especially when you try and move to 64bit (where I don't think there is one true version of mingw). I'm sorry that Visual Studio makes it very hard for you to contribute, but changing THE compiler of the distribution from the

[Python-Dev] Python should be easily compilable on Windows with MinGW

2016-02-26 Thread Mathieu Dupuy
Hi. I am currently working on adding some functionality on a standard library module (http://bugs.python.org/issue15873). The Python part went fine, but now I have to do the C counterpart, and I have ran into in several problems, which, stacked up, are a huge obstacle to easily contribute further.

[Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2016-02-26 Thread Python tracker
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