Re: [Python-Dev] Buildbot failures

2011-11-03 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 14:30, Andrea Crotti andrea.crott...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/21/2011 10:08 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Hello, There are currently a bunch of various buildbot failures on all 3 branches. I would remind committers to regularly take a look at the buildbots, so that these

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: Fix #13327. Remove the need for an explicit None as the second argument to

2011-11-06 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 13:46, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org wrote: 2011/11/6 brian.curtin python-check...@python.org: - -    if (!PyArg_ParseTuple(args, OO:utime, +    PyObject* arg = NULL; You could set arg = Py_None here. + +    if (!PyArg_ParseTuple(args, O|O:utime,            

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Remove the old style [...] to denote optional args and show the defaults.

2011-11-08 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 14:47, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Am 08.11.2011 21:30, schrieb brian.curtin: http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/60ae7979fec8 changeset:   73463:60ae7979fec8 user:        Brian Curtin br...@python.org date:        Tue Nov 08 14:30:02 2011 -0600 summary

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 405 (proposed): Python 2.8 Release Schedule

2011-11-09 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 10:14, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: I think we should have an official pronouncement about Python 2.8, and PEPs are as official as it gets 'round here. Thus I propose the following. If there are no objections wink, I'll commit this taking the next available

Re: [Python-Dev] Is Python insider blog dead?

2011-11-16 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 05:40, Jesús Cea j...@jcea.es wrote: Python insider blog was a great idea, trying to open and expose python-dev to the world. A great and necessary idea. But the last post was in August. I wonder if the project is dead... Would be sad :-( http://blog.python.org/

[Python-Dev] blog.python.org - help wanted - topics, authors, etc.

2011-11-16 Thread Brian Curtin
As Jesus mentioned earlier today, it has been a while since http://blog.python.org/ was been updated, and even before that it wasn't updated all that often. I'd like to try and get others involved so we can get a more steady flow going and highlight more of the work everyone is doing. The blog

Re: [Python-Dev] [PATCH] Adding braces to __future__

2011-12-09 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 14:26, Cedric Sodhi man...@gmx.net wrote: IF YOU THINK YOU MUST REPLY SOMETHING WITTY, ITERATE THAT THIS HAD BEEN DISCUSSED BEFORE, REPLY THAT IT'S SIMPLY NOT GO'NNA HAPPEN, THAT WHO DOESN'T LIKE IT IS FREE TO CHOOSE ANOTHER LANGUAGE OR SOMETHING SIMILAR, JUST DON'T.

Re: [Python-Dev] Hash collision security issue (now public)

2011-12-28 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 19:51, Alex Gaynor alex.gay...@gmail.com wrote: A few thoughts on this: a) This is not a new issue, I'm curious what the new interest is in it. Well they (the presenters of the report) had to be accepted to that conference for *something*, otherwise we wouldn't know

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: Issue #12715: Add an optional symlinks argument to shutil functions (copyfile,

2011-12-30 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 11:55, antoine.pitrou python-check...@python.org wrote: http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/cf57ef65bcd0 changeset:   74194:cf57ef65bcd0 user:        Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net date:        Thu Dec 29 18:54:15 2011 +0100 summary:  Issue #12715: Add an optional

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Issue #12715: Add an optional symlinks argument to shutil functions (copyfile,

2011-12-30 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 13:39, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 13:29:36 -0600 Brian Curtin br...@python.org wrote: Can we expect that readers on Windows know how os.symlink works, or should the stipulations of os.symlink usage also be laid out or at least linked

Re: [Python-Dev] Code reviews

2012-01-02 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 12:26, francis franci...@email.de wrote: On 01/02/2012 06:35 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: On 01/02/2012 03:41 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:44:49 +1000 Nick Coghlanncogh...@gmail.com  wrote: He keeps leaving them out, I occasionally tell him they should

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 7 clarification request: braces

2012-01-04 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 00:30, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: Benjamin Peterson writes:   My goodness, I was trying to make a ridiculous-sounding proposition. In this kind of discussion, that's in the same class as be careful what you wish for -- because you might just get it.

Re: [Python-Dev] Python as a Metro-style App

2012-01-07 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 16:07, mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: A then-related question is whether Python 3.3 should be compiled with Visual Studio 11. I'd still be in favor of that, provided Microsoft manages to release that soon enough. I'm guessing the change would have to be done before the first

Re: [Python-Dev] Python as a Metro-style App

2012-01-07 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 18:04, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 January 2012 22:56, Eli Bendersky eli...@gmail.com wrote: A then-related question is whether Python 3.3 should be compiled with Visual Studio 11. I'd still be in favor of that, provided Microsoft manages to release

Re: [Python-Dev] Hash collision security issue (now public)

2012-01-08 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 16:33, Jim Jewett jimjjew...@gmail.com wrote: In http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2012-January/115368.html Stefan Behnel wrote: Can you please configure your mail client to not create new threads like this? As if this topic wasn't already hard enough to follow,

Re: [Python-Dev] Script(s) for building Python on Windows

2012-01-16 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 14:00, Jason R. Coombs jar...@jaraco.com wrote: The second thing I notice is the scripts assume Visual Studio 2008. And while I recognize that Python is specifically built against Visual Studio 2008 for the official releases and that Visual Studio 2008 may be the only

Re: [Python-Dev] Script(s) for building Python on Windows

2012-01-16 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 18:01, Jason R. Coombs My goal in adding the upgrade code was to provide a one-step upgrade for developers with only VS 10 installed. That's what vs-upgrade in jaraco.develop does. Upgrading to 2010 requires some code changes in addition to the conversion, so the

Re: [Python-Dev] Switching to Visual Studio 2010

2012-01-17 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 14:43, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: It seems a number of people are interested that the Python trunk switches to Visual Studio 2010 *now*. I've been hesitant to agree to such a change, as I still hope that Python can skip over VS 2010 (a.k.a.  VS 10), and

Re: [Python-Dev] Switching to Visual Studio 2010

2012-01-17 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 15:01, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: I previously completed the port at my old company (but could not release it), and I have a good bit of it completed for us at http://hg.python.org/sandbox/vs2010port/. That repo is a little bit behind 'default' but

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 407: New release cycle and introducing long-term support versions

2012-01-19 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 17:54, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Ok, so let me add then that I'm worried about the additional work-load. I'm particularly worried about the coordination of vacation across the three people that work on a release. It might well not be possible to make

Re: [Python-Dev] Switching to Visual Studio 2010

2012-01-26 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 15:11, Brian Curtin br...@python.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 15:01, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: I previously completed the port at my old company (but could not release it), and I have a good bit of it completed for us at http://hg.python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Switching to Visual Studio 2010

2012-02-01 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 14:23, Trent Nelson tr...@snakebite.org wrote:    Brian, what are your plans?  Are you going to continue working in    hg.python.org/sandbox/vs2010port then merge everything over when    ready?  I have some time available to work on this for the next    three weeks or

Re: [Python-Dev] Switching to Visual Studio 2010

2012-02-01 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 15:37, Catalin Iacob iacobcata...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: ... P.S. Here is my personal list of requirements and non-requirements: ... - must generate binaries that run on Windows XP I recently read

Re: [Python-Dev] Switching to Visual Studio 2010

2012-02-01 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 15:41, Brian Curtin br...@python.org wrote: On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 15:37, Catalin Iacob iacobcata...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: ... P.S. Here is my personal list of requirements and non-requirements

Re: [Python-Dev] folding cElementTree behind ElementTree in 3.3

2012-02-07 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 22:15, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: Folding the two implementations together in the standard library would mean officially declaring that xml.etree is now an independently maintained fork of Fredrik's version rather than just a snapshot in time of a particular

Re: [Python-Dev] best place for an atomic file API

2012-02-15 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 19:19, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Charles-François Natali neolo...@free.fr writes: Issue #8604 aims at adding an atomic file API to make it easier to create/update files atomically, using rename() on POSIX systems and MoveFileEx() on Windows (which

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of PEP 397 - Python launcher for Windows

2012-02-17 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 23:24, Mark Hammond skippy.hamm...@gmail.com wrote: I'm wondering what thoughts are on PEP 397, the Python launcher for Windows.  I've been using the implementation for a number of months now and I find it incredibly useful. To my mind, the specific steps would be: *

[Python-Dev] Windows build - fixing compile warnings before VS2010

2012-02-21 Thread Brian Curtin
While some effort has gone on to get the 32-bit build to compile without warnings (thanks for that!), 64-bit still has numerous warnings. Before I push forward on more of the VS2010 port, I'd like to have a clean 2008 build all around so we can more easily track what may have changed. In

Re: [Python-Dev] Windows build - fixing compile warnings before VS2010

2012-02-22 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 23:45, mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Zitat von Brian Curtin br...@python.org: While some effort has gone on to get the 32-bit build to compile without warnings (thanks for that!), 64-bit still has numerous warnings. Before I push forward on more of the VS2010 port, I'd

Re: [Python-Dev] Windows build - fixing compile warnings before VS2010

2012-02-22 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 10:04, shibturn shibt...@gmail.com wrote: On 22/02/2012 3:32am, Brian Curtin wrote: 1. Is anyone opposed to moving up to Level 4 warnings? At that level I think it complains about common things like the do {...} while (0) idiom, and the unreferenced self parameter

Re: [Python-Dev] http://pythonmentors.com/

2012-02-22 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 18:21, Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org wrote: Le 11/02/2012 12:00, Eli Bendersky a écrit : Well, I think the situation is pretty good now. If one goes to python.org and is interested in contributing, clicking on the Core Development link is a sensible step, right?

Re: [Python-Dev] http://pythonmentors.com/

2012-02-22 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 01:15, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: Brian Curtin writes:   If you want to contribute to development, I think you'll know that a   link about development is relevant. For values of you in experienced programmers, yes.  But translators and tech writers

Re: [Python-Dev] Status regarding Old vs. Advanced String Formating

2012-02-24 Thread Brian Curtin
On Feb 24, 2012 6:26 PM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 24/02/2012 21:37, Martin v. Löwis wrote: I was of the thought that Old String Formatting |%s % foo| was to be phased out by Advanced String Formatting |{}.format(foo)|. This is actually not the case, and never was.

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 414 - Unicode Literals for Python 3

2012-02-27 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 17:15, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote: This is probably a dumb question, but why can't we add u'' back to 3.2?  It seems an incredibly minor change, and we are not in security-only fix stage, are we? We don't add features to bug-fix releases.

[Python-Dev] Porting Stories (was PEP 414 - Unicode Literals for Python 3)

2012-02-28 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 09:04, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: We really need to stop saying that porting to Python 3 is hard, or should be delayed.  It's not in the vast majority of cases.  Yes, there are warts, and we should continue to improve Python 3 so it gets easier, but by no means

Re: [Python-Dev] Spreading the Python 3 religion (was Re: PEP 414 - Unicode Literals for Python 3)

2012-02-28 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:51, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Brett Cannon brett at python.org writes: Changes to http://docs.python.org/howto/pyporting.html are welcome. I tried to make sure it exposed all possibilities with tips on how to support as far back as Python 2.5.

Re: [Python-Dev] Backporting PEP 414

2012-02-28 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 14:27, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote: Here's what I know: We don't add features to bug-fix releases. u'' is considered a feature. By not backporting to 3.1 and 3.2 we are not easing the migration pains from 2.x. Let's say it's 2013 and 3.3 has been out for a

Re: [Python-Dev] Job! Python Engineer position

2012-03-12 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 15:40, Watts, Wendy wwa...@vtrit.com wrote: Hello, my name is Wendy; I am a IT recruiter for vtrIT which is a division of Volt Workforce Technical Solutions located in San Francisco. I have an urgent Senior and Junior Python Engineer positions open for a client located

Re: [Python-Dev] Docs of weak stdlib modules should encourage exploration of 3rd-party alternatives

2012-03-12 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 19:23, Andrey Petrov sha...@gmail.com wrote: What such a snippet might look like: Batteries are included with Python but sometimes they are old and leaky—this is one of those cases. Please have a look in PyPI for more modern alternatives provided by the Python

Re: [Python-Dev] Docs of weak stdlib modules should encourage exploration of 3rd-party alternatives

2012-03-12 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 21:14, Andrey Petrov sha...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Brian Curtin br...@python.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 19:23, Andrey Petrov sha...@gmail.com wrote: What such a snippet might look like: Batteries are included with Python but sometimes

Re: [Python-Dev] Docs of weak stdlib modules should encourage exploration of 3rd-party alternatives

2012-03-13 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 14:13, Kenneth Reitz m...@kennethreitz.com wrote: I think the cheesehop trove classifiers would be the ideal way to agnostically link to a page of packages related to the standard package in question. No need for sort order. Randomize the order for all I care. We still

Re: [Python-Dev] Python install layout and the PATH on win32

2012-03-13 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 14:43, VanL van.lindb...@gmail.com wrote: Following up on conversations at PyCon, I want to bring up one of my personal hobby horses for change in 3.3: Fix install layout on Windows, with a side order of making the PATH work better. Short version: 1) The layout for

[Python-Dev] 2012 Language Summit Report

2012-03-14 Thread Brian Curtin
As with last year, I've put together a summary of the Python Language Summit which took place last week at PyCon 2012. This was compiled from my notes as well as those of Eric Snow and Senthil Kumaran, and I think we got decent coverage of what was said throughout the day.

Re: [Python-Dev] 2012 Language Summit Report

2012-03-14 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 13:52, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Thanks for the comprehensive report (I'm still reading).  May I request for the future that you also paste a copy in the email to the group, for purposes of archiving and ease of discussing?  (Just like we also post PEPs to

[Python-Dev] 2012 Language Summit Report (updated, included here)

2012-03-14 Thread Brian Curtin
that PEP `397`_ was something we should accept. Brian Curtin spoke in favor of the PEP, as well as mentioning ongoing work on the Windows installer to optionally add the executable's directory to the Path. After discussion outside of the summit, it was additionally agreed upon that the launcher should

Re: [Python-Dev] Python install layout and the PATH on win32

2012-03-16 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 19:53, Mark Hammond skippy.hamm...@gmail.com wrote: For the sake of brain-storming, how about this: * All executables and scripts go into the root of the Python install. This directory is largely empty now - it is mainly a container for other directories.  This would

Re: [Python-Dev] inspect.py change for pygame

2012-03-18 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 23:13, ncdave4life ncdave4l...@gmail.com wrote: I noticed that pydoc doesn't work for pygame under python 3.2.1 for Win32: NotImplementedError: scrap module not available (ImportError: No module named scrap) I made a small patch to inspect.py to solve the problem (I

Re: [Python-Dev] Python install layout and the PATH on win32

2012-03-20 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:52, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: In hearing from a couple people who teach python to beginners, this is a substantial hurdle - the first thing they need to do is to edit their environment to add these directories to the PATH. This is something I never

Re: [Python-Dev] Python install layout and the PATH on win32 (Rationale part 1: Regularizing the layout)

2012-03-22 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:59, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: Note - that is not Regularizing the layout. You have not made any changes to OS/2 (which matches Windows at the moment). I think that would be a wasted effort with OS/2 entering unsupported mode in 3.3, and OS/2 specific code

Re: [Python-Dev] Python install layout and the PATH on win32 (Rationale part 1: Regularizing the layout)

2012-03-22 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 13:57, VanL van.lindb...@gmail.com wrote: Honestly, I didn't expect that much resistance. None of the people I talked to in person even cared, or if they did, they thought that consistency was a benefit. But now that virtualenvs are going in in 3.3, I see this as the

Re: [Python-Dev] Python install layout and the PATH on win32 (Rationale part 2: Moving the python.exe)

2012-03-22 Thread Brian Curtin
2012/3/22 VanL van.lindb...@gmail.com: Open Issues: If we do put python.exe on PATH (whether it's in bin or not), we have to debate how to handle people having multiple versions of python on their machine. In a post-PEP 397 world, no Python is the machine default - .py files are associated

Re: [Python-Dev] Python install layout and the PATH on win32 (Rationale part 2: Moving the python.exe)

2012-03-22 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 18:26, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote: Given the cost of the change, and the advent of the PEP-397 Launcher, I also vote -1. Can you provide some justification other than a number? It's a pretty cheap change and the launcher solves somewhat of a different problem.

Re: [Python-Dev] Rename time.steady(strict=True) to time.monotonic()?

2012-03-23 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mar 23, 2012 6:25 PM, Victor Stinner victor.stin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, time.steady(strict=True) looks to be confusing for most people, some of them don't understand the purpose of the flag and others don't like a flag changing the behaviour of the function. I propose to replace

Re: [Python-Dev] Rename time.steady(strict=True) to time.monotonic()?

2012-03-23 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 18:38, Yury Selivanov yselivanov...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-03-23, at 7:28 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: This seems like it should have been a PEP, or maybe should become a PEP. Why?  AFAIK Victor just proposes to add two new functions: monotonic() and steady(). We just

Re: [Python-Dev] Python install layout and the PATH on win32 (Rationale part 1: Regularizing the layout)

2012-03-24 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 07:19, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 4:35 AM, PJ Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: Just dumping things in a directory adjacent to the corresponding scripts is the original virtualenv, and it still works just dandy -- most people just

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs, iteration 2

2012-03-25 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 14:50, Andrew Svetlov andrew.svet...@gmail.com wrote: I like to see new schema only for 3.3 as sign of shiny new release. Please don't do this. It will result in endless complaints. ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] AUTO: Jon K Peck is out of the office (returning 03/30/2012)

2012-03-25 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 05:00, Jon K Peck p...@us.ibm.com wrote: I am out of the office until 03/30/2012. I will be out of the office through Friday, March 30.  I expect to have some email access but may be delayed in responding. Note: This is an automated response to your message  

[Python-Dev] Integrating the PEP 397 launcher

2012-03-29 Thread Brian Curtin
After talking with Martin and several others during the language summit and elsewhere around PyCon, PEP 397 should be accepted. I don't remember who, but some suggested it should just be a regular old feature instead of going through the PEP process. So...does this even need to continue the PEP

Re: [Python-Dev] Integrating the PEP 397 launcher

2012-03-29 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 17:45, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org wrote: 2012/3/29 Brian Curtin br...@python.org: After talking with Martin and several others during the language summit and elsewhere around PyCon, PEP 397 should be accepted. I don't remember who, but some suggested

Re: [Python-Dev] Integrating the PEP 397 launcher

2012-03-29 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 18:08, Glenn Linderman v+pyt...@g.nevcal.com wrote: All it needs is official acceptance now, and integration into the release, no? If it wasn't clear, this is what I said in the first post. ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] Integrating the PEP 397 launcher

2012-03-29 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 22:48, mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Now that we do have the PEP, I think that should be done properly. I thought you offered to rewrite it. There are definitely areas that I would like to work on, especially pulling implementation details out and replacing with, as you

Re: [Python-Dev] Issue13210 : Support Visual Studio 2010

2012-03-31 Thread Brian Curtin
2012/3/31 Kristján Valur Jónsson krist...@ccpgames.com: Hi, Does anyone object if I submit my patches sxs.patch and errnomodule.patch? These allow python to work correctly when built with vs2010. There is also the PCBuild10.patch, but that can wait.  I'm sure a number of people are

Re: [Python-Dev] .{git,bzr}ignore in cpython HG repo

2012-04-01 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 10:00, Matěj Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote: Why does HG cpython repo contains .{bzr,git}ignore at all? IMHO, all .*ignore files should be strictly repository dependent and they should not be mixed together. For what reason? Are the git or bzr files causing issues on HG?

Re: [Python-Dev] .{git,bzr}ignore in cpython HG repo

2012-04-01 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 17:31, Matěj Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote: On 1.4.2012 23:46, Brian Curtin wrote: For what reason? Are the git or bzr files causing issues on HG? No, but wrong .gitignore causes issues with git repo obtained via hg-fast-import. If it is meant as an intentional sabotage

[Python-Dev] Preparation for VS2010 - MSDN for Windows build slaves, core devs

2012-04-02 Thread Brian Curtin
Hi all, If you are a running a build slave or otherwise have an MSDN account for development work, please check that your MSDN subscription is still in effect. If the subscription expired, please let me know in private what your subscriber ID is along with the email address you use for the

Re: [Python-Dev] Remove of w9xopen

2012-04-03 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 14:59, Andrew Svetlov andrew.svet...@gmail.com wrote: I filed the issue http://bugs.python.org/issue14470 for removing w9xopen from subprocess as python 3.3 has declaration about finishing support of Windows 2000 and Win9x family. But, as I see, VC project for building

[Python-Dev] Upgrading tcl/tk deps

2012-04-09 Thread Brian Curtin
Can someone let me in on the process to upgrade tcl and tk on svn.python.org? For the VS2010 port it looks like I need to upgrade since the 8.5.9 versions do not work. They use link options that choke on 2010. Taking 8.5.11, which is the current release, seems to work out alright so far. It seems

Re: [Python-Dev] Upgrading tcl/tk deps

2012-04-09 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 18:41, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: In particular, it should include a recent fix so that French keyboards work with tk/tkinter and hence Idle better than now. There has been more than one complaint about this. Do you know when this was fixed or have any

Re: [Python-Dev] Upgrading tcl/tk deps

2012-04-09 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 20:53, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 4/9/2012 7:53 PM, Brian Curtin wrote: On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 18:41, Terry Reedytjre...@udel.edu  wrote: In particular, it should include a recent fix so that French keyboards work with tk/tkinter and hence Idle better than

Re: [Python-Dev] A couple of PEP 418 comments

2012-04-13 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:29, Victor Stinner I will move the precision of monotonic clock of Windows 9x info into this table. I would just remove it entirely. It's not relevant since it's not supported. ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Fix #10854. Make use of the new path and name attributes on ImportError

2012-04-16 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 09:52, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 07:19, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 07:10:31 +0200 brian.curtin python-check...@python.org wrote: PyErr_SetFromImportErrorWithNameAndPath Apparently this new

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Fix #10854. Make use of the new path and name attributes on ImportError

2012-04-16 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 09:54, Brian Curtin br...@python.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 09:52, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 07:19, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 07:10:31 +0200 brian.curtin python-check...@python.org wrote

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Add documentation for the new PyErr_SetFromImport* functions

2012-04-16 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 18:02, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: On 16.04.2012 22:14, brian.curtin wrote: http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/5cc8b717b38c changeset:   76363:5cc8b717b38c user:        Brian Curtinbr...@python.org date:        Mon Apr 16 15:14:36 2012 -0500 summary:   Add

Re: [Python-Dev] __hash__ documentation

2012-04-18 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 13:07, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote: http://bugs.python.org/issue14617 Patch attached to issue. Can I request that you not immediately post issues to python-dev? Those who follow the bug tracker will see the issue and act accordingly. (unless I missed some

Re: [Python-Dev] Cython for cPickle?

2012-04-19 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 05:38, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: What do you think? I think the possible use of Cython for standard library extension modules is potentially worth looking into for the 3.4 timeframe

Re: [Python-Dev] Cython for cPickle?

2012-04-19 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 16:08, Stefan Behnel While code generation alleviates the burden of tedious languages, it's also infinitely more complex, makes debugging very difficult and adds to prerequisite knowledge, among other drawbacks. You can use gdb for source level debugging of Cython code

Re: [Python-Dev] Cython for cPickle?

2012-04-19 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 17:21, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: Brian Curtin, 19.04.2012 23:19: On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 16:08, Stefan Behnel While code generation alleviates the burden of tedious languages, it's also infinitely more complex, makes debugging very difficult and adds

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython (2.7): #14538: HTMLParser can now parse correctly start tags that contain a bare /.

2012-04-24 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 14:34, Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org wrote: Le 24/04/2012 15:02, Georg Brandl a écrit : On 24.04.2012 20:34, Benjamin Peterson wrote: 2012/4/24 Georg Brandlg.bra...@gmx.net: I think that's misleading: there's no way to correctly parse malformed HTML. There is in

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: Fix #3561. Add an option to place the Python installation into the Windows Path

2012-04-25 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 08:13, brian.curtin python-check...@python.org wrote: http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/4e9f1017355f changeset:   76556:4e9f1017355f user:        Brian Curtin br...@python.org date:        Wed Apr 25 08:12:37 2012 -0500 summary:  Fix #3561. Add an option to place

Re: [Python-Dev] outdated info on download pages for older versions

2012-05-02 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/05/2012 19.33, Michael Foord wrote: On 2 May 2012, at 16:55, Terry Reedy wrote: I would send the above to webmas...@python.org (should be at the bottom of pages). We develop CPython but do not directly manage

Re: [Python-Dev] Does trunk still support any compilers that *don't* allow declaring variables after code?

2012-05-04 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman dirk...@ochtman.nl wrote: On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Larry Hastings la...@hastings.org wrote: Do we officially support any C compilers that *don't* permit intermingled variable declarations and code?  Do we *unofficially* support any?  And

Re: [Python-Dev] Preparation for VS2010 - MSDN for Windows build slaves, core devs

2012-05-12 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Brian Curtin br...@python.org wrote: Hi all, If you are a running a build slave or otherwise have an MSDN account for development work, please check that your MSDN subscription is still in effect. If the subscription expired, please let me know in private what

Re: [Python-Dev] Preparation for VS2010 - MSDN for Windows build slaves, core devs

2012-05-13 Thread Brian Curtin
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 2:30 AM, mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: If build slave owners could let me know when their machine has VS2010 I'd appreciate it. I got the go-ahead to commit the port but want to wait until the build slaves are ready for it. Please don't wait, but let the build slaves

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] devguide: Add VS2010 link and text, then restructure a few things

2012-05-16 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 2:52 AM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: +All versions previous to 3.3 use Microsoft Visual Studio 2008, available at +https://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/products/2008-editions/express. This isn't actually the case. 2.4 and 2.5 used Visual Studio

Re: [Python-Dev] 64-bit Windows buildbots needed

2012-05-16 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Hello all, We still need 64-bit Windows buildbots to test for regressions. Otherwise we might let regressions slip through, since few people seem to run the test suite under Windows at home. The machine that I used

Re: [Python-Dev] docs.python.org pointing to Python 3 by default?

2012-05-18 Thread Brian Curtin
On May 18, 2012 1:26 PM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: At what point should we cut over docs.python.org to point to the Python 3 documentation by default? Today sounds good to me. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] possible bug in distutils (Mingw32CCompiler)?

2012-05-24 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Sturla Molden stu...@molden.no wrote: Mingw32CCompiler in cygwincompiler.py emits the symbol -mno-cygwin. This is used to make Cygwin's gcc behave as mingw. As of gcc 4.6 it is not recognized by the mingw gcc compiler itself, and causes as crash. It should be

Re: [Python-Dev] VS 11 Express is Metro only.

2012-05-24 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: The free Visual Studio 11 Express for Windows 8 (still in beta) will produce both 32 and 64 bit binaries and allow multiple languages but will only produce Metro apps. For desktop apps, either the paid Visual Studio versions

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython (3.2): Issue12510: Attempting to get invalid tooltip no longer closes Idle.

2012-05-28 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: +            except:                  return None except Exception may be better here. Idle's Shell catches all exceptions. I think the attempt to provide an optional help (a function signature) should too. Can you

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Issue #14744: Fix compilation on Windows (part 2)

2012-05-30 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Kristján Valur Jónsson krist...@ccpgames.com wrote: -Original Message- From: R. David Murray [mailto:rdmur...@bitdance.com] The ValueError: Invalid format string was coming from a broken-on- windows test_calendar test I checked in.  It is fixed now

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Issue #14744: Fix compilation on Windows (part 2)

2012-05-30 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Kristján Valur Jónsson krist...@ccpgames.com wrote: -Original Message- From: Brian Curtin [mailto:br...@python.org] Sent: 30. maí 2012 15:56 To: Kristján Valur Jónsson Cc: python-dev@python.org Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Issue #14744: Fix

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 11 change: Windows Support Lifecycle

2012-06-01 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 8:22 AM, mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: I have just codified our current policy on supporting Windows releases, namely that we only support some Windows version until Microsoft ends its extended support period. As a consequence, Windows XP will be supported until

Re: [Python-Dev] what is happening with the regex module going into Python 3.3?

2012-06-01 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 6/1/2012 1:27 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: About the only thing I can think of from the language summit that we discussed doing for Python 3.3 that has not come about is accepting the regex module and getting it into the

Re: [Python-Dev] what is happening with the regex module going into Python 3.3?

2012-06-01 Thread Brian Curtin
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Umpteen versions of regex have been available on pypi for years. Umpteen bugs against the original re module have been fixed.  If regex can't now go into the standard library, what on earth can? Reviewing a 4000 line

Re: [Python-Dev] what is happening with the regex module going into Python 3.3?

2012-06-04 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote: But changes to the stdlib (bug fixes or functional changes) are very likely to run at a slower pace to what third-party packages can afford. If you continue to develop regex outside of the stdlib, that could cause

Re: [Python-Dev] Using pdb with greenlet

2012-06-12 Thread Brian Curtin
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Salman Malik salma...@live.com wrote: Hi All, I am sort of a newbie to Python ( have just started to use pdb). My problem is that I am debugging an application that uses greenlets and when I encounter something in code that spawns the coroutines or wait for an

Re: [Python-Dev] backporting stdlib 2.7.x from pypy to cpython

2012-06-13 Thread Brian Curtin
On Jun 13, 2012 8:31 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote: Cameron Simpson writes: This approach has its own problems. Is the proposed list, like many lists, restricted to accept posts only from subscribers? If that is the case, when someone CCs the VM list, everyone

Re: [Python-Dev] FWD: Windows 3.2.3 64 bit installers are actually 3.2

2012-06-14 Thread Brian Curtin
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Aahz a...@pythoncraft.com wrote: Note: I'm no-mail on python-dev - Forwarded message from Sean Johnson seanjohnso...@gmail.com - Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 03:48:55 -0400 From: Sean Johnson seanjohnso...@gmail.com To: webmas...@python.org Subject:

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.3 beta in one week

2012-06-18 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 2:17 AM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: this is just a quick reminder that the feature freeze for 3.3 will start next weekend with the release of beta1.  Since  I won't be able to shift that date for short periods (the next possible date for me would be

[Python-Dev] PEP 397 - Last Comments

2012-06-18 Thread Brian Curtin
Martin approached me earlier and requested that I act as PEP czar for 397. I haven't been involved in the writing of the PEP and have been mostly observing from the outside, so I accepted and hope to get this wrapped up quickly and implemented in time for the beta. The PEP is pretty complete, but

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