Re: [Python-Dev] Nosy lists on issue tracker.

2008-02-19 Thread Georg Brandl
Benjamin Peterson schrieb: Hi, What is the policy regarding nosy lists? Is it appropriate it add people to it besides oneself? As I cannot assign items, I'm sometimes tempted to add someone relevant to the list. (ie Should I add Georg to documentation related issues?) In my case, yes

Re: [Python-Dev] Small RFEs and the Bug Tracker

2008-02-22 Thread Georg Brandl
Nick Coghlan schrieb: Facundo Batista wrote: First two definitions of resolve from the American Heritage dict: 1. To make a firm decision about. 2. To cause (a person) to reach a decision. I think it applies quite well. It only tells you that a resolution was reached, not what that

Re: [Python-Dev] boilerplate.tex

2008-02-22 Thread Georg Brandl
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: This message has been popping up in the buildbot mails for several days: Conflict detected in commontex/boilerplate.tex. Doc build skipped. I have no idea what it means. I don't see it within the core distribution. Can someone take a look at this? Neal

Re: [Python-Dev] Backporting PEP 3127 to trunk

2008-02-23 Thread Georg Brandl
Eric Smith schrieb: Guido van Rossum wrote: I wonder if, in order to change the behavior of various built-in functions, it wouldn't be easier to be able to write from future_builtins import oct, hex # and who knows what else This makes sense to me, especially if we have a 2to3 fixer

Re: [Python-Dev] Code freeze?

2008-02-29 Thread Georg Brandl
Scott Dial schrieb: Barry Warsaw wrote: Alterntaively, I guess you could just suggest that people check the buildbot page for their platforms before downloading Yes, good idea. I'm only going to cut source tarballs for the alphas. I apologize for having doubt in your plan, and I

Re: [Python-Dev] download python-2.6 docs?

2008-02-29 Thread Georg Brandl
Neal Becker schrieb: http://docs.python.org/dev/download.html I want a pdf. The above link says: To download an archive containing all the documents for this version of Python in one of various formats, follow one of links in this table. But there are no links. Unfortunately, we

Re: [Python-Dev] The release process

2008-03-01 Thread Georg Brandl
Barry Warsaw schrieb: PEP 101 is sorely out of date, especially with regards to updating web content and the Python documentation. I think I now know how to update the python.org web site, but the new Python documentation format is still a mystery to me. If someone would like to help update

[Python-Dev] _abcoll Callable bug

2008-03-03 Thread Georg Brandl
The Callable abc has a __contains__ but no __call__ method. I'd fix this, but am unsure which args it should get. Georg ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe:

Re: [Python-Dev] Documentation for ability to execute zipfiles directories

2008-03-04 Thread Georg Brandl
Steve Holden schrieb: Paul Moore wrote: On 04/03/2008, Nick Coghlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do we need a new appendix to the tutorial which goes into detail about the CPython interpreter's command line options, environment variables and details on what can be executed? There is a Python

Re: [Python-Dev] Documentation reorganization

2008-03-04 Thread Georg Brandl
Adam Olsen schrieb: I don't pretend to be speaking for anyone else, but I'd be surprised if I were unique.wink Your experiences *shouldn't* be unique, but I'm afraid they might be. Another example is the use of BNF, which although dominant in its field, it provides a steep learning curve

Re: [Python-Dev] Documentation for ability to execute zipfiles directories

2008-03-05 Thread Georg Brandl
Nick Coghlan schrieb: Georg Brandl wrote: Steve Holden schrieb: Paul Moore wrote: On 04/03/2008, Nick Coghlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do we need a new appendix to the tutorial which goes into detail about the CPython interpreter's command line options, environment variables and details

Re: [Python-Dev] Auto-Assignment

2008-03-06 Thread Georg Brandl
implemented as a special case), and Documentation and Sphinx to Georg Brandl. Thanks Martin! Georg ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options

[Python-Dev] Link in license broken

2008-03-14 Thread Georg Brandl
While fixing the broken links in the docs, I saw that the link to http://www.pythonlabs.com/logos.html in the BEOPEN PYTHON OPEN SOURCE LICENSE AGREEMENT VERSION 1 is broken. What to do about that? Georg ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.6 and 3.0 project management

2008-03-16 Thread Georg Brandl
Guido van Rossum schrieb: But perhaps the best feature is hot lists -- arbitrary, ordered, groupings of selected bugs. Each bug can be assigned to as many hot lists as you want. Seeing the list of all bugs in a particular hot list is one click away. We use this for overlaying project

Re: [Python-Dev] Questions/comments on documentation formatting

2009-01-21 Thread Georg Brandl
Brett Cannon schrieb: I have been writing up the initial docs for importlib and four things struck me: 1. Why is three space indents the preferred indentation level? As said, it matches directive content with directive headers nicely. Ben's solution is nice as well, but now that we have

Re: [Python-Dev] Questions/comments on documentation formatting

2009-01-22 Thread Georg Brandl
Brett Cannon schrieb: 3. Are brackets for optional arguments (e.g. ``def fxn(a [, b=None [, c=None]])``) really necessary when default argument values are present? And do we really need to nest the brackets when it is obvious that having on optional argument means the rest are optional as

Re: [Python-Dev] Questions/comments on documentation formatting

2009-01-22 Thread Georg Brandl
Brett Cannon schrieb: 4. The var directive is not working even though the docs list it as a valid directive; so is it still valid and something is broken, or the docs need to be updated? (First, you're confusing directive and role which led to some confusion on Benjamin's part.) Where is

[Python-Dev] IDLE docs at python.org/idle

2009-01-26 Thread Georg Brandl
(re #5066) Is that documentation maintained in some way? Shouldn't it be merged into the main docs? Georg ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe:

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.0.1

2009-01-27 Thread Georg Brandl
Raymond Hettinger schrieb: [Martin] I would fear that than 3.1 gets the same fate as 3.0. In May, we will all think what piece of junk was that 3.1 release, let's put it to history, and replace it with 3.2. By then, users will wonder if there is ever a 3.x release that is any good. I

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.0.1

2009-01-31 Thread Georg Brandl
Guido van Rossum schrieb: Frankly, I don't really believe the users for whom those rules were created are using 3.0 yet. Instead, I expect there to be two types of users: people in the educational business who don't have a lot of bridges to burn and are eager to use the new features; and

Re: [Python-Dev] yield * (Re: Missing operator.call)

2009-02-08 Thread Georg Brandl
gl...@divmod.com schrieb: On 01:00 am, greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote: Guido van Rossum wrote: We already have yield expressions and they mean something else... They don't have a * in them, though, and I don't think the existing meaning of yield as an expression would carry over into the

Re: [Python-Dev] Tracker archeology

2009-02-13 Thread Georg Brandl
Daniel (ajax) Diniz schrieb: Over-spammig: Sorry, Georg! I only noticed all issues in the Documentation component are auto-assigned to you today. This meant dozens of unasked for assignments :-/ That's okay, I'll go through them at the weekend and just unassign what I won't manage to do.

Re: [Python-Dev] Small misleadingness in docs

2009-02-14 Thread Georg Brandl
Raymond Hettinger schrieb: [Greg Ewing] I've discovered something slightly misleading in the docs for PyObject_IsInstance: When testing if B is a subclass of A, if A is B, PyObject_IsSubclass returns true. If A and B are different objects, B's __bases__ attribute is searched... This

Re: [Python-Dev] To 3.0.2 or not to 3.0.2?

2009-02-17 Thread Georg Brandl
Benjamin Peterson schrieb: On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:25 AM, Samuele Pedroni pedro...@openend.se wrote: Didn't a test fail because of this? seems the underlying issue is that this part of the stdlib didn't have enough test coverage. It seems that having very good/improving test coverage like is

Re: [Python-Dev] To 3.0.2 or not to 3.0.2?

2009-02-18 Thread Georg Brandl
Benjamin Peterson schrieb: On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Benjamin Peterson schrieb: On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:25 AM, Samuele Pedroni pedro...@openend.se wrote: Didn't a test fail because of this? seems the underlying issue is that this part

Re: [Python-Dev] A suggestion: Do proto-PEPs in Google Docs

2009-02-20 Thread Georg Brandl
Stephen J. Turnbull schrieb: FWIW, Google Docs is almost there. Working with Brett et al on early drafts of PEP 0374 was easy and pleasant, and Google Docs gives control of access to the document to the editor, not the Subversion admin. The ability to make comments that are not visible to

Re: [Python-Dev] IO implementation: in C and Python?

2009-02-20 Thread Georg Brandl
Antoine Pitrou schrieb: Benjamin Peterson benjamin at python.org writes: As we prepare to merge the io-c branch, the question has come up [1] about the original Python implementation. Should it just be deleted in favor C version? The wish to maintain the two implementations together has

Re: [Python-Dev] Googlebot and the mail.python.org python-dev archive

2009-02-28 Thread Georg Brandl
Guido van Rossum schrieb: I think the better syntax would be to add site:mail.python.org to the query, but you're right, that doesn't seem to find recent messages. Maybe the absence of a robots.txt file on mail.python.org could be a partial explanation? Doesn't the absence of a robots.txt

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 372 -- Adding an ordered directory to collections ready for pronouncement

2009-03-02 Thread Georg Brandl
Benjamin Peterson schrieb: 2009/3/1 Armin Ronacher armin.ronac...@active-4.com: Hi everybody, PEP 372 was modified so that it provides a simpler API (only the dict API to be exact) and it was decided to start with a Python-only implementation and replace it with a C version later if

Re: [Python-Dev] Integrate BeautifulSoup into stdlib?

2009-03-04 Thread Georg Brandl
James Y Knight schrieb: On Mar 4, 2009, at 9:56 AM, Chris Withers wrote: Vaibhav Mallya wrote: We do have HTMLParser, but that doesn't handle malformed pages well, and just isn't as nice as BeautifulSoup. Interesting, given that BeautifulSoup is built on HTMLParser ;-) I think

Re: [Python-Dev] running the tests...

2009-03-05 Thread Georg Brandl
Chris Withers schrieb: Hi All, I found the very brief snippet on test-running at: http://python.org/dev/faq/#how-to-test-a-patch so thought I'd ask here: - what's the canonical way to run all the tests? Assuming UNIXy OSes: make test, or if you want to save a bit of time, make

Re: [Python-Dev] What level of detail wanted for import and the language reference?

2009-03-18 Thread Georg Brandl
Benjamin Peterson schrieb: 2009/3/16 Brett Cannon br...@python.org: At this point importlib is done for its public API for Python 3.1. That means it's time to turn my attention to making sure the semantics of import are well documented. But where to put all of the details? The language

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial?

2009-04-05 Thread Georg Brandl
Dirkjan Ochtman schrieb: On 05/04/2009 12:27, Antoine Pitrou wrote: There's also the issue of how we adapt the current workflow of svnmerging between branches when we want to back- or forward-port stuff. In particular, tracking of already done or blocked backports. Right. The canonical way

Re: [Python-Dev] Generator methods - what's next ?

2009-04-05 Thread Georg Brandl
Firephoenix schrieb: Hello everyone I'm a little confused by the recent changes to the generator system... I basically agreed with renaming the next() method to __next__(), so as to follow the naming of other similar methods (__iter__() etc.). But I noticed then that all the other

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial?

2009-04-05 Thread Georg Brandl
Antoine Pitrou schrieb: Georg Brandl g.brandl at gmx.net writes: When commits with bad whitespace changes are rejected on push, this is a pretty good incentive to run the pre-commit hook next time, so that you don't have to re-do all the commits in that batch :) Do you really have to re

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial?

2009-04-05 Thread Georg Brandl
Martin v. Löwis schrieb: We could pre-record the list of allowed names in a hook, then have the hook check that usernames include one of those names and an email address (so people can still start using another email address). What about commits from other people, e.g. pulled from a repo

Re: [Python-Dev] FWD: Library Reference is incomplete

2009-04-07 Thread Georg Brandl
Thomas Wouters schrieb: Anyone able to look into this and fix it? Having all of the normal entrypoints for documentation broken is rather inconvenient for users :-) A rebuild should do the trick, I'll fix this ASAP. Georg ___ Python-Dev mailing

Re: [Python-Dev] PyCFunction_* Missing

2009-04-11 Thread Georg Brandl
Campbell Barton schrieb: Hi, Just noticed the new Python 2.6.2 docs now dont have any reference to * PyCFunction_New * PyCFunction_NewEx * PyCFunction_Check * PyCFunction_Call Ofcourse these are still in the source code but Im wondering if this is intentional that these functions should

[Python-Dev] Python Bug Day on April 23

2009-04-15 Thread Georg Brandl
Hi, I'd like to announce that there will be a Python Bug Day on April 23. As always, this is a perfect opportunity to get involved in Python development, or bring your own issues to attention, discuss them and (hopefully) resolve them together with the core developers. We will coordinate over

[Python-Dev] Correction: Python Bug Day on April 25

2009-04-15 Thread Georg Brandl
Hi, I managed to screw up the date, so here it goes again: I'd like to announce that there will be a Python Bug Day on April 25. As always, this is a perfect opportunity to get involved in Python development, or bring your own issues to attention, discuss them and (hopefully) resolve them

Re: [Python-Dev] Correction: Python Bug Day on April 25

2009-04-15 Thread Georg Brandl
Maciej Fijalkowski schrieb: On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Georg Brandl ge...@python.org wrote: Hi, I managed to screw up the date, so here it goes again: I'd like to announce that there will be a Python Bug Day on April 25. Are you aware that this directly conflicts with TurboGears

[Python-Dev] Reminder: Python Bug Day on Saturday

2009-04-23 Thread Georg Brandl
Hi, I'd like to remind everyoone that there will be a Python Bug Day on April 25. As always, this is a perfect opportunity to get involved in Python development, or bring your own issues to attention, discuss them and (hopefully) resolve them together with the core developers. We will

Re: [Python-Dev] PyEval_Call* convenience functions

2009-04-24 Thread Georg Brandl
Tim Lesher schrieb: Is there a reason that the PyEval_CallFunction() and PyEval_CallMethod() convenience functions remain undocumented? (i.e., would a doc-and-test patch to correct this be rejected?) I didn't see any mention of this coming up in python-dev before. Also, despite its name,

[Python-Dev] multi-with statement

2009-05-02 Thread Georg Brandl
Hi, this is just a short notice that Mattias Brändström and I have finished a patch to implement the previously discussed and mostly warmly welcomed extension to with's syntax, allowing with A() as a, B() as b: to be written instead of with A() as a: with B() as b: This syntax

Re: [Python-Dev] multi-with statement

2009-05-02 Thread Georg Brandl
Fredrik Johansson schrieb: On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Hi, this is just a short notice that Mattias Brändström and I have finished a patch to implement the previously discussed and mostly warmly welcomed extension to with's syntax, allowing

Re: [Python-Dev] special method lookup: how much do we care?

2009-05-09 Thread Georg Brandl
Benjamin Peterson schrieb: A while ago, Guido declared that all special method lookups on new-style classes bypass __getattr__ and __getattribute__. This almost completely consistent now, and I've been working on patching up a few incorrect cases. I've know hit __enter__ and __exit__. The

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 384: Defining a Stable ABI

2009-05-17 Thread Georg Brandl
Martin v. Löwis schrieb: Header Files and Preprocessor Definitions - Applications shall only include the header file Python.h (before including any system headers), or, optionally, include pyconfig.h, and then Python.h. What about structmember.h?

Re: [Python-Dev] cleanup before 3.1 is released

2009-05-30 Thread Georg Brandl
Neal Norwitz schrieb: Has anyone run valgrind/purify and pychecker/pylint on the 3.1 code recently? Both sets of tools should be used before the final release so we can fix any obvious problems. Do pychecker/pylint work on 3.x code? Gerog -- Thus spake the Lord: Thou shalt indent with

Re: [Python-Dev] Issues with Py3.1's new ipaddr

2009-06-03 Thread Georg Brandl
Benjamin Peterson schrieb: 2009/6/2 Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org: Benjamin, what would be involved in removing it? I suppose there's the module itself, some unit tests, and some docs. (I'm not asking you to remove it yet -- but I'm asking to look into the consequences, so that we can be

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft PEP 385: Migrating from svn to Mercurial

2009-06-06 Thread Georg Brandl
Antoine Pitrou schrieb: Dirkjan Ochtman dirkjan at ochtman.nl writes: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0385/ « [cloned branches] makes it easier to distinguish branches, at the expense of requiring more disk space on the client. » This is a bit misleading. Actually, by separating

Re: [Python-Dev] Roundup keywords for bug tracking

2009-06-06 Thread Georg Brandl
Daniel Diniz schrieb: anatoly techtonik wrote: It is impossible to edit roundup keywords and this takes away the flexibility in selecting bugs related to a module/function/test or some other aspect of development. For example, I need to gather all subprocess bugs in one query and things that

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft PEP 385: Migrating from svn to Mercurial

2009-06-08 Thread Georg Brandl
Frank Wierzbicki schrieb: At PyCon, we discussed moving Jython's svn repository to Python's with Martin von Löwis. I would think that Jython would live in Python's hg repository in the same way as stackless and distutils. Has the parallel project strategy been determined? Will they be

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft PEP 385: Migrating from svn to Mercurial

2009-06-08 Thread Georg Brandl
Frank Wierzbicki schrieb: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Dirkjan Ochtmandirk...@ochtman.nl wrote: I'd say migrating to Python's svn doesn't make a whole lot of sense at this point, but I'll leave that to Martin (since he has to do the work). For the conversion, I can just as well take the

Re: [Python-Dev] draft pep: backwards compatibility

2009-06-19 Thread Georg Brandl
Benjamin Peterson schrieb: Backwards compatibility seems to be an issue that arises a lot here. I think we all have an idea of it is, but we need some hard place to point to. So here's my attempt: Yet another rather pointless bikeshed: if this becomes policy, maybe it should get a PEP number

Re: [Python-Dev] draft pep: backwards compatibility

2009-06-19 Thread Georg Brandl
R. David Murray schrieb: On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 at 14:15, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Benjamin Peterson benjamin at python.org writes: I mean that if you pass X and Y into a function and get Z in 2.6, then you should be able to get Z from passing X and Y in 2.7 even if there's a new argument that

Re: [Python-Dev] Adding syntax for units of measure

2009-06-23 Thread Georg Brandl
Tobias C. Rittweiler schrieb: Hi! Has anyone added special syntax to allow writing numeric literals with physical units? So you can write 12m + 34cm, and would get 12.34m. My question is how would you modify the BNF the most sensible way to allow for this? The above example is simple, but

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.1 final

2009-06-28 Thread Georg Brandl
Benjamin Peterson schrieb: On behalf of the Python development team, I'm thrilled to announce the first production release of Python 3.1. Congrats! Georg -- Thus spake the Lord: Thou shalt indent with four spaces. No more, no less. Four shall be the number of spaces thou shalt indent, and

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial migration: progress report (PEP 385)

2009-07-03 Thread Georg Brandl
Dirkjan Ochtman schrieb: - Fifth, here's a list of things, off the top of my head, that still need doing: * Get agreement on branch strategy and branch processing (list of branches + proposed handling at http://hg.python.org/pymigr/file/tip/all-branches.txt) --- PLEASE REVIEW Do you

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial migration: progress report (PEP 385)

2009-07-05 Thread Georg Brandl
Martin v. Löwis schrieb: We could add another value in the tuple that specifies the VCS: ('CPython', 'branches/release25-maint', '61464', 'svn'). I agree that VCSs are not universally the same, but the concept of a revision is universal. Actually, I think that's not the case. For bzr, the

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial migration: progress report (PEP 385)

2009-07-05 Thread Georg Brandl
Martin v. Löwis schrieb: It will handle it, for sure, but I think it would all go easier if we could work with stricter subset branches (and leave the effective cherrypicking for the occasional problem). So I think the PEP should propose a workflow (or: merge flow) if you think we would be

[Python-Dev] Document None values in sys.modules?

2009-07-23 Thread Georg Brandl
Hi all, is the presence of None values in sys.modules considered an implementation detail? If not, it should be documented what the None values mean to the interpreter. Georg -- Thus spake the Lord: Thou shalt indent with four spaces. No more, no less. Four shall be the number of spaces thou

Re: [Python-Dev] Update to Python Documentation Website Request

2009-07-24 Thread Georg Brandl
David Lyon schrieb: On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 03:23:57 +0200, Christian Heimes li...@cheimes.de wrote: I'm sorry to inform you that a wxWindows based solution has zero change to get into the Python standard library ever. We are not going to add another GUI toolkit to the core distribution. In

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 385: the eol-type issue

2009-08-05 Thread Georg Brandl
Neil Hodgson schrieb: Martin v. Löwis: Or don't you understand why that single unresolved item didn't manage to revert the decision? Well, there are many unresolved items in the Mercurial conversion, some much more stressful than the eol issue (e.g. the branching discussion). Then

Re: [Python-Dev] standard library mimetypes module pathologically broken?

2009-08-13 Thread Georg Brandl
Nick Coghlan schrieb: Nick Coghlan wrote: Benjamin Peterson wrote: rant If python-dev was more interested, we would have a policy for this. *cough* /rant PEP 5 isn't enough? (I'll grant that PEP could probably do with mentioning the use of warnings.warn(DeprecationWarning) explicitly, but

Re: [Python-Dev] test failure on py3k branch in test___all__

2009-09-04 Thread Georg Brandl
Chris Withers schrieb: Hi All, Anyone know what's causing this failure? test test___all__ failed -- Traceback (most recent call last): File Lib/test/test___all__.py, line 106, in test_all self.check_all(profile) File Lib/test/test___all__.py, line 23, in check_all

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython (3.2): I should be someone

2011-10-29 Thread Georg Brandl
On 10/28/11 22:05, florent.xicluna wrote: http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/6f56e81da8f6 changeset: 73171:6f56e81da8f6 branch: 3.2 parent: 73167:09d0510e1c50 user:Florent Xicluna florent.xicl...@gmail.com date:Fri Oct 28 22:03:55 2011 +0200 summary: I should be

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Remove the old style [...] to denote optional args and show the defaults.

2011-11-08 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 08.11.2011 21:30, schrieb brian.curtin: http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/60ae7979fec8 changeset: 73463:60ae7979fec8 user:Brian Curtin br...@python.org date:Tue Nov 08 14:30:02 2011 -0600 summary: Remove the old style [...] to denote optional args and show the defaults.

Re: [Python-Dev] documenting the Hg commit message hooks in the devguide

2011-11-11 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 11.11.2011 20:24, schrieb Eli Bendersky: Hi, Our Hg repo has some useful hooks on commit messages that allow to specify which issue to notify for commits, and which issue to close. AFAIU, it's currently documented only in the code of the hook

Re: [Python-Dev] order of Misc/ACKS

2011-11-12 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 12.11.2011 08:03, schrieb Stephen J. Turnbull: Eli Bendersky writes: special locale. It makes me wonder whether it's possible to have a contradiction in the ordering, i.e. have a set of names that just can't be sorted in any order acceptable by everyone. Yes, it is. The examples

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecation policy

2011-11-29 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 29.11.2011 13:46, schrieb Petri Lehtinen: Michael Foord wrote: We tend to see 3.2 - 3.3 as a major version increment, but that's just Python's terminology. Even though (in the documentation) Python's version number components are called major, minor, micro, releaselevel and serial, in

Re: [Python-Dev] Warnings

2011-12-01 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 01.12.2011 07:10, schrieb Raymond Hettinger: When updating the documentation, please don't go overboard with warnings. The docs need to be worded affirmatively -- say what a tool does and show how to use it correctly. See http://docs.python.org/documenting/style.html#affirmative-tone

Re: [Python-Dev] Style guide for FAQs?

2011-12-04 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 04.12.2011 03:55, schrieb Terry Reedy: On 12/3/2011 3:58 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 21:39:03 +0100 Antoine Pitrousolip...@pitrou.net wrote: One primary example is the performance question:

Re: [Python-Dev] Warnings

2011-12-07 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 07.12.2011 02:23, schrieb Cameron Simpson: On 30Nov2011 22:10, Raymond Hettinger raymond.hettin...@gmail.com wrote: | When updating the documentation, please don't go overboard with warnings. | The docs need to be worded affirmatively -- say what a tool does and show how to use it

Re: [Python-Dev] Potential NULL pointer dereference in descrobject.c

2011-12-17 Thread Georg Brandl
On 12/17/2011 11:33 AM, Matt Joiner wrote: ಠ_ಠ Would you please stop this? It may have been funny the first time, but now it looks like pure trolling. Georg ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Code reviews

2012-01-02 Thread Georg Brandl
On 01/02/2012 03:41 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:44:49 +1000 Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: He keeps leaving them out, I occasionally tell him they should always be included (most recently this came up when we gave conflicting advice to a patch contributor).

Re: [Python-Dev] Hash collision security issue (now public)

2012-01-02 Thread Georg Brandl
On 01/02/2012 04:47 PM, Christian Heimes wrote: Am 01.01.2012 19:45, schrieb Terry Reedy: On 1/1/2012 10:13 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: PS. Is the collision-generator used in the attack code open source? As I posted before, Alexander Klink and Julian Wälde gave their project email as

Re: [Python-Dev] Hash collision security issue (now public)

2012-01-05 Thread Georg Brandl
On 01/05/2012 09:45 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: On Jan 05, 2012, at 02:33 PM, David Malcolm wrote: We have similar issues in RHEL, with the Python versions going much further back (e.g. 2.3) When backporting the fix to ancient python versions, I'm inclined to turn the change *off* by default,

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Implement PEP 380 - 'yield from' (closes #11682)

2012-01-13 Thread Georg Brandl
Caution, long review ahead. On 01/13/2012 12:43 PM, nick.coghlan wrote: http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/d64ac9ab4cd0 changeset: 74356:d64ac9ab4cd0 user:Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com date:Fri Jan 13 21:43:40 2012 +1000 summary: Implement PEP 380 - 'yield from' (closes

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Implement PEP 380 - 'yield from' (closes #11682)

2012-01-13 Thread Georg Brandl
On 01/14/2012 07:53 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: +PyAPI_FUNC(int) PyGen_FetchStopIterationValue(PyObject **); Does this API need to be public? If yes, it needs to be documented. Hmm, good point - that one needs a bit of thought, so I've put it on the tracker: http://bugs.python.org/issue13783

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] peps: Bring the Python 3.3 feature list up to date.

2012-01-16 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 16.01.2012 17:28, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:17:42 -0500 Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: Is the change to the pyc format big enough news to go into the release PEP? Or should that just be a What's New topic? What's New sounds enough to me. The change doesn't

Re: [Python-Dev] Sphinx version for Python 2.x docs

2012-01-17 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 17.01.2012 19:02, schrieb Sandro Tosi: I should have given more info, as I wanted the opposite result :) file.next should not link to the next function but to the file.next method. Because Sphinx does not differentiate between meth/func/class/mod roles, :meth:`next` is not resolved to the

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 407: New release cycle and introducing long-term support versions

2012-01-17 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 18.01.2012 05:32, schrieb Terry Reedy: On 1/17/2012 6:42 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:29:11 -0500 Terry Reedytjre...@udel.edu wrote: To me, as I understand the proposal, the title is wrong. Our current feather releases already are long-term support versions. They get

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 407: New release cycle and introducing long-term support versions

2012-01-17 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 18.01.2012 01:24, schrieb Jeff Hardy: On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com wrote: * What is the effect on PyPy/Jython/IronPython? Can they just skip the feature releases and focus on the LTS ones? At least for IronPython it's unlikely we'd be able track

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 407: New release cycle and introducing long-term support versions

2012-01-17 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 18.01.2012 00:50, schrieb Ezio Melotti: Hi, On 17/01/2012 22.34, Antoine Pitrou wrote: [...] Proposal Under the proposed scheme, there would be two kinds of feature versions (sometimes dubbed minor versions, for example 3.2 or 3.3): normal feature versions and long-term

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 407: New release cycle and introducing long-term support versions

2012-01-18 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 18.01.2012 16:25, schrieb Stephen J. Turnbull: Antoine Pitrou writes: You claim people won't use stable releases because of not enough alphas? That sounds completely unrelated. Surely testing is related to user perceptions of stability. More testing helps reduce bugs in released

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 407 / splitting the stdlib

2012-01-18 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 18.01.2012 18:56, schrieb Brett Cannon: IOW we would have a language moratorium every 2 years (i.e. between LTS releases) while switching to a 6 month release cycle for language/VM bugfixes and full stdlib releases? That is certainly a possibility (it's listed as an open issue in the PEP).

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 407: New release cycle and introducing long-term support versions

2012-01-19 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.01.2012 01:12, schrieb Steven D'Aprano: One on-going complaint is that Python-Dev doesn't have the manpower or time to do everything that needs to be done. Bugs languish for months or years because nobody has the time to look at it. Will going to a more rapid release cycle give

Re: [Python-Dev] Counting collisions for the win

2012-01-20 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 20.01.2012 19:15, schrieb Guido van Rossum: OTOH, if you change dictionary order and *that* breaks the application, then the bugs submitted to the application's tracker will be legitimate bugs that have to be fixed even if nothing else changed. There are lots of things

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 407: New release cycle and introducing long-term support versions

2012-01-20 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 20.01.2012 00:54, schrieb Martin v. Löwis: I can't help noticing that so far, worries about the workload came mostly from people who don't actually bear that load (this is no accusation!), while those that do are the proponents of the PEP... Ok, so let me add then that I'm worried

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 407: New release cycle and introducing long-term support versions

2012-01-20 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 20.01.2012 21:08, schrieb Tim Golden: On 20/01/2012 19:14, Georg Brandl wrote: Am 20.01.2012 00:54, schrieb Martin v. Löwis: I can't help noticing that so far, worries about the workload came mostly from people who don't actually bear that load (this is no accusation!), while those

Re: [Python-Dev] exception chaining

2012-01-20 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 20.01.2012 21:05, schrieb Ethan Furman: Benjamin Peterson wrote: 2012/1/20 Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us: Summary: Exception Chaining is cool, unless you are writing libraries that want to transform from Exception X to Exception Y as the the previous exception context is unnecessary,

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.7 now uses Sphinx 1.0

2012-01-20 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 20.01.2012 20:05, schrieb Chris Withers: On 14/01/2012 16:14, Sandro Tosi wrote: Hello, just a heads-up: documentation for 2.7 branch has been ported to use sphinx 1.0, so now the same syntax can be used for 2.x and 3.x patches, hopefully easying working on both python stacks. That's

Re: [Python-Dev] exception chaining

2012-01-23 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 23.01.2012 15:49, schrieb Łukasz Langa: [graphics] Pomyśl o środowisku naturalnym zanim wydrukujesz tę wiadomość! Please consider the environment before printing out this e-mail. Oh please?! Georg ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] devguide: Use -j0 to maximimze parallel execution.

2012-01-24 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 24.01.2012 18:58, schrieb brett.cannon: http://hg.python.org/devguide/rev/a34e4a6b89dc changeset: 489:a34e4a6b89dc user:Brett Cannon br...@python.org date:Tue Jan 24 12:58:01 2012 -0500 summary: Use -j0 to maximimze parallel execution. files: runtests.rst | 2 +-

Re: [Python-Dev] plugging the hash attack

2012-01-28 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 28.01.2012 02:19, schrieb Benjamin Peterson: Hello everyone, In effort to get a fix out before Perl 6 goes mainstream, Barry and I have decided to pronounce on what we want for our stable releases. What we have decided is that 1. Simple hash randomization is the way to go. We think this

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP for allowing 'raise NewException from None'

2012-01-29 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 29.01.2012 08:42, schrieb Ethan Furman: Benjamin Peterson wrote: 2012/1/26 Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us: PEP: XXX Congratulations, you are now PEP 409. Thanks, Benjamin! So, how do I make changes to it? Please send PEP updates to the PEP editors at p...@python.org. Georg

Re: [Python-Dev] Store timestamps as decimal.Decimal objects

2012-01-30 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 31.01.2012 00:50, schrieb Matt Joiner: Sounds good, but I also prefer Alexander's method. The type information is already encoded in the class object. This way you don't need to maintain a mapping of strings to classes, and other functions/third party can join in the fun without needing

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3 optimizations, continued, continued again...

2012-01-30 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 30.01.2012 20:06, schrieb stefan brunthaler: Do you have a public repository for the code, so we can take a look? I have created a patch (as Benjamin wanted) and put all of the resources (i.e., benchmark results and the patch itself) on my home page:

Re: [Python-Dev] Store timestamps as decimal.Decimal objects

2012-01-31 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 31.01.2012 13:08, schrieb Victor Stinner: This way you don't need to maintain a mapping of strings to classes, and other functions/third party can join in the fun without needing access to the latest canonical mapping. Lastly there will be no confusion or contention for duplicate keys.

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3 optimizations, continued, continued again...

2012-01-31 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 31.01.2012 16:46, schrieb stefan brunthaler: If I read the patch correctly, most of it is auto-generated (and there is probably a few spurious changes that blow it up, such as the python-gdb.py file). Hm, honestly I don't know where the python-gdb.py file comes from, I thought it came

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