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On the other hand, if you are not using hg.python.org features such as
commits e-mails or buildbots, it's also fine living on bitbucket until
the project matures a bit.
I'm fine with that.
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.install_distinfo.install_distinfo.run()
method. I'll pull it out into such a method.
Anyone else, do chip in if you think this is insufficient or sub-optimal.
Perhaps these discussions (on the detail) should continue on distutils-sig. I'll
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as there may be security
implications (the issue is titled Improve the security model for logging
listener).
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the concerns that led to the issue being raised in the
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there is a space for a limited evaluator that's less limiting than
literal_eval(). I do realise that this type of sandboxing is not easy to
achieve,
and I'm not aiming to advance the state of the art here - I just want to close
the issue in the best way I can.
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-run make, it fails at the
ASDLGEN step, because the $HOME/bin/python3.4 script fails, due to not being
able to invoke $HOME/projects/python/default/python.
Is this a bug in configure, or is my configuration regarded as too perverse to
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! Thanks for pointing that out.
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Eli Bendersky eliben at gmail.com writes:
Use pss [http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pss]
How does it compare with grin? [http://pypi.python.org/pypi/grin]
On the face of it, they both do the same job.
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I'm not convinced that the maintenance burden of a complicated solution is
worth the heretofore unnecessary ability to bundle stuff in arbitrary ways.
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on the distribution names.
In which case, it seems sensible to put these constraints into the PEP,
so that both PEP implementers and users of those implementations have these
guidelines clarified.
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whereas with Python distributions, there's no central authority that has this
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- for example, pip runs
egg_info on downloaded packages to get updated information when determining
dependencies to be downloaded. If the Requires-Dist info in PKG-INFO can't be
relied on, surely less critical information such as Obsoletes can't be relied
on,
either?
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of a pathologically
large comment in the end record.
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on top of it. Compared to
distutils2, distlib aims to make it easier to transition from existing
packaging infrastructure and tools (distutils, setuptools/distribute).
Some of the PEPs are still in flux (e.g. PEP 426, PEP 427).
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is more active and readthedocs has the latest docs,
but I do periodically update the above repo on hg.python.org.
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Anything I'm missing here?
The use case was missed during PEP and patch review, so the feature didn't make
it into 3.3. Issue #15776 raised the problem; it has been resolved and the
feature should appear in Python 3.4.
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, and they might use these esoteric GnuPG options.
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http://www.gnupg.org/documentation/manuals/gnupg-devel/GPG-Esoteric-Options.html
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discussion I had with Barry Warsaw a while ago, I seem to remember that there
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[1] https://code.google.com/p/python-gnupg/issues/detail?id=46
the interest in getting the 3
wheel PEPs (of which the metadata PEP is the first) accepted.
Likewise, I will look at the possibility of providing wheel support in distlib,
once it has been accepted as a standard and the open issues (such as signature
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for the same reason.
Certainly, with distlib I've tried to incorporate a lot of the setuptools
functionality which developers find useful - in-package data, package exports
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[1] http://bento.readthedocs.org/en/latest
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David Cournapeau cournape at gmail.com writes:
You are putting the words out of the context in which those were
written: it is stated that the focus is on the general architecture
OK, no offence was meant. Thanks for the clarification.
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zope.deprecation (4.0.2) [for pyramid]
download pyramid (1.4)
In the above, nothing was actually downloaded except the metadata. It's just
indicating an intuitive ordering for download based on a topological sort of
the dependency graph - for pyramid, in this case.
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docs suffer
inordinately from being on readthedocs.org - for one thing, I've enabled Disqus
comments, allowing feedback on the docs - not that I've had any ;-)
Closer integration should perhaps happen, but not until the project has matured
a little.
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on Python 2.6, 2.7 and 3.2+, so there shouldn't be any
concerns about support on those older Python versions.
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, but it does mean that you can't e.g. use the ast module in the
implementation. This might be a factor if the mini-language ever grows (as it
recently did, adding parentheses).
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is a source build of Python.
PEP 405 venvs created from a source build should work in the same way as venvs
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Does anyone see any problems with this approach to importing C extensions from
zip files?
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a compelling reason for adding complexity here. It's not really an
important use case.
Well, my post was to elicit some comment about the usefulness of the feature,
so fair enough. It doesn't seem especially complex though, unless I've missed
something.
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read the source code from the
zip.
Well, it's just an experiment, and I was soliciting comments because I'm not as
familiar with the issues as some others are. Distlib is still only at version
0.1.1, and the mount()/unmount() functionality is not set in stone :-)
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of e.g. an environment variable
such as PYLAUNCH_SEARCHPATH, or should we just change the default behaviour
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divPS Vinay - from this post, I assume you're already looking at this
code? I was considering trying to put together a patch, but I don't want to
duplicate effort if you're working on it./div
I've taken a quick look at it, but I probably won't be able
created a pull request
against the pypa version in case that's of use...
Hi Paul,
Sorry I haven't had a chance yet - real life is very busy at the moment. A pull
request against the pypa version is fine, and I will get to it soon - thanks
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3.3 and 3.4, as it's
not a change in core Python APIs.
In the absence of adverse feedback here, I propose to implement approach #2
on both 3.3 and 3.4.
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Oleg Broytman phd at phdru.name writes:
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 06:37:49PM +, Vinay Sajip vinay_sajip at
yahoo.co.uk wrote:
at echo off
__VENV_PYTHON__ -c import sys, pydoc; sys.exit(pydoc.cli())
I think you want to pass command line arguments:
at echo off
__VENV_PYTHON__
/python_logging.html if anyone needs it. This version
is not actively maintained, but that shouldn't be an issue.
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take advantage of this by e.g. offering a copy of these handlers in their
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. In Python 2.5, logging is 1300
SLOC, less than say tarfile, pickletools, pydoc and decimal.
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Brett Cannon brett at python.org writes:
Obviously if one of the getopt supporters has a better way of doing
this then please speak up.
I'm not a getopt supporter per se - I'm +1 for argparse - but Opster provides
some nice syntax sugar on top of getopt, and can be seen here:
agree - it's just an approach which shows some promise and is worth exploring.
I'm not suggesting jumping in with both feet. But it does show about getopt that
perhaps there's life in the old dog yet ;-)
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message format string? Or does the PercentMessage/BraceMessage type approach
have any mileage? What do y'all think?
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, to be sure, but more specialized formatting
requirements are already catered for using e.g. the PercentMessage/BraceMessage
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Barry Warsaw barry at python.org writes:
This is a very interesting idea.
Note that one of the reasons to /at least/ support {}-strings also is
that %-strings are simply too error prone in many situations. For
example, if I decide to support internationalization of log format
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class DollarMessage:
def __init__(self, fmt, *args, **kwargs):
self.fmt = fmt
self.args = args
self.kwargs = kwargs
def __str__(self):
return
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Paul Moore p.f.moore at gmail.com writes:
This seems to me to be almost the same as the previous suggestion of
having a string subclass:
class BraceFormatter(str):
def __mod__(self, other):
# Needs more magic here to cope with dict argument
return self.format(*other)
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2. The internal implementation of logger.debug needs to preserve
string subclasses properly
But the benefit is that the approach allows anyone to use brace
formatting in any API that currently accepts % format (assuming string
subclasses don't get
smells of there's more than one way to do it.
Yeah, that bothers me too.
It's the Rumsfeldian We don't know what we don't know
Is this guy in the Python community?
Not sure, but I believe he's a piece of work and not a guy to get on the wrong
side of ;-)
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overhead and some processing
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argument in the logging call - logging won't know or care if it was
passed in as a literal, or was computed by %-, {}-, $- or any other formatting
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to do those things.
Actually, logging calls str() on the object passed as the first argument in a
logging call such as logger.debug(), which can either be a format string or an
arbitrary object whose __str__() returns the format string.
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ideas. There are things still
a bit up in the air such as what happens when pickling and sending to an older
version of Python, etc. which still need to be resolved for logging, at least.
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I don't understand what's being precluded and how - please elaborate.
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Why don't we start something in the sandbox and see how far we can
get. If no one beats me to it I will add the directory some time today
and we can start hashing out the solution there.
I've done a first cut of a converter from %-format to {}-format
encouraging movement in one particular direction.
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Raymond Hettinger python at rcn.com writes:
We should get one written. ISTM, every %-formatting
string is directly translatable to an equivalent {}-formatting string.
I've made a start, but I'm not sure how best to handle the '#' and ' '
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MRAB python at mrabarnett.plus.com writes:
Interesting that you're using the %-format to translate %-formats to
{}-formats!
Yes, ironic, isn't it? ;-)
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'000x1234'
Someone please tell me if there's a better {}-format string which I've missed!
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'0o11064'
I couldn't see a backward-compatibility mode for str.format generating just a
leading 0 for octal alternative format (the C style) as opposed to 0o.
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sucks or problems using foo if they want to research what's been
said about a package.)
Yes, but it's good to have all the feedback in one place, if possible.
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When you say the new method, if you mean configure - the pattern is so that
a subclass can override __init__ and do additional setup before configure() is
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Antoine Pitrou solipsis at pitrou.net writes:
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%0#8x % 0x1234
'0x001234'
{0:0#8x}.format(0x1234)
'000x1234'
Apart from the sheer unreadability of the {}-style format string, the result
looks rather unexpected from a human being's
an active maintainer and the latter does not, or am I wrong about
that?
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self.config.update(more)
See my response to Paul Rudin's post about incremental configuration.
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Glenn Linderman v+python at g.nevcal.com writes:
But DictConfigurator the name seems misleading... like you are
configuring how dicts work, rather than how logs work. Maybe with more
context this is not a problem, but if it is a standalone class, it is
confusing what it does, by name
'
sys.getfilesystemencoding()
'mbcs'
locale.getpreferredencoding()
'cp1252'
which suggests to me that the locale.getpreferredencoding() should be the
default. However, as I'm not a Unicode maven, any suggestions would be welcome.
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program code changes, or the ability to configure
from say a YAML node, where YAML may be being used for application
configuration as a whole. (Unless of course I've misunderstood what you're
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Benjamin Peterson benjamin at python.org writes:
It's also really easy to just write 0{:o} like my translator does.
How does that cope when handed a negative number to format?
%#0o % -1234
'-02322'
0{0:o}.format(-1234)
'0-2322'
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So ISTM that the right thing to do on 2.x would be: if str to be sent, send as
is; if unicode to be sent, encode using utf-8 and send with a BOM. For 3.x, just
encode using utf-8 and send with a BOM.
Does that seem right?
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dir(__builtins__)
in the interactive prompt, I get the whole shebang.
Excuse my ignorance, but how come?
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If __builtins__ is an implementation detail which can't be relied on, should the
py3k code be changed to the try: form? Or shall I just remove the checks
altogether, since Unicode should always be there in 3.x?
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PEP: XXX
Title: Dictionary-Based Configuration For Logging
Version: $Revision$
Last-Modified: $Date$
Author: Vinay Sajip vinay_sajip at red-dove.com
Status: Draft
Type: Standards Track
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Perhaps TypeError, too.
Sorry, brainfade there. I already mentioned TypeError in the original post :-)
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available to output in a dict describing the current configuration.
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http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.6.4/
Good news, but just one little nit: the page above appears to link to the NEWS
file for 2.6.4rc1.
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the manager when instantiating a new logger.
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Terry Reedy tjreedy at udel.edu writes:
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Terry,
Thanks for your helpful comments. I have checked in some changes to the PEP
(r76533) which take into account the comments you made.
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Dj Gilcrease digitalxero at gmail.com writes:
I would recommend removing the class keyword and replacing it with the
() as you have in the custom examples or replacing () with class so it
is uniform across all config options
[snip]
This just strikes me as odd to have to remember for built
a
pronouncement. I guess the stdlib slot gives an opportunity for people to air
their views and so I'd be grateful if you added it to the agenda.
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hard to
configure will benefit from these changes, so here's the opportunity to pipe up
and improve things.
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with the Django community to get improved logging support in
Django for 1.3.
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Hi,
When I look at the mailing list archive for python-dev, I see some odd stuff at
the bottom of the page:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2010-January/thread.html#95232
Anyone know what's happened?
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(for example, the PEP
3146 thread from yesterday).
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Barry Warsaw barry at python.org writes:
On Jan 22, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Chris McDonough wrote:
Can you tell us where Uncle Timmy has been and when he'll be back?
He's given up bags of ham for walls of chocolate.
In the Mountain View Chocolate Factory?
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