it may or may not apply to
everywhere nameapaces are used in the interpreter...
> but __dict__ is described as " [a] dictionary or other mapping object".
>
exactly.
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>
>> O
n-deprecated replacement (introduced in 10.10).
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> I like os.system() and use it everyday.
me too.
Python has been evolved over the years away from a "scripting language",
and becoming more of a "systems language". Which is mostly a good thing,
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works for me, too:
In [9]: x = cast_int2float(0x7ff80001)
In [10]: hex(cast_float2int(x))
Out[10]: '0x7ff80001'
In [11]: x = cast_int2float(0x7ff1)
In [12]: hex(cast_float2int(x))
Out[12]: '0x7ff1'
OS-X, conda build:
Python 3.7.0
memory address
where x is stored.
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to reach out to me directly during that time.
>
I asked a question about the commit yesterday night in the tracker and was
waiting for a response (which I fully expected to take some time due to
timezone differences and this being a volunteer driven project).
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Our team is working with CPython on Azure IoT Edge devices that run on
x64-based devices.
We would like to extend
The PR is here: https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/11774
Searching _M_ARM I see these #ifdef changes outside of ctypes:
* Include\pyport.h - adds on to existing MSVC ifdef
* Include\pythonrun.h - adds on to existing MSVC ifdef
* Modules\_decimal\libmpdec\bits.h
* Python\ceval.c - workaround
test_load_default_certs_env_windows fails on win32 and amd64 retail. skipped
on debug
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le.
Something like shutil.rmtree() with ignore_errors=True?
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On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 12:29 PM Barry Warsaw wrote:
> I think we should aspire for this to be the case too, eventually. When
> this has come up in the past, we’ve said that it’s not appropriate to
> change PEP 394 until Python 2 is officially deprecated. OTOH, I appreciate
> that
uld
a datetime.timedelta.total_microseconds function be a reasonable addition? I
would be happy to submit a patch for such a thing.
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lly use shutil.rmtree for tests that need to create temporary files, and
create a temporary directory for those files (that is, use tempfile.mkdtemp in
setUp() and use shutil.rmtree in tearDown()). That way I don’t have to adjust
house-keeping code when I make changes to test code.
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A function with "microseconds" in the name IMO misleadingly suggests
that it has something closer to microsecond accuracy than a 1-second
granularity.
Rob Cliffe
On 14/02/2019 05:05:54, Richard Belleville via Python-Dev wrote:
In a recent code review, the following snippet was cal
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 11:58 AM Rob Cliffe via Python-Dev <
python-dev@python.org> wrote:
> A function with "microseconds" in the name IMO misleadingly suggests that
> it has something closer to microsecond accuracy than a 1-second granularity.
>
it sure does, but `de
lse
> uses it. :)
>
And I would REALLY like it if as much was the same as possible on all
platforms...
-CHB
> -Brett
>
>
>>
>>
>>> Victor
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Hi,
A few months ago, I submitted bpo-35153 with a PR to allow to set
headers from xmlrpc.client.ServerProxy.
Is there a core developer willing to review it? It will be great to have
it for Python 3.8.
https://bugs.python.org/issue35153
https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/10308
Thanks
Thanks for the feedback.
I updated the PR to use get_platform and get_host_platform.
More testing is still needed before it's ready to merge to make sure it still
does what it was intended to do.
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METH_FASTCALL passing arguments on the stack doesn't necessarily mean it
will be slow. In x86 there are calling conventions that read all the
arguments from the stack, but the rest of the machine is register based.
Python could also look at ABI calling conventions for inspiration, like
x
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 9:58 AM Barry Warsaw wrote:
> I see this question as having several parts, and the conflation of them is
> part of the reason why the unversioned `python` command is so problematic.
> Python is used for:
>
> * OS functionality
> * to run applications th
her contexts). It never dawned on me to use this
approach to convert to seconds or milliseconds, or ... Granted, I still
rely on python2 for a fair bit of my work, but still, I had to scratch my
head when it was proposed on this thread.
-- There are a number of physical unit libraries in Python, and
nd compromises for their constituents. I
> personally am not part of that any more, so I have no problem having no say
> (despite still having opinions :).
>
The PEP is what the Python community recommends. The distro maintainers can
(and will) do whatever they want. IF we are going
when we really wanted a set before set existed, I'm not sure the connection
is there to a layperson.
A mapping and a set type really don't have much to do with each other other
than implementation -- anyone that isn't familiar with python C code, or
hash tables in general, wouldn
se would address the intuitive and discoverability
issue -- very few folks would have any trouble guessing what any of:
a_datetime.convert("hours")
a_datetime.to_unit("hours")
a_datetime.total_hours()
mean -- at least generally, even if they con't know if they are getting a
he libraries I maintain still support Python 2.
>
we know have two contrasting data points -- it's settled!
But I'd like to know -- I too will probably remember and use this idiom now
that I know it (if not take it to heart ...) -- but would you hvae figured
it out on your own?
>
Did we ever hear back from the OP as to whether they were using py2 or 3?
If they were unable to find timedelta division in py3 -- that's a pretty
good case that we need something else.
The OP:
"""
On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 9:10 PM Richard Belleville via Python-Dev <
pytho
Sorry for the slow response.
Timedelta division is quite a nice solution to the problem. However, since
we're maintaining a python version agnostic library at least until 2020, we
need a solution that works in python 2 as well.
For the moment, we've left the code as in the origin
On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 3:04 PM Richard Belleville
wrote:
> Timedelta division is quite a nice solution to the problem. However, since
> we're maintaining a python version agnostic library at least until 2020, we
> need a solution that works in python 2 as well.
>
So you were
In https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/6541 , I was requested to add tests
for an internal C function.
As I wrote in
https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/6541#issuecomment-445514807 , it's not
clear from the codebase
1) where tests for internal (as opposed to public) function
examples of how to do this?
If not, are there any recommendations for how to achieve this?
Thanks,
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ss object.
Logically speaking, a definition item should be able to see everything that is
defined before it.
For the same reason, we have to jump through hoops to use a class name in a class attribute definition -- see e.g.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14513019/python-get-class-name
If
hiy proposed to discuss on the Python-dev mailing list.
Question: Should we drop it or add a (Pending)DeprecationWarning?
Suggestion and timeline:
3.8, we raise a PendingDeprecationWarning
* update the code
* update the documentation
* update the tests
(check a PendingDeprecat
of the various types).
This is pretty much what ctypes provides for dealing with unicode?
https://docs.python.org/3/library/ctypes.html#ctypes.create_unicode_buffer
Seems a fine place to have things that help with win32 api interactions.
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On 27.03.2019 20:48, Victor Stinner wrote:
Hi,
I would like to add a new C API to initialize Python. I would like
your opinion on the whole API before making it public. The code is
already implemented. Doc of the new API:
https://pythondev.readthedocs.io/init_config.html
To make the
would be an effective security measure are pointless -- 'cuz you would never know
if you accounted for everything and would not even have the definition of that "everything".
On 29.03.2019 1:35, Steve Dower wrote:
Hi all
Time is short, but I'm hoping to get PEP 578 (formerly
't see why it would
be though).
Perfect, I'll give this a go. Thanks!
I set up a PR to collect this trace and the results are at:
https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/12625
However, I suspect it's a non-result:
umask(022) = 022
open("/home/vsts/work
re
aren't any other platforms where it'll be used.
https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/12655
Cheers,
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Sorry somehow missed Steve Dower's post:
that
discussion is mostly happening at
https://discuss.python.org/t/pep-582-python-local-packages-directory/963/
I"ll go there to comment.
-CHB
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ule across ecosystem it's good to have a fix landing in stdlib that secures downstream
libraries encouraging users to upgrade Python too.
Validation should occur whenever user data crosses a trust boundary -- i.e. when the library starts to assume that an extracted chunk now
contains
On 12.04.2019 21:05, Steve Dower wrote:
On 12Apr.2019 0919, Jeroen Demeyer wrote:
The signal handler (that receives signals from the OS) in Python starts
with a check
if (getpid() == main_pid)
Looking at the comments, the intent was to do a check for the main
*thread* but this is
cision before year 285,422,891
(which is quite far in the future ;-)).
Victor
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be able to run C extensions compiled in release mode on a Python
compiled in debug mode ("pydebug").
This is going to be impossible because debug Python links against debug C runtime which is binary incompatible with the release one (at
least, in Windows).
The use case is to debug
On 24.04.2019 3:50, Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev wrote:
On 24.04.2019 2:44, Victor Stinner wrote:
Hi,
Two weeks ago, I started a thread "No longer enable Py_TRACE_REFS by
default in debug build", but I lost myself in details, I forgot the
main purpose of my proposal...
Let me
On 24.04.2019 17:03, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 01:44:17 +0200
Victor Stinner wrote:
The first requirement for the use case is that a Python debug build
supports the ABI of a release build. The current blocker issue is that
the Py_DEBUG define imply the Py_TRACE_REFS define
much discussion
there, so I'd like to bring it to python-dev's attention as we near the cut-off
for new Python 3.8 features.
Other than the fact that I've needed this functionality in the past, I also think a good
general principle for the datetime module is that when a class (
).
This will rerun things, but all the failures will be visible in the PR.
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Council's
reflection and rationale on the PEP?
+1. Specifically, I'd like to know if the risks and the potential for GitHub missing any needed features were estimated. The PEP says
nothing about this.
Thank you
Regards
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hat starts rolling out today, we (Microsoft) have added "python.exe" and "python3.exe" commands that are
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This makes it a 1-2 click process to get from a cl
On 22.05.2019 23:52, Steve Dower wrote:
On 22May2019 1309, Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev wrote:
As someone whose job is to diagnose and fix problems with running software:
Are there patches in your release? Do you provide corresponding sources and
debug symbols for it?
You can find the sources
plicitly endorse it and claim that
we want out users to use that rather than competing offers.
You may look at the archives where I relied on TKinter for an important project
and it let me down big time.
I would very much prefer Python to honestly admit that there's not enough interest in thi
On 27.05.2019 4:55, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 04:03:11PM +0300, Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev wrote:
On 24.05.2019 9:55, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
I don't know if this is a good idea or a terrible idea or somewhere in
between, so I'm throwing it out to se
On 27/05/2019 04:52:17, Montana Burr wrote:
NumPy arrays have this awesome feature, where array == 3 does an
element-wise comparison and returns a list. For example:
np.array([1,2,3,4,5])==3
returns
[False,False,True,False,False]
It would be cool if Python had similar functionality for
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/49991870/python-default-string-encoding for details).
And if you do know the encoding, you can as well compare `str.encode(encoding)
!= bytes` / `str != bytes.decode(encoding)`.
Came across this kind of set in the hyper http library which uses a set to
a
te to charity. I can't see or control what my money
is going to be used for.
On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 02:15 Brett Cannon mailto:br...@python.org>> wrote:
Victor Stinner wrote:
> That's great!
> "The PSF will use Python development fundraising to support CPython
On 01.07.2019 12:25, Jeroen Demeyer wrote:
A SystemError is typically raised from C to indicate serious bugs in the application which shouldn't normally be caught and handled. It's
used for example for NULL arguments where a Python object is expected. So in some sense, SystemError is
This was quite extensively discussed on python-ideas recently:
https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-id...@python.org/thread/RJARZSUKCXRJIP42Z2YBBAEN5XA7KEC3/#WIRID57ESUFUAQQQ6ZUY2RK5PKQQYSJ3
(I'm finding it hard to find a good thread view in the new interface -- but
that will ge
Congrats on this new tool -- I'll be checking it out. With a quick glance
at the docs, I see this:
"""
PyOxidizer loads everything from memory and there is no explicit I/O being
performed. When you import a Python module, the bytecode for that module is
being loaded from a m
rds the places where we are paying attention.
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syntax errors. In my opinion,
SyntaxErrors should be reported with independence of the value of variables
(__debug__) or constant as is a property of the code being written
not of the code being executed. Also, as CPython is the reference implementation of Python, the danger here is that it could be
eered for -announce, so maybe that will help. :)
The requirement here is not prior fame but free time for the job (and a minimal
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docsbuild@docs:/srv/docsbuild/3.9/cpython-en/Doc$ grep breakpoint
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urpose was implementing the "string-escape" codec which was
removed in Python 3 (for reasons). In Python 3 it is only used for supporting the old pickle protocol 0.
Could we strictly define what is considered a public module interface in Python?
Is "what is present in th
On 22.07.2019 18:25, Kacvinsky, Tom wrote:
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Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I am trying to build
pywin32-224 from source for Python 3.7.4. I think this might
be the right list as this seems to be a generic problem I am having, but I want
to focus on one particular module
alues)
I don’t think this invariant holds unless comparison is order dependent. {1:2,
3:4} and {1:4, 3:2} have the same keys and values, but not the same items.
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equal, dicts;
Naive question: Is there a way (in Python) to get at the underlying dict
from a dict.values object,
or more generally from any dict view object?
>>> dir({}.values())
['__class__', '__delattr__', '__dir__', '__doc__', '__eq__',
ts / lists / sorted lists
before comparing" ?
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(but then
again, if I don't mention this possibility, maybe someone even more
idiotic than me will suggest it ).
On 25/07/2019 00:49:56, Rob Cliffe via Python-Dev wrote:
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I agree with Greg.
There are various possible behaviors that might make
== d.items()
```
but `d.values() == d.values()` does not return the expected
results. It always returns `False`. The symmetry is a bit off.
In the bug trackers[0] and the Github PR[1], I was asked
to raise the issue on the python-dev mailing list to find
a consensus on what comparing `.values()` shoul
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We should revisit what we want to do (if anything) about invalid escape
sequences.
For Python 3.8, the DeprecationWarning was converted to a SyntaxWarning which
is visible by default. The intention is to make it a SyntaxError in Python
e, open() is
executed at run-time.
And the use of open might be masked by using a synonym for it;
open might be shadowed by the program assigning to it;
the argument to open() might be an expression such as
("..training\new_memo" + extn) etc., etc.
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> On 8 Aug 2019, at 10:42, Christian Tismer wrote:
>
> Hi Guido,
>
> If a C++ function already has a return value, plus some primitive
> pointer variables that need to be moved into the result in Python,
> then we have the case with a first, single unnamed
eturn tuple could be hidden like the stat_result
> example that Guido mentioned:
>
> https://github.com/python/typeshed/blob/master/stdlib/3/os/__init__.pyi
> <https://github.com/python/typeshed/blob/master/stdlib/3/os/__init__.pyi>
>
>def stat(self, *, follow
TLDR: In os.scandir directory entries, atime is always a copy of mtime
rather than the actual access time.
Demo program: Windows 10, Python 3.8.3:
# osscandirtest.py
import time, os
with open('Test', 'w') as f: f.write('Anything\n') # Write to a file
time.sleep
, 2020 at 7:25 PM Rob Cliffe via Python-Dev
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TLDR: In os.scandir directory entries, atime is always a copy of
mtime
rather than the actual access time.
Demo program: Windows 10, Python 3.8.3:
# osscandirtest.py
import time,
On 19.10.2020 14:47, Steve Dower wrote:
On 19Oct2020 1242, Steve Dower wrote:
On 15Oct2020 2239, Rob Cliffe via Python-Dev wrote:
TLDR: In os.scandir directory entries, atime is always a copy of mtime rather
than the actual access time.
Correction - os.stat() updates the access time to
//babeljs.io/blog/2017/09/11/zero-config-with-babel-macros
https://github.com/kentcdodds/babel-plugin-macros
https://github.com/jgierer12/awesome-babel-macros
That's a general intro, the code repo for the macro plugin, and a repo
that lists implemented macros.
Martin
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On 15Oct2020 2239, Rob Cliffe via Python-Dev wrote:
TLDR: In os.scandir directory entries, atime is always a copy of
mtime rather than the actual access time.
Correction - os.stat() updates the access time to _now_, while
os.scandir() returns the
them away*.
>
>
Even with the GIL borrowed references are problematic. There are a lot of cases
where using a borrowed reference after calling an API that might run Python
code might invalidate the borrowed reference. In general the only safe thing to
do with a borrowed reference is to turn it
tps://github.com/markshannon/faster-cpython
>
> I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.
I don’t have anything useful to add to the discussion, other than to say that
I’m happing to see that
someone is willing to spent a significant amount of effort on making CPython
faster. Especially
w
> On 29 Oct 2020, at 22:43, Victor Stinner wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I propose to drop the Solaris support in Python to reduce the Python
> maintenance burden:
>
> https://bugs.python.org/issue42173
>
> I wrote a draft PR to show how much code could be removed (
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> On Fri, 30 Oct 2020, 09:29 Ronald Oussoren via Python-Dev,
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> > On 29 Oct 2020, at 22:43, Victor Stinner > <ma
s been out of development for over 14 years
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>
> I have installed new python version 3.9, I wanted to move all the
> site-packages that I have used in 3.8 to 3.9 lib. Is it possible?
This is not a list for support on Python, but a list on the development of
many many more users of this that would
be impacted than a naive examination of downloads will show.
Of course this all presumes that the core Python team still places value on
being a cross platform portable tool. I can help solve most of the other
concerns - except for this one.
- Garrett
to regular tuple unpacking. If I read the PEP
correctly binding the same name multiple times is also forbidden in more
complex scenario’s where multiple binding is not so easily recognised, such as
"case Rect(Point(x, y), Size(x, w))”.
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On 06.11.2020 6:57, Manak Wadhwa wrote:
Hey Guys,
I am Manak Wadhwa. I have a good hand in python language, ML Algorithms, Web
Dev (HTML5, CSS3, JS, PHP, AJAX, Bootstrap, JQuery). I want to contribute to
python org can someone help as which repository should
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> On Oct 30, 2020, at 4:59 PM, Gregory P. Smith wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 2:30 PM Garrett D'Amore via Python-Dev
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>> I’m not on this list. But I have offered to help - if there are tasks that
>> ne
Dear all,
I am the maintainer of an Italian translation of the Python Tutorial:
https://pytutorial-it.readthedocs.io.
Since the Italian translation is kept in sync with the original repo (across
all the branches!), from time to time I get an alert when a change is
committed.
This morning I
t about it in depth...
In short, I believe that the tutorial was originally intended for the
beginners... except, the very definition of "beginner" has shifted a lot
in the meantime, as the audience of Python users widened.
This poses difficulties that in my opinion could be solved on
Inada,
as I said before, mine was more a general consideration than a criticism of a
particular change (let alone a particular committer!).
> But the tutorial isn't a "special attribute showcase".
> It doesn't cover all special attributes and describe how Python
>
Hi Kyle,
> ... I think that we should use the
> guideline of: "Is this useful information in 95% of real-world use cases or
> does it have a strong niche purpose that will be useful at some point for
> significant number of Python users?" If not, my opinion is that
the tutorial. Now, this would be a deletion that I would welcome.
I suspect there are quite a few (relatively) low hanging fruits like this one
out there.
best,
riccardo
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> PEP.
Indeed. The PEPs are the worst, more often than not. I remember when I first
learned Pyhton,
every time the documentation linked to a PEP, I felt a shiver down my spine.
r.
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at 6:16 PM Guido van Rossum mailto:gu...@python.org>> wrote:
If you want to get the attention of the people who maintain the
website, please look at the bottom of any page on python.org
<http://python.org> and file an issue at the GitHub tracker linked
there.
that could be better spent on other issues.
If you (the current SC) were actually accepting PEP 634, would the vote be the
same? Then accept it, and let's all move on.
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~Ethan~
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