ith multiple uses are a middle ground.)
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CLIs just by making imports lazy. We've also opened an
issue to discuss the possibility of upstreaming this. [2]
[1] https://github.com/facebookincubator/cinder/#strict-modules
[2] https://bugs.python.org/issue46963
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If you want to catch errors earlier, use a
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please provide some input on this
Please ask the pyinstaller developers about this.
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e in case anyone wants to experiment with it further.
Also, it's intentionally delicate; it only works on git checkout
trees, and only with
one specific revision id:
7b87e8af0cb8df0d76e8ab18a9b12affb4526103
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en if not all names referenced in
them are defined yet at the time of introspection, is much less
invasive and more practical.
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rebound, as in plain name binding, when the second part
> is declared. I've stated that amidst my ramblings,
> but Nick Coghlan managed to keep it suscint at
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I don't think name
t;Python without
typing".
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ython code (non-empty ``__slots__`` in a type subclass is
rejected at runtime), but you can do this in C code.
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its reliance on import side effects
causing global changes at a distance. See
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for details.
Under PEP 649, forward references are a small problem confined to the
edge case of early resolution of
orting some other module, causes very specific problems in being able to
locally reason about code. I think it is more useful to discuss the
specific behavior and its consequences than what it is called.
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I also would like to hear more about the problem this is trying to solve, when
th real-world examples. (E.g. from pydantic?)
Yes please. I think these threads have jumped far too
probably in the form of
an update to PEP 649?) sometime after PyCon.
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Me
m wondering how this plays with
> pseudo-instruction: in particular are pseudo-instructions generated for all
> entries in the exception table ?
>
> My initial idea was to have a SETUP_FINALLY/SETUP_CLEANUP - POP_BLOCK pair
> for each line in the exception table and label for the ju
> Would you be interested in being posted about my progress ?
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100% agree – dealing with 5 or more platforms for discussion groups is a
nightmare, and I tend not to follow any of them as closely for that reason.
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Date: Friday, July 15, 2022 at 9:26 AM
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.g. the WebAssembly group is: https://discuss.python.org/c/webassembly/28
And its corresponding RSS feed is:
https://discuss.python.org/c/webassembly/28.rss
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100% agree – dealing with 5 or more platforms for discussion groups is
a nightmare, and I tend not to follow any of them as closely for that
reason.
I agree. I don't mind having to use Discourse if I want to take part in
a discussio
@,/usr/local/bin/python3.10," < ./Misc/python-config.in
>python-config.py
LC_ALL=C sed -e 's,\$(\([A-Za-z0-9_]*\)),\$\{\1\},g' < Misc/python-config.sh
>python-config
make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/kevin/Sources/Python-3.10.5'
This looks to me like it
ne)
4429
The motivation for this and other threads is to bring determinism in
the *narrow* sense. Others (including me) have made references to
other kinds of determinism that have derailed the threads by
misunderstanding exactly what Yoni is referring to. The *stronger*
sense of determinism would be useful
e. A
singleton class can have a hash function that matches identity based
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You're right of course. Oh well, it *was* a wild idea.😁
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On 04/12/2022 18:16, Chris Angelico wrote:
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Wild suggestion:
Make None.__hash__ writable.
E.g.
None.__hash__ = lambda : 0 # Curr
wrote:
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Wild suggestion:
Make None.__hash__ writable.
E.g.
None.__hash__ = lambda : 0 # Currently raises AttributeError:
'NoneType' object attribute '__hash__' is read-only
You would have to
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but
others will be mangled or missing text. This means you would still need to
maintain the Malman archive as the canonical source of truth. Once fixed,
not only would the [Python-Dev] archives be searchable within Discourse,
but they should also rank better in search than they do in
atement in the following sense
>
> for _ in range(n):
> ...
> if not A:
> repeat # repeat current iteration
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ed with an explanation text.
Something like "Cannot assign `i` because this name is already used as a comprehension's loop variable" would clarify what exactly they did
wrong.
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I guess I'm agreeing with you to the extent that I'm proposing more
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>>> Hi Ronald,
&
not always obvious.
I suggest the only watertight definition of a syntax error is something
which raises
an exception at compile time. Obviously this can depend not only on the
code,
but also on the compiler.
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Sorry, that won't work. Strings are parsed at compile time, open()
is executed at run-time.
It could check for control characters, which are probably the result
of a backslash accident. Maybe even auto-co
y system that runs
in terminal session 0 (i.e. the system services session). The
per-logon directory is located at "\\Sessions\\0\\DosDevices\\". In the Windows API, it's accessible as "//?/" or "//./",
or with any mix of forward slashes or backslashes, but only the
all-bac
On 10/08/2019 23:30:18, Greg Ewing wrote:
Rob Cliffe via Python-Dev wrote:
Also, the former is simply more *informative* - it tells the reader
that baz is expected to be a directory, not a file.
On Windows you can usually tell that from the fact that filenames
almost always have an
ter of the delimiting string should not be a letter:
let s = r?@!Could this string could contain almost anything? Yes!?@
# The text in this string is:
# Could this string could contain almost
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A point about the current syntax: It is n
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Is it possible to contact the contributors and have their explicit agreement
or is the LICENSE file at the top level of the repo already covering this
scenario?
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Is it possible to contact the contributors and have their explicit agreement
or is the LICENSE file at the top level of the repo already covering this
scenario?
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ot;Since this is the removal of a feature teaching users will be one by
the raising of a SyntaxError if/when the forbidden feature is used."
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fference to anyone's workflow.
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> Benjamin, I am sorry that I di
Peter, I think that went just to me, which I suspect was not what you
intended, so I've brought it back on the list:
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ule? After all, they seem for the most part to be well-known
constant strings that don't need to be encapsulated in any particular C
compilation unit.
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but then they're on their own, right?)
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es this discipline/approach not apply to CPython?
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ple.
That's my motivation for looking at this area - I spent a bit of time working
with Eric at the recent core dev sprint, and wanted to explore the problems in
this area.
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Ah - I checked, and it's there OK ... (head scratch)
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OK - but that's just one I picked at random. There are others like it - what
would be the process for deciding which ones need to be made private and moved?
Should an issue be raised to track this?
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Fair enough. Pull request created:
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sorry :)
Benjamin, I am sorr
nimal changes
over the years. I’ve basically only needed to recompile to support new macOS
architectures and to add support for Python 3.
That said, py2app’s stub executable is basically just “simple
PyRun_SimpleString-based embedding” with ugly code to make it possible to use
dlopen to load its d
rry for the bad timing. I dislike working under pressure. The
> discussion on python-dev, the bug tracker and pull requests was really
> interesting.
>
> The issue has been fixed: the whole idea of stable ABI for PyConfig
> has been abandoned. If you want to switch to a different vers
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better than older compilers, but that requires some source changes
and testing to ensure that the build still works on older versions of macOS. At
this point in time nobody seems to have available time and need to work on
this, including myself.
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I think this probably belongs on python-list instead of python-dev because
python-dev is for development _of_ python, not _with_ python.
To answer your question though, there are a few tools that do this:
- https://github.com/vstinner/bytecode
- https://github.com/ll/codetransformer
I
://bugs.tryton.org/issue8574
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On 25.11.2019 1:10, Terry Reedy wrote:
Travis passed https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/17366
but a half hour later twice failed
https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/17370
This is build
Hi Folks,
Python-dev seemed to be the most appropriate email alias for this,
though please do point me somewhere else if this is not appropriate.
We are using a custom arm64 based distro built using yocto and as such
we are currently using python 3.5.6. We are hitting a failure in a python3
d the hint).
This is fair - let me do this.
Peter.
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Python-dev seemed to be the most appropriate email alias for this,
though please do point me somewhere else if this is not appr
te
them.
This is more useful for documenting format limits, but probably doesn't achieve
what you're trying to achieve.
3. Realistically, this is probably what you'd have to do in the first version
for PEP adoption to get non-readers of python-dev@ ready, but, again, it
doesn&#
I'm not sure if this is the right place to bring this up, python-ideas seemed
like language issues and python-dev seemed like CPython issues.
There are several unhashable builtin types present in CPython, as of today the
ones I've noticed are: lists, dicts, sets, and bytearrays.
Tw
it was an implementation issue, but as
you've
pointed out it's most certainly a language issue; and one that can be detected
statically.
Now I'd like to suggest that instead of relying on linters and static type
checkers to catch
these bad patterns. Python shouldn't have allowed
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Logging in with openid using launchpad just worked for me, so
transient or related to google's openid support presumably.
I have been unable to log in with google for a long time; had to reset the
password to be able to l
v/peps/pep-0394/.
Of course I can "properly" install different Python versions by using different "configure --prefix" directories. But I like the venv so
much in general that this rubs me the wrong way.
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> env_dir.
I'd suggest https://github.com/pyenv/pyenv -- this handles this more
seamlessly.
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> > apparently addressed, despite a couple of "pings".
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> > The experts index[1] lists Marc-Andre Lemburg as the expert for the locale
> > module, so perhaps he'd be interested in taking a look.
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> >
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Virtualenv does create `python-config` shim in Linux.
Python3 doesn't. Definetely. Not on RHEL7 and Debian, that's where I tested it.
You are right, I've got it mixed up. Vir
I am really confused on writing python and what app I need to write it in any
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aws in my
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If other people support this change I'd start the work of creating an
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k will be easier to choose.
So the dilemma is essentially how hard we push users to abandon 2.7 -- how much
tax we incur on them for keeping its support.
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fundamental issue: is this language behavior, or implementation
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return f"{func.__name__}({', '.join(args)})"
cls.__repr__ = __repr__
return cls
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of post-hooking it, the cost might be reduced enough to change that
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list is likely inaccurate.
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rwise use),
and that other aspects of the work are likely similarly chaotic.
It's not even uncommon when they make the meaning unclear. Or e.g. typos or inconsistency in a term make it hard to locate other references
to it or deduce if the phrase is being used as a term or as a common phrase.
me on the bug.
Thanks,
Steve
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*If* no python implementation would have a problem with the "is" test
(and from a position of total ignorance I would guess that this is the
case :-)), then it would be a useful feature and it is easier to define
it now than try to force conformance later. I have no probl
On 21/03/2020 20:16, Ned Batchelder wrote:
On 3/21/20 12:51 PM, Rob Cliffe via Python-Dev wrote:
On 21/03/2020 16:15, Eric V. Smith wrote:
On 3/21/2020 11:20 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
On 3/20/20 9:34 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 20Mar2020 13:57, Eric Fahlgren wrote:
On Fri, Mar 20
ds work with
substrings, so re-using "strip" here should be avoided.
Reference Implementation
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See the pull request on GitHub [#pr]_.
References
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.. [#pr] GitHub pull request with implementation
(https://github.com/python/cpython/
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