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Christian> CPython has a stricter policy than most other Python related
Christian> projects.
Indeed. I'd be willing to grant you checkin privileges for SpamBayes simply
because because Christian recognized you and you seem willing to roll up
your sleeves. Do you do Windo
>> Indeed. I'd be willing to grant you checkin privileges for SpamBayes
>> simply because because Christian recognized you and you seem willing
>> to roll up your sleeves. Do you do Windows?
Chris> The irony that Thunderbird put this in my spam folder based on
Chris> its he
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before the sprint to do much, but any brain dumps or Twisted pointers people
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* Probably small documentation changes as well.
I'm wiped out this evening. I'll try to look into it, but I suspect it
might require a bit more time than I have in the next day or two.
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David> http://www.python.org/community/lists/.
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summit? Or is there some other get-together at PyCon for this?
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>> I don't understand how that can possibly be manageable.
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Fixed. Looks like a Roundup bug.
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Does Python's post-commit.tmpl do more (or less) than this? If it's
substantially different, can someone mail me a copy of what's installed?
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I think he'll be ok. He escaped the language summit with only minor wounds
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mal> there's no need to keep them zipped once they get there.
I thought one of the arguments for zip files was a performance increase
(reduced stat(2) calls, etc). I may misremember th
;except Foo as exc")?
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skip> Am I missing something obvious or have I hit a bug? This is a
skip> fully updated 2.7a0 build, trunk:70878M.
After noting that thread.get_ident() returned a thread id but that
threading.currentThread().ident was None I concluded that it is, in fact, a
bug in the threading
>> Having read through the ticket, it seems that a CSV file must be (and
>> 2.6 was) treated as a binary file, and part of the CSV module's job
>> is to convert that binary data to and from strings.
Antoine> IMO this interpretation is flawed. In 2.6 there is no tangible
Antoi
Sounds like you have a budding test case.
Of course, the problem with CSV files is that there is no standard. In the
above paragraph you named three. The CSV authors chose Excel's behavior as
the measuring stick. Still, that's not written down anywhere. You have to
read the tea leave
se of my problems. Still, until
people are real familiar with what is going on, especially people like me
who have little or no familiarity with dVCSs I think it's best to just treat
it like Subversion if at all possible.
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Dirkjan> maybe twice.
Maybe once for each currently active Subversion branch (2.6, 2.7, 3.0, 3.1)?
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constant folding is minimal and probably introduces more opportunities for
bugs than performance improvements.
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during debugging. Insert a 1/0 to force an exception (possibly causing the
running program to drop into pdb). I think you have to leave that in.
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>> (building Python proper) would it be good for the gander (building
>> extensions)?
Antoine> African or European?
I was thinking Canadian...
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will be of interest to our hg mavens.
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I've recently cloned the deps extension, originally developed by
>> - registration to pypi
Alex> No idea what this is .
http://pypi.python.org/
It is, in some ways, a CPAN-like system for Python.
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>>> date(2008, 1, 30) + monthdelta(1)
datetime.date(2008, 2, 29)
What would this loop would print?
for d in range(1, 32):
print date(2008, 1, d) + monthdelta(1)
I have this funny feeling that arithmetic using monthdelta wouldn't always
be in
reasonable functionality.
(I'm a bit behind on this thread. Hopefully someone else has already
suggested these two things.)
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uarantee an instant user base. From there, if it
is found to be useful it could make the leap to be part of the datetime
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pillsbury-doughboy-ly, y'rs,
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Martin> As for volumes to backup: I think /srv needs regular backup.
Martin> Not sure about any of the others
Backup of /usr/local/spambayes-corpus would be very helpful.
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I suspect it's not really germane to this discussion but if the
incref/decref functions were defined as inline would that effectively be
like using the macro versions vis a vis ABI compatibility?
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units of the computation but allow users to input values using units which
are meaningful to them. So, for example, if a value has units of time they
could enter 1m or 60s and get the same internal value.
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(Maybe someone create a BestOfTutor wiki page?)
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Martin> I think it's too early to tell. It may be that they have not yet
Martin> achieved their purpose - just let's wait fifty more years (and
Martin> I'm only half-joking).
So what you're really saying is we only h
;validation suite" was maintained as a separate project all implementations
could use and contribute to.
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ith versions of Python < 2.6 I see no
reason to make such a change. This would just introduce needless
differences between the version delivered with Python and the PyPI version
and make it more difficult for the author to keep the two code bases
rtin> optparse/argparse: this code has only a single function call,
...
Agreed. I have never completely wrapped my brain around optparse. Getopt I
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Ronald> I'll write some documentation on the build options on OSX, but
Ronald> don't know what's the best location to do so.
The top-level README file of the distribution has a "Platform specific
notes" section. Seems like that would be the most logical
It's been awhile since I rebuilt Python and ran the test suite. This
evening I noticed this on my Mac (OS X 10.5):
test_thread
Unhandled exception in thread started by >
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/Users/skip/src/python/trunk/Lib/test/test_thread.py&
>> It's been awhile since I rebuilt Python and ran the test suite. This
>> evening I noticed this on my Mac (OS X 10.5):
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s sort of stuff in greater detail. I'm thinking more of
a smoke test than a comprehensive test suite covering all external packages.
Setuptools is particularly important because so many extension authors use
it. If it breaks it implicitly breaks a lot
tutils.
As I said, I was completely unaware of the problems you're addressing with
Distribute. My guess is that many extension writers and almost certainly
those people who install extensions will be similarly unaware of the issues.
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Moral of the story: If you have something to announce, announce it in the
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python-ideas, but that seems to have been ignored.) I mostly tuned the
entire thread out until I saw that Guido had joined in the fray (sort of).
Maybe since I don't distribute a lot of Python packages it's not as
important to me.
Let me know
while to prioritize all outstanding bugs which have
been mentioned in the context of 2.6.[345] and run a bug day with the top
priority being to fix those bugs. If that task is completed, then move onto
other stuff. Once those primary bugs are tackled schedule
I notice that WITHOUT_COMPLEX still appears in Python.h and several .c files
but nowhere else in the 2.6, 2.7 or 3.1 source, most particularly not in
configure or pyconfig.h.in. Are builds --without-complex still supported?
Has it been tested at any time in the recent past?
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script doesn't know about it and it's not mentioned in pyconfig.h.in, where
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uploaded patches instead of adding a new one then deleting a previous
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toine> branch after all.
No, because 2.6 is in feature freeze (bug fixes only). 2.7 is the current
version of 2.x where new features are allowed to be added.
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ore the
first 2.7 alpha release.
If you want to accelerate release of 2.7 (fewer alphas, compressed schedule,
etc) that's fine, but I don't think you can turn back the clock at this
point and decree that 2.7 is dead.
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In versions before Python 1.5, use string.atoi instead of int.
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Guido> into SVN.
LGTM.
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2to3.
The usage is pretty straightforward. For example, a string literal
might contain the bytes for a GIF image:
data = "GIF89a(..."
Is there a potentially automated path from where the code is today to
something Python 3 (and 2to3) w
Guido> But if you're happy with only supporting 2.6, you can use b"..." and
Guido> the right thing will happen.
SpamBayes still supports 2.4...
Thanks for the feedback. I'll update the source manually, then run 2to3.
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comments about my packages.
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subverted. Similar to a free software site such as PyPI (and unlike a
for-profit system such as the iTunes App Store), I think almost all people
realized that the rating system was there to help the community and that by
polluting the da
Guido> Of course, as a user, I might not trust a module that has no
Guido> reviews or ratings.
I suspect the vast majority of projects will never acquire ratings or
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not as far as I can recall. I realize that maybe this is something that
just doesn't click with me (maybe I'm an OpenID Luddite), but it seems to me
that OpenID needs to be a bit easier (or obvious?) to use if it's to become
some so
Martin> That's indeed what PyPI attempts to do. At the "claim openid"
Martin> place, follow the Launchpad link. It should guide you through
Martin> the procedure.
Well, since I use Google a lot more I'd prefer to use that. If I click the
Google OpenID link I now get
OpenID is al
automatically log into PyPI. So without
Martin> further questions, they redirect you back to PyPI. PyPI finds
Martin> your account, and displays a logged-in page.
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Stefan> The advantage of decimal is that the user has the option to
Stefan> suppress commas. The behaviour of float is slightly easier to
Stefan> implement in C.
Why? If the user asked for them why would you want to suppress (some of)
them?
the
Mark> leading zero, as in '020,g'. Why would you use '0=20,g' instead?
Note to the implementers: '0=20,g' has no mnemonic significance as far as I
can tell. I thought it was my mail program failing to properly decode a bit
of quoted printable text.
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How much of the Unladen Swallow cPickle speedups have been incorporated into
2.7 & 3.1? I'm working on trying to develop patches for 2.4 and 2.6 (the
two versions I currently care about at work - we will skip 2.5 entirely).
It appears some of their speedups may have already been merged
Philip> They've documented their upstream patches here:
Philip> http://code.google.com/p/unladen-swallow/wiki/UpstreamPatches
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Antoine> pobox.com> writes:
>>
>> If a patch to merge this to 2.7 is already under
>> consideration I won't look at it,
Antoine> Why won't you lo
. autoload modules/symbols (pokes around in common modules from
sys.excepthook function).
Oh, and I've had no particular trouble keeping it working in Python 1, 2 or
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y apps as .py or .pyc files... And it could have significant
performance benefits if type annotation was used (and was accurate).
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stable phase of its existence that it will probably stop embedding LLVM.
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on the blog post before noticing all the replies here. I'll
embellish that suggestion by suggesting that instance attributes can be as
valuable when debugging instance methods. Perhaps __trace_self__ (or
similar) could be fed from self.__dict__ if it exists?
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ct that only to have an archive
expand into the current directory without creating a directory of its own.
I've been burned often enough that I always check before expanding source
archives from new (to me) sources, so no harm, no foul in this case.
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Tres> Some applications may seem to work when violating this rule, but
Tres> their developers are doomed to hair loss over time.
Then for us bald guys it should be okay, right? ;-)
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Python core: http://labix.org/python-dateutil
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Lennart> The timezone database is updated several times per year. You
Lennart> can *not* include it in the standard library.
My guess is the data are updated several times per year, not the code. Can
they not be separated?
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Guido> Maybe the best thing is to make optparse *silently* deprecated,
Guido> with a big hint at the top of its documentation telling new users
Guido> to use argparse instead, but otherwise leaving it in indefinitely
Guido> for the benefit of the many existing users.
Would a 2to3
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