Simon I hacked things a bit, and instead of sending XML, sent pickles
Simon inside the XML response.
I've done the same thing (I think I may have used marshal). It works fine
as long as you know both ends are Python.
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Raymond either sync-up the type names or abandon the types module
Raymond entirely.
I thought the types module was already deprecated, at least verbally if not
officially.
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the return and restrict the body of the def to an
expression:
f = filter(def (a): a 1, [1,2,3])
That looks almost exactly like a lambda, but uses def and parenthesizes
the argument list. It seems to me that would remind people this is a
function.
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with a particular way of doing things (e.g., the Unix way
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Phillip ... but have a different name (like the 'parent' property that
Phillip is os.path.dirname in disguise) ...
Phillip ... (like the 'listdir()' method that returns full paths rather
Phillip than just filenames).
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that Windows XP Home Edition (vs. CentOS 4) might be
a factor in the emergence of the bug.
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-providing messages seemed to have been indexed
by Google when I checked, so searching for Python context manager failed
to return anything useful. Hence the post.
BTW, context manager seems fine to me in that context...
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raymond Brett requests that Flovis's permissions be dropped.
Not to put too fine a spin on things, but I think it was more like Brett got
tired of waiting for Flovis's permissions to be increased and retracted his
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instances will pass silently. In fact, I'll wager that lots of people
who are familiar with boolean and/or will have never used bitwise
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of Anthony's email he was at the point where it built and was having test
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to block
either the earlier revision (65605) from being merged from trunk to py3k or
the later revision (65611) from being merged from py3k to trunk?
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robust than the 0.52 third-party release.)
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I had been approached to do the exact same thing, are you trying to
back port the trunk version (2.6) or py3000?
I'm trying to backport from 2.6. It appears that the buffer stuff is
completely
new though (backported from Python 3.0).
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Just curious...
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and don't
bother with the blank line either. (If I'm going to punch a hole in a
rule, I might as well create one big enough to comfortably walk
through.)
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12.
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in Grail, whose most recent release appears
to have been 1999:
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I'm not suggesting this is an overriding reason to keep it, just
noting that it has seen significant use at one time by a rather
prominent Python developer (who was apparently not at your sprint).
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which I will just forget, or using Facebook or similar (I don't really
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450 package works with that? Then extend it to multiple dimensions? Or just
bite the bullet and get numpy's array type into the Python core once
and for all?
Sort of Tulip for arrays...
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that behavior be more
strongly hinted at in the name? Lot's of things are transformations.
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people think something
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within other packages which haven't been imported yet). I never
realized that module used it.
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I suspect other Mac users stuck on Snow Leopard who are not Python
developers would rue the lack of binary installers more than me.
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That's why I get my Python (for Snow Leopard) from MacPorts.
Unless things have changed, that probably doesn't support Mac-specific
stuff, does it?
I was thinking more of non-developer users who are likely to need/want
Mac-specific interfaces for tools which are written in Python. That
might
http://docs.python.org/library/sys
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(pydoc too, though I'm 99.9% sure they use the same underlying
facility Ping originally implemented.)
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a suggested workflow for people
who might want to use Git in preference to Hg, but still have write
access?
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Splitting into two pieces also means you can implement it for 3.4
first and identify possible problems caused by preexisting pip
installs before deciding whether to add it to 2.7 and 3.3.
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of Python somewhere, if you read between the
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y'all will be busy trying to fix
these various problems as they relate to Python, but might it not be
better to simply tell people to hold off on the Python installers
until Apple gets their act together? Otherwise, I fear you'll just be
trying to hit a moving target.
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a value of 2013. Just knowing it's out of range isn't really
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We could always run random.shuffle() on the current list
so new additions don't look out of place ;)
Wouldn't that bloat the repository with diffs and make merges more difficult?
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My first thought was that this exercise falls into the realm of fixing
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conditions they might not? It might still be necessary to maintain
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On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Well, if we must maintain macros, let's maintain them everywhere and
avoid the burden of two different implementations for the same thing.
Would it be possible to generate the macro versions from the
inline/static
to be implemented and to
stablize?
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work in quite awhile, but
BITD, I always just used the current tip of whatever version control
system we happened to be using. That would automatically get me all
the pre-release versions. No need to beg. :-)
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. There might also be multiple assignments. How would you
know which one to pick?
As for a better word than created, I would use assigned.
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block of code only matched on Solaris, and the fact that
find_library is quite broken now on that platform), it's hard to see
how things would be worse after applying it.
BTW, this will be a requirement for getting PyPy running on Solaris.
(That's the context where i encountered it.)
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still seems to have legs, and an
implementation:
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pathlib/0.7
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a factor of 10 when fully expanded.
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to
masquerade as true named constants. Perhaps the correct solution is
to consider support for true constants in Python. (I would be
surprised if there wasn't already at least one rejected or dormant PEP
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at PSF World Headquarters to execute the electronic contributor
agreement? While not strictly necessary, I suspect it might be nice for
you to have all agreements in a common form.
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I started writing this last night before the flurry of messages which
arrived overnight. I thought originally, Oh, Skip, you're being too
harsh. But now I'm not so sure. I think you are approaching the
issue of 2.7's EOL incorrectly. Of those discussing the end of Python
2.7, how many of you
Obviously SourceForge doesn't think the current release interval is short
enough. (Emphasis mine.)
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to be much more difficult, I
think we would have attempted that. 2.7 Seemed like the better step
though, especially considering its compatibility with 2.4 and the fact
that it has a lot of things backported from Python 3 to ease the
eventual transition to Python 3.
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insert them where appropriate as part of the build process? That
said, I haven't any idea how you might accomplish that. Maybe this
general problem should be thrown over the python-ideas to cook for
awhile...
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Some pieces of code are still guarded by:
#ifdef HAVE_FSTAT
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#endif
Are there other guards for similarly common libc functions? If so,
perhaps each one should be removed in a series of change sets, one per
guard.
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if they are held in a normal dictionary? Debugging at the
Python level or the C level? Can you give an example where it would be
easier to debug? If it makes it easier here, would it make it easier
to debug other dictionary usage if they were ordered?
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)
* Sometimes Cerberus was sleeping, and they snuck past him
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cost of changing spelling outweighs the benefits of slavish adherence
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debugging gymnastics (ow! my back
hurts) I thought I would check to see if Python makes much use of
double linked lists in a non-debug build. I don't recall a lot from
days of yore, perhaps some in the dict implementation?
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Passes test (no big surprise there). Doesn't yet include any changes
to documentation
or Misc/NEWS entry. Should this be decided I will take a look at that.
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what
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this thing
(whatever it turns out to be) 2.8? Is this pledge and its rationale
written down in a PEP somewhere, so I can study the reasons behind
what appears at this point to be blind adherence? Did someone
administer a blood oath at a recent PyCon?
Pledge-be-damned-ly y'rs,
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will have to make some changes to take
advantage of these updated security bits. Is there some path forward
that really makes everything a drop-in improvement, requiring no
change to application code, and breaking nothing that already works?
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constructors.
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sees fit. That would support
the ISO 8601 syntax (*), and anything else the programmer things is
better than the status quo.
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(*) As an aside (that is, this belongs in a separate thread if you
want to discuss it), in my opinion, attempting to support ISO 8601
formatting is pointless without
, you wind up with situations where shorter
months can be skipped altogether. Is there a way to talk in terms of
months but not have short months get skipped?
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, actually, a Phython3)
directory.
WTH is Python 4?
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just updated to Python 4. (installed to C: drive) ... now i notice
there are separate
that an
April Fool's prank went so far as to put a tarted up version of Python
3.x out in the wild where unsuspecting folks would find and install
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python -c 'import tradelink.snake.v11_2 ; raise SystemExit'
real 0m0.671s
user 0m0.405s
sys 0m0.044s
% time python -c 'raise SystemExit'
real 0m0.022s
user 0m0.011s
sys 0m0.009s
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink If you blink, you've missed
Python 2.7 startup on a relatively modern machine.
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that sleeping dog lie. I have
better things to do with my life. New stuff I write tends to be much
more pep8-ish.
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more work to read
mixedCase names.
Given Guido's background, I suspect these studies might have been done
at CWI in the context of the ABC language.
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Zach,
That's as a good a link as I know of. (Lot of water under the bridge
since then!)
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I wonder if one or more people who maintain unofficial forks on
minority platforms (OS/2, VMS, etc) could create an informational PEP
about the process (benefits and pitfalls) of that kind of effort?
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for this. If failing, such buildbots wouldn't block a release, but
would still provide tools for people to track down the source of
breakage.
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On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Brett Cannon bcan...@gmail.com wrote:
I view stable buildbots as staying up and testing critical platforms.
Would supported and unsupported (or critical and optional?)
make more sense? Unstable suggests broken to me, not we don't
really care about these.
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just the unstable category. What do those two categories have to do
with supported and unsupported?
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to see how other people use interactive mode.
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I can't see any reason to make a backwards-incompatible change to
Python 2 to only support Unicode. You're bound to break somebody's
setup. Wouldn't it be better to fix bugs as Serhiy has done?
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Aye, in this case, I'm in the officially deprecate the feature camp.
Definitely preferable to the suggestion to remove the configure flag.
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Is there some online documentation with guidelines on how to contribute?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=contribute+to+python
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. A better
place to comment about the job board (and perhaps volunteer to help
with the current effort) is j...@python.org.
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On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 12:42 PM, matsjoyce matsjo...@gmail.com wrote:
There maybe some holes in my approach, but I can't find them.
There's the rub. Given time, I suspect someone will discover a hole or two.
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the --upgrade flag it tries to uninstall
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be great if there was a way for it to tell me where on my
system it found outdated package X. The --verbose flag tells me all
sorts of other stuff I'm not really interested in, but not the
installed location of the outdated package.
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Also, isn't this discussion better suited for Distutils-SIG?
I started up a thread there. I'd post an archive link, but it hasn't
yet turned up in the distutils-sig archive.
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I got the same in Chrome on my Mac.
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As of today I still am getting untrusted cert thought I would re-ping to
see if there is an ETA.
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 8/21/2014 7:25
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