Re: [Python-Dev] PEP for RFE 46738 (first draft)

2005-06-19 Thread Skip Montanaro
Simon I hacked things a bit, and instead of sending XML, sent pickles Simon inside the XML response. I've done the same thing (I think I may have used marshal). It works fine as long as you know both ends are Python. Skip ___ Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Propose to reject PEP 294 -- Type Names in the types Module

2005-06-19 Thread Skip Montanaro
Raymond Suggest rejecting this PEP and making a note for Py3.0 to Raymond either sync-up the type names or abandon the types module Raymond entirely. I thought the types module was already deprecated, at least verbally if not officially. Skip

Re: [Python-Dev] Recommend accepting PEP 312 -- Simple Implicit Lambda

2005-06-19 Thread Skip Montanaro
the return and restrict the body of the def to an expression: f = filter(def (a): a 1, [1,2,3]) That looks almost exactly like a lambda, but uses def and parenthesizes the argument list. It seems to me that would remind people this is a function. Skip

Re: [Python-Dev] Decimal floats as default (was: discussion about PEP239 and 240)

2005-06-22 Thread Skip Montanaro
Michael wrote, I think this idea is DOA. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

[Python-Dev] PEP 304 - is anyone really interested?

2005-06-22 Thread Skip Montanaro
recommendation is that it be put out of its misery. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Adding the 'path' module (was Re: Some RFE for review)

2005-06-26 Thread Skip Montanaro
with a particular way of doing things (e.g., the Unix way or the Windows way), I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http

Re: [Python-Dev] Adding the 'path' module (was Re: Some RFE for review)

2005-06-26 Thread Skip Montanaro
Walter I think ctime, mtime and atime should be (or return) Walter datetime.datetime objects instead of integer timestamps. +1 Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Adding the 'path' module (was Re: Some RFE for review)

2005-06-26 Thread Skip Montanaro
Phillip ... but have a different name (like the 'parent' property that Phillip is os.path.dirname in disguise) ... Phillip ... (like the 'listdir()' method that returns full paths rather Phillip than just filenames). Skip To the extent that the path module tries to provide

Re: [Python-Dev] Adding the 'path' module (was Re: Some RFE for review)

2005-06-27 Thread Skip Montanaro
We're getting enough discussion about various aspects of Jason's path module that perhaps a PEP is warranted. All this discussion on python-dev is just going to get lost. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Linux Python linking with G++?

2005-07-07 Thread Skip Montanaro
properly. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] checklist for filing a bug

2005-07-08 Thread Skip Montanaro
that Windows XP Home Edition (vs. CentOS 4) might be a factor in the emergence of the bug. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Possible context managers in stdlib

2005-07-08 Thread Skip Montanaro
Ummm... What's a context manager? Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Possible context managers in stdlib

2005-07-11 Thread Skip Montanaro
-providing messages seemed to have been indexed by Google when I checked, so searching for Python context manager failed to return anything useful. Hence the post. BTW, context manager seems fine to me in that context... Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] python/dist/src/Misc developers.txt, 1.15, 1.16

2005-07-14 Thread Skip Montanaro
raymond Log Message: raymond Brett requests that Flovis's permissions be dropped. Not to put too fine a spin on things, but I think it was more like Brett got tired of waiting for Flovis's permissions to be increased and retracted his original request. Skip

Re: [Python-Dev] and and or operators in Py3.0

2005-09-20 Thread Skip Montanaro
with and || with |, which in many instances will pass silently. In fact, I'll wager that lots of people who are familiar with boolean and/or will have never used bitwise and/or. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: [Python-Dev] building with C++

2006-04-12 Thread Skip Montanaro
to compile Objects/genobject.c. From the sounds of Anthony's email he was at the point where it built and was having test problems. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe

Re: [Python-Dev] svn.python.org ?

2007-12-29 Thread Skip Montanaro
seems amiss. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Merges from 2.6 to 3.0?

2008-08-09 Thread Skip Montanaro
to block either the earlier revision (65605) from being merged from trunk to py3k or the later revision (65611) from being merged from py3k to trunk? Thx, Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo

[Python-Dev] Backporting multiprocessing?

2008-10-16 Thread Skip Montanaro
to be much more robust than the 0.52 third-party release.) Thanks, Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Backporting multiprocessing?

2008-10-16 Thread Skip Montanaro
I had been approached to do the exact same thing, are you trying to back port the trunk version (2.6) or py3000? I'm trying to backport from 2.6. It appears that the buffer stuff is completely new though (backported from Python 3.0). S ___

[Python-Dev] Could these restrictions be removed?

2011-05-12 Thread Skip Montanaro
with a modest amount of work? Just curious... Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

[Python-Dev] Pathscale compilers open source

2011-06-14 Thread Skip Montanaro
with them. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: an oft-forgotten rule about docstring formatting (PEP 257)

2013-06-26 Thread Skip Montanaro
and don't bother with the blank line either. (If I'm going to punch a hole in a rule, I might as well create one big enough to comfortably walk through.) Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 8 modernisation

2013-08-01 Thread Skip Montanaro
by eliminating them, the shorter lines stand out more clearly. Skip attachment: square2.png___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Our failure at handling GSoC students

2013-08-06 Thread Skip Montanaro
without having to start over, re-analyzing changes 1 through 12. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecating the formatter module

2013-08-14 Thread Skip Montanaro
in Grail, whose most recent release appears to have been 1999: http://grail.sourceforge.net/ I'm not suggesting this is an overriding reason to keep it, just noting that it has seen significant use at one time by a rather prominent Python developer (who was apparently not at your sprint). :-) Skip

Re: [Python-Dev] Offtopic: OpenID Providers

2013-09-05 Thread Skip Montanaro
up with yet another username/password which I will just forget, or using Facebook or similar (I don't really trust them with my info). Thx, Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Offtopic: OpenID Providers

2013-09-05 Thread Skip Montanaro
that. :-/ Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Offtopic: OpenID Providers

2013-09-05 Thread Skip Montanaro
information to use their site. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] DTRACE support

2013-09-06 Thread Skip Montanaro
and Sun weren't really interested in holding hands... Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 450 adding statistics module

2013-09-09 Thread Skip Montanaro
450 package works with that? Then extend it to multiple dimensions? Or just bite the bullet and get numpy's array type into the Python core once and for all? Sort of Tulip for arrays... Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https

Re: [Python-Dev] Add a transformdict to collections

2013-09-10 Thread Skip Montanaro
that behavior be more strongly hinted at in the name? Lot's of things are transformations. You're interested in a very specific one. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https

Re: [Python-Dev] Add a transformdict to collections

2013-09-11 Thread Skip Montanaro
people think something like cidict or CaseInsensitiveDict would be more descriptive.) Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python

Re: [Python-Dev] importance of dir

2013-09-11 Thread Skip Montanaro
or packages within other packages which haven't been imported yet). I never realized that module used it. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: [Python-Dev] License() release list is imcomplete; intentional?

2013-09-17 Thread Skip Montanaro
to tack on the next line. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Compiler for the Mac OS X version of Python 3.4

2013-09-18 Thread Skip Montanaro
commercial. I suspect other Mac users stuck on Snow Leopard who are not Python developers would rue the lack of binary installers more than me. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Compiler for the Mac OS X version of Python 3.4

2013-09-18 Thread Skip Montanaro
That's why I get my Python (for Snow Leopard) from MacPorts. Unless things have changed, that probably doesn't support Mac-specific stuff, does it? I was thinking more of non-developer users who are likely to need/want Mac-specific interfaces for tools which are written in Python. That might

Re: [Python-Dev] Best practice for documentation for std lib

2013-09-23 Thread Skip Montanaro
http://docs.python.org/library/sys ... (pydoc too, though I'm 99.9% sure they use the same underlying facility Ping originally implemented.) Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Semi-official read-only Github mirror of the CPython Mercurial repository

2013-09-30 Thread Skip Montanaro
a suggested workflow for people who might want to use Git in preference to Hg, but still have write access? Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 453 (pip bootstrapping) ready for pronouncement?

2013-09-30 Thread Skip Montanaro
Splitting into two pieces also means you can implement it for 3.4 first and identify possible problems caused by preexisting pip installs before deciding whether to add it to 2.7 and 3.3. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https

Re: [Python-Dev] Checking in Argument Clinic early?

2013-10-15 Thread Skip Montanaro
of Python somewhere, if you read between the lines... :-) Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] OS X 10.9 Mavericks - 2.7.6/3.3.3 updates needed

2013-10-24 Thread Skip Montanaro
y'all will be busy trying to fix these various problems as they relate to Python, but might it not be better to simply tell people to hold off on the Python installers until Apple gets their act together? Otherwise, I fear you'll just be trying to hit a moving target. Skip

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 455: TransformDict

2013-10-30 Thread Skip Montanaro
, Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] A small patch.

2013-11-06 Thread Skip Montanaro
a value of 2013. Just knowing it's out of range isn't really enough. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail

Re: [Python-Dev] Sort error in Misc/ACKS

2013-12-09 Thread Skip Montanaro
We could always run random.shuffle() on the current list so new additions don't look out of place ;) Wouldn't that bloat the repository with diffs and make merges more difficult? wink Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed: The Great Argument Clinic Conversion Derby

2014-01-06 Thread Skip Montanaro
derby because of that. My first thought was that this exercise falls into the realm of fixing things which aren't broken. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https

Re: [Python-Dev] RFC: PEP 460: Add bytes % args and bytes.format(args) to Python 3.5

2014-01-07 Thread Skip Montanaro
. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Start writing inlines rather than macros?

2014-02-27 Thread Skip Montanaro
conditions they might not? It might still be necessary to maintain macros for those platforms. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options

Re: [Python-Dev] Start writing inlines rather than macros?

2014-02-27 Thread Skip Montanaro
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Well, if we must maintain macros, let's maintain them everywhere and avoid the burden of two different implementations for the same thing. Would it be possible to generate the macro versions from the inline/static

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed schedule for Python 3.4

2012-10-03 Thread Skip Montanaro
to be implemented and to stablize? Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed schedule for Python 3.4

2012-10-03 Thread Skip Montanaro
work in quite awhile, but BITD, I always just used the current tip of whatever version control system we happened to be using. That would automatically get me all the pre-release versions. No need to beg. :-) Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Improve error message UnboundLocalError: local variable referenced before assignment

2012-11-07 Thread Skip Montanaro
. There might also be multiple assignments. How would you know which one to pick? As for a better word than created, I would use assigned. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe

[Python-Dev] Ctypes bug fix for Solaris - too late for 2.7.3?

2013-01-27 Thread Skip Montanaro
block of code only matched on Solaris, and the fact that find_library is quite broken now on that platform), it's hard to see how things would be worse after applying it. BTW, this will be a requirement for getting PyPy running on Solaris. (That's the context where i encountered it.) Thanks, Skip

Re: [Python-Dev] Ctypes bug fix for Solaris - too late for 2.7.3?

2013-01-27 Thread Skip Montanaro
? :-) Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: I was just thinking that os.path could use some love...

2013-01-30 Thread Skip Montanaro
still seems to have legs, and an implementation: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pathlib/0.7 Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python

Re: [Python-Dev] XML DoS vulnerabilities and exploits in Python

2013-02-20 Thread Skip Montanaro
than a factor of 10 when fully expanded. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] peps: Pre-alpha draft for PEP 435 (enum). The name is not important at the moment, as

2013-02-25 Thread Skip Montanaro
to masquerade as true named constants. Perhaps the correct solution is to consider support for true constants in Python. (I would be surprised if there wasn't already at least one rejected or dormant PEP regarding that topic.) Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] peps: Pre-alpha draft for PEP 435 (enum). The name is not important at the moment, as

2013-02-25 Thread Skip Montanaro
that sneaking artificial ordering in the back door via enumerations is the correct thing to do. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Introducing Electronic Contributor Agreements

2013-03-04 Thread Skip Montanaro
at PSF World Headquarters to execute the electronic contributor agreement? While not strictly necessary, I suspect it might be nice for you to have all agreements in a common form. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] can't assign to function call

2013-03-18 Thread Skip Montanaro
before launching into discussions of syntax and semantics on python-dev. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail

Re: [Python-Dev] The end of 2.7

2013-04-07 Thread Skip Montanaro
I started writing this last night before the flurry of messages which arrived overnight. I thought originally, Oh, Skip, you're being too harsh. But now I'm not so sure. I think you are approaching the issue of 2.7's EOL incorrectly. Of those discussing the end of Python 2.7, how many of you

[Python-Dev] Fwd: SourceForge Project Upgrade Notification

2013-04-08 Thread Skip Montanaro
Obviously SourceForge doesn't think the current release interval is short enough. (Emphasis mine.) :-) Skip -- Forwarded message -- From: SourceForge.net noreply+project-upgr...@in.sf.net Date: Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:09 PM Subject: SourceForge Project Upgrade Notification

Re: [Python-Dev] The end of 2.7

2013-04-08 Thread Skip Montanaro
to be much more difficult, I think we would have attempted that. 2.7 Seemed like the better step though, especially considering its compatibility with 2.4 and the fact that it has a lot of things backported from Python 3 to ease the eventual transition to Python 3. Skip

Re: [Python-Dev] Sharing docstrings between the Python and C implementations of a module

2013-04-15 Thread Skip Montanaro
and insert them where appropriate as part of the build process? That said, I haven't any idea how you might accomplish that. Maybe this general problem should be thrown over the python-ideas to cook for awhile... Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python

Re: [Python-Dev] HAVE_FSTAT?

2013-05-17 Thread Skip Montanaro
Some pieces of code are still guarded by: #ifdef HAVE_FSTAT ... #endif Are there other guards for similarly common libc functions? If so, perhaps each one should be removed in a series of change sets, one per guard. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing

Re: [Python-Dev] Ordering keyword dicts

2013-05-19 Thread Skip Montanaro
if they are held in a normal dictionary? Debugging at the Python level or the C level? Can you give an example where it would be easier to debug? If it makes it easier here, would it make it easier to debug other dictionary usage if they were ordered? Skip

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 8 and function names

2013-05-27 Thread Skip Montanaro
) * Sometimes Cerberus was sleeping, and they snuck past him In any case, once a module makes it into the standard library, the cost of changing spelling outweighs the benefits of slavish adherence to PEP 8. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

[Python-Dev] Doubly linked lists in Python core?

2013-06-11 Thread Skip Montanaro
debugging gymnastics (ow! my back hurts) I thought I would check to see if Python makes much use of double linked lists in a non-debug build. I don't recall a lot from days of yore, perhaps some in the dict implementation? Thanks, Skip ___ Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Doubly linked lists in Python core?

2013-06-11 Thread Skip Montanaro
==by 0x40168D: main (binary-wrapper-main.c:382) Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Can 3.1 still be built without complex?

2009-10-15 Thread Skip Montanaro
http://bugs.python.org/issue7147 Passes test (no big surprise there). Doesn't yet include any changes to documentation or Misc/NEWS entry. Should this be decided I will take a look at that. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 466: Proposed policy change for handling network security enhancements

2014-03-23 Thread Skip Montanaro
what you call it. Why not be transparent about it? Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 466: Proposed policy change for handling network security enhancements

2014-03-24 Thread Skip Montanaro
this thing (whatever it turns out to be) 2.8? Is this pledge and its rationale written down in a PEP somewhere, so I can study the reasons behind what appears at this point to be blind adherence? Did someone administer a blood oath at a recent PyCon? Pledge-be-damned-ly y'rs, Skip

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 466: Proposed policy change for handling network security enhancements

2014-03-24 Thread Skip Montanaro
will have to make some changes to take advantage of these updated security bits. Is there some path forward that really makes everything a drop-in improvement, requiring no change to application code, and breaking nothing that already works? Skip ___ Python-Dev

[Python-Dev] ISO 8601 durations and datetime.timedelta

2014-03-28 Thread Skip Montanaro
years and months args in their constructors. This is why I said this deserved a separate topic. Probably on python-ideas. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https

Re: [Python-Dev] Negative timedelta strings

2014-03-28 Thread Skip Montanaro
sees fit. That would support the ISO 8601 syntax (*), and anything else the programmer things is better than the status quo. Skip (*) As an aside (that is, this belongs in a separate thread if you want to discuss it), in my opinion, attempting to support ISO 8601 formatting is pointless without

Re: [Python-Dev] Negative timedelta strings

2014-04-02 Thread Skip Montanaro
, you wind up with situations where shorter months can be skipped altogether. Is there a way to talk in terms of months but not have short months get skipped? Thx, Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman

[Python-Dev] Python 4?

2014-04-03 Thread Skip Montanaro
, actually, a Phython3) directory. WTH is Python 4? Skip -- Forwarded message -- From: C. Reese care...@vcu.org Date: Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:03 AM Subject: Updated phython To: webmas...@python.org just updated to Python 4. (installed to C: drive) ... now i notice there are separate

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 4?

2014-04-03 Thread Skip Montanaro
that an April Fool's prank went so far as to put a tarted up version of Python 3.x out in the wild where unsuspecting folks would find and install it. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev

Re: [Python-Dev] this is what happens if you freeze all the modules required for startup

2014-04-14 Thread Skip Montanaro
python -c 'import tradelink.snake.v11_2 ; raise SystemExit' real 0m0.671s user 0m0.405s sys 0m0.044s % time python -c 'raise SystemExit' real 0m0.022s user 0m0.011s sys 0m0.009s Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org

[Python-Dev] Mercurial sluggishness (was: this is what happens if you freeze all the modules required for startup)

2014-04-15 Thread Skip Montanaro
. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial sluggishness (was: this is what happens if you freeze all the modules required for startup)

2014-04-15 Thread Skip Montanaro
much. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial sluggishness (was: this is what happens if you freeze all the modules required for startup)

2014-04-15 Thread Skip Montanaro
. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink If you blink, you've missed Python 2.7 startup on a relatively modern machine. wink Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https

Re: [Python-Dev] pep8 reasoning

2014-04-24 Thread Skip Montanaro
that sleeping dog lie. I have better things to do with my life. New stuff I write tends to be much more pep8-ish. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] pep8 reasoning

2014-04-24 Thread Skip Montanaro
more work to read mixedCase names. Given Guido's background, I suspect these studies might have been done at CWI in the context of the ABC language. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] devguide: Fix broken link to Skip's optimizer paper, update bug link

2014-05-02 Thread Skip Montanaro
? Zach, That's as a good a link as I know of. (Lot of water under the bridge since then!) Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python

Re: [Python-Dev] Where is our official policy of what platforms we do support?

2014-05-14 Thread Skip Montanaro
I wonder if one or more people who maintain unofficial forks on minority platforms (OS/2, VMS, etc) could create an informational PEP about the process (benefits and pitfalls) of that kind of effort? Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Where is our official policy of what platforms we do support?

2014-05-15 Thread Skip Montanaro
for this. If failing, such buildbots wouldn't block a release, but would still provide tools for people to track down the source of breakage. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe

Re: [Python-Dev] Where is our official policy of what platforms we do support?

2014-05-15 Thread Skip Montanaro
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Brett Cannon bcan...@gmail.com wrote: I view stable buildbots as staying up and testing critical platforms. Would supported and unsupported (or critical and optional?) make more sense? Unstable suggests broken to me, not we don't really care about these. S

Re: [Python-Dev] Where is our official policy of what platforms we do support?

2014-05-15 Thread Skip Montanaro
just the unstable category. What do those two categories have to do with supported and unsupported? Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: [Python-Dev] Criticism of execfile() removal in Python3

2014-06-14 Thread Skip Montanaro
to check around to see how other people use interactive mode. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail

Re: [Python-Dev] Fix Unicode-disabled build of Python 2.7

2014-06-24 Thread Skip Montanaro
I can't see any reason to make a backwards-incompatible change to Python 2 to only support Unicode. You're bound to break somebody's setup. Wouldn't it be better to fix bugs as Serhiy has done? Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Fix Unicode-disabled build of Python 2.7

2014-06-25 Thread Skip Montanaro
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: Aye, in this case, I'm in the officially deprecate the feature camp. Definitely preferable to the suggestion to remove the configure flag. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python

Re: [Python-Dev] Bluetooth 4.0 support in socket module

2014-07-14 Thread Skip Montanaro
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Tim Tisdall tisd...@gmail.com wrote: Is there some online documentation with guidelines on how to contribute? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=contribute+to+python Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https

Re: [Python-Dev] Bluetooth 4.0 support in socket module

2014-07-14 Thread Skip Montanaro
a beer. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Job Board

2014-07-14 Thread Skip Montanaro
. A better place to comment about the job board (and perhaps volunteer to help with the current effort) is j...@python.org. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https

Re: [Python-Dev] Reviving restricted mode?

2014-08-11 Thread Skip Montanaro
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 12:42 PM, matsjoyce matsjo...@gmail.com wrote: There maybe some holes in my approach, but I can't find them. There's the rub. Given time, I suspect someone will discover a hole or two. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python

Re: [Python-Dev] pip enhancement

2014-08-27 Thread Skip Montanaro
the --upgrade flag it tries to uninstall the global version. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] pip enhancement

2014-08-27 Thread Skip Montanaro
be great if there was a way for it to tell me where on my system it found outdated package X. The --verbose flag tells me all sorts of other stuff I'm not really interested in, but not the installed location of the outdated package. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing

Re: [Python-Dev] pip enhancement

2014-08-27 Thread Skip Montanaro
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Ian Cordasco graffatcolmin...@gmail.com wrote: Also, isn't this discussion better suited for Distutils-SIG? I started up a thread there. I'd post an archive link, but it hasn't yet turned up in the distutils-sig archive. Skip

Re: [Python-Dev] https:bugs.python.org -- Untrusted Connection (Firefox)

2014-09-01 Thread Skip Montanaro
I got the same in Chrome on my Mac. Skip On Sep 1, 2014 8:00 PM, John Wong gokoproj...@gmail.com wrote: As of today I still am getting untrusted cert thought I would re-ping to see if there is an ETA. On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 8/21/2014 7:25

<    5   6   7   8   9   10   11   12   >