[Python-Dev] Re: Increase of Spammy PRs and PR reviews

2022-02-01 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, Le 01/02/2022 à 07:25, Martin Dengler a écrit : The fact people are assuming bad faith and spilling ink about those getting involved with that extremely-underserved part when contributors are sorely > needed is counter-productive. I disagree, the original message was a good-faith

[Python-Dev] Re: Recent PEP-8 change

2020-07-02 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 2020-07-02 à 09 h 52, Paul Moore a écrit : > What *is* the correct inclusive way to refer to an unidentified person > in a technical document, without sacrificing clarity by using > convoluted circumlocutions like "he/her/they" or over-use of the > passive voice? One technique is alternating

Re: [Python-Dev] Why aren't decorators just expressions?

2017-09-18 Thread Éric Araujo
Hello, Le 2017-09-16 à 07:22, Serhiy Storchaka a écrit : > 16.09.17 12:39, Larry Hastings пише: >> So why don't decorators allow arbitrary expressions?  [...] > > Actually I remember somebody raised this question a year or two ago,> but > don't remember details. The discussion I remember

Re: [Python-Dev] hg branching + log question

2014-03-18 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 18/03/2014 04:05, Jeff Allen a écrit : I found it helpful to practice extensively on something that doesn't matter. The gap for me is still examples of what I want done well. Clearly the Python repos represent complex work, but even accepting it is all done well, are without much commentary.

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of 3.2 in Hg repository?

2013-08-21 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 21/08/2013 14:22, Tim Peters a écrit : BTW, it's not quite a null-merge. The v3.2.5 release tag doesn't currently exist in the 3.3 or default .hgtags files. So long as 3.2 has a topological head, people on the 3.3 and default branches won't notice (unless they look directly at .hgtags -

Re: [Python-Dev] eval and triple quoted strings

2013-06-17 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 17/06/2013 20:49, Benjamin Peterson a écrit : Reading Python coding cookies is outside the purview of TextIOWrapper. However, it would be good to have a function in the stdlib to read a python source file to Unicode; I've definitely implemented that several times. IIUC you want

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 443 - Single-dispatch generic functions

2013-05-23 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, Thanks for writing this PEP. Blessing one implementation for the stdlib and one official backport will make programmers’ lives a bit easier :) @fun.register(int) ... def _(arg, verbose=False): ... if verbose: ... print(Strength in numbers, eh?, end= ) ...

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 443 - Single-dispatch generic functions

2013-05-23 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 23/05/2013 16:10, Łukasz Langa a écrit : Does this work if the implementation function is called like the first decorated function? No, the ``register()`` attribute returns the undecorated function which enables decorator stacking, as well as creating unit tests for each variant

Re: [Python-Dev] What code in Python creates .exe launchers for 'entry_points' in 'setup.py'?

2013-04-01 Thread Éric Araujo
Hello, Le 01/04/2013 16:51, Grigory Petrov a écrit : But what python code is responsible for creation of this bootstrapper executables? I have searched python 2.7.3 source code for some time, but can't find a place. Setuptools is not in the standard library, so you would need to search the

Re: [Python-Dev] BDFL delegation for PEP 426 + distutils freeze

2013-02-06 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 06/02/2013 05:03, Chris Jerdonek a écrit : I asked this earlier, but didn't see a response. Is the freeze stated somewhere like in a PEP? It’s part in notes from the PyCon 2010 Language Summit, part in unwritten policy in the heads of people involved in distutils bugs these last years. If

Re: [Python-Dev] BDFL delegation for PEP 426 + distutils freeze

2013-02-03 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, I don’t have a problem with Nick improving the PEP and deciding on its acceptance. Le 03/02/2013 07:48, Antoine Pitrou a écrit : On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 12:34:36 + Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: So it's perfectly possible to use wheels right now, without the pip integration. But

Re: [Python-Dev] BDFL delegation for PEP 426 (PyPI metadata 1.3)

2013-02-03 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, Le 03/02/2013 13:57, Daniel Holth a écrit : My position is that these days distutils doesn't belong in the standard library any more than Django does. You can install anything you want, but first you need an installer. I think that a language needs packaging formats and basic build and

Re: [Python-Dev] Draft PEP for time zone support.

2012-12-12 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, Le 12/12/2012 04:53, Christian Heimes a écrit : Am 12.12.2012 01:58, schrieb Nick Coghlan: Ick, why a new module? Why not just add this directly to datetime? (It doesn't need to be provided by the C accelerator, it can go straight in the pure Python part). +1 for something like

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython (3.3): Add examples for opener argument of open (#13424).

2012-11-06 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, Le 05/11/2012 13:04, Georg Brandl a écrit : Please heed your Sphinx warnings: the :ref:`dir_fd` needs a link caption, since it can't autogenerate one (the dir_fd anchor does not point to a heading). Okay. I hadn’t noticed it because I was using my system sphinx-build instead of a local

[Python-Dev] Python Bug Day this Saturday announced

2012-10-29 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi everybody, I just sent the announcement for the bug day to python-list (apparently pending approval), core-mentorship and montrealpython. Core developers who plan on being on IRC can add themselves to the list on http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonBugDay so that people can connect nicknames

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Bug Day in October

2012-10-23 Thread Éric Araujo
Hello, Le 12/10/2012 13:50, Petri Lehtinen a écrit : It's two and a half weeks left, but I've not seen any announcements yet! Indeed, work and other commitments took over, so we (Montréal-Python) decided to move the bug day instead of announcing it late. The date that would work for us is

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Bug Day in October

2012-10-02 Thread Éric Araujo
Hello, We confirm October 27! User groups and devs on IRC, join us if you can. I’ll send an announcement to the mentoring list to let subscribers know about the event. Cheers ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Bug Day in October

2012-10-02 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi Chris, Le 02/10/2012 18:14, Chris Angelico a écrit : Apologies if this is a stupid question (or just completely misdirected), but does this mean that if I'm interested in participating in the bug day, the first step should be to join core-mentorship@? It’s not required, but you are

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Bug Day in October

2012-10-01 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 01/10/2012 18:38, R. David Murray a écrit : Yes. I think there are people already trying to to (or perhaps even succeeding) in arranging spaces for that date, so changing it would be a disruption to those plans. Yes, it’s always a bit painful to go through another round of email, calls or

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Bug Day in October

2012-09-28 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, Cool to see the positive response! I’m waiting for confirmation of our venue in Montreal and will follow-up on this list and update the wiki page. Petri, your lists of bugs will definitely be helpful. Thanks all! ___ Python-Dev mailing list

[Python-Dev] Python Bug Day in October

2012-09-27 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi all, The Montreal-Python user group would like to host a bug day on October 27 (to be confirmed) at a partner university in Montreal. It would be cool to do a bug day on IRC like we used to (and in other physical locations if people want to!) to get new contributors and close bugs. What do

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-13 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, Le 13/09/2012 10:34, Nick Coghlan a écrit : Actually, I'd be happy to do the rearrangement needed to turn pkgutil into a package rather than the current single module. I very much prefer not mixing pkgutil (dealing with packages that you import) and build/distribution/installation support

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-12 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, Lib/packaging is in the repository history, and in my backup clones, but it’s not visible in any branch head as we have no branch for 3.4 yet. I can bring the directory back with a simple Mercurial command. However, it’s not clear to me that we want to do that. At the inception of the

Re: [Python-Dev] packaging location ?

2012-09-12 Thread Éric Araujo
I'm happy to note that as of version 0.6.28 distutils (the setuptools fork) You certainly mean distribute. :-) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe:

Re: [Python-Dev] 2to3 porting HOWTO: setup.py question

2012-07-23 Thread Éric Araujo
On 22/07/2012 15:57, R. David Murray wrote: I'm not familiar with distutils, really, so you could be right about what it is important to test. I was commenting based on the code snippet presented, which just deciding which build object to use. If build_py_2to3 can be imported by python2 and

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] peps: specify Provides-Extra

2012-07-06 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 06/07/2012 10:36, benjamin.peterson a écrit : http://hg.python.org/peps/rev/4dc72bbf9ed2 changeset: 4483:4dc72bbf9ed2 user:Daniel Holthdho...@fastmail.fm date:Wed Jul 04 07:30:08 2012 -0400 summary: specify Provides-Extra Sorry, but this was premature. The mail on

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] peps: Mark PEP 362 as accepted. Huzzah!

2012-06-25 Thread Éric Araujo
Hey Larry, http://hg.python.org/peps/rev/5019413bf672 user:Larry Hastings la...@hastings.org date:Fri Jun 22 15:16:35 2012 -0700 summary: Mark PEP 362 as accepted. Huzzah! diff --git a/pep-0362.txt b/pep-0362.txt --- a/pep-0362.txt +++ b/pep-0362.txt @@ -4,7 +4,7 @@

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.3 feature freeze

2012-06-25 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, please consider the default branch frozen for new features as of now. As you know, this also includes changes like large cleanups that cannot be considered bug fixes. [...] I hope that we will see the branch (and the buildbots) calm down and stabilize a bit tomorrow, so that everything

Re: [Python-Dev] Status of packaging in 3.3

2012-06-20 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi all, Sorry I can’t take the time to reply to all messages, this week I’m fully busy with work and moving out. To answer or correct a few things: - I am lacking time these months, but that’s because I’m still getting used to having a full-time job and being settled into a new country.

[Python-Dev] Status of packaging in 3.3

2012-06-19 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi all, We need to make a decision about the packaging module in Python 3.3. Please read this message and breathe deeply before replying :) [Sorry this ends up being so long; Tarek, Georg, Guido, I hope you have the time to read it.] Let me first summarize the history of packaging

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 405 (built-in virtualenv) status

2012-06-03 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, Le 02/06/2012 12:59, Christian Tismer a écrit : One urgent question: will this feature be backported to Python 2.7? Features are never backported to the stable versions. virtualenv still exists as a standalone project which is compatible with 2.7 though. Regards

Re: [Python-Dev] docs.python.org pointing to Python 3 by default?

2012-05-21 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 21/05/2012 07:42, Georg Brandl a écrit : What about: * Canonical: docs.python.org/2/ docs.python.org/3/ for latest versions of 2.x and 3.x docs.python.org/2.7/ etc. for latest minor versions docs.python.org/dev/ for latest dev version. +1. I’d be +1 to adding /stable but

Re: [Python-Dev] Open PEPs and large-scale changes for 3.3

2012-05-01 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, Le 01/05/2012 09:30, Nick Coghlan a écrit : * PEP 3144: IP Address manipulation library This is pretty close to approval. Peter's addressed all the substantive comments that were made regarding the draft API, and he's going to provide an update to the PEP shortly that should get it into a

Re: [Python-Dev] Assigning copyright...

2012-04-25 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi Stefan, The PSF does not require copyright assignment (ugh!), only a contributor agreement. http://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form/ should give you all you need. Regards ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython (2.7): #14538: HTMLParser can now parse correctly start tags that contain a bare /.

2012-04-24 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 24/04/2012 15:02, Georg Brandl a écrit : On 24.04.2012 20:34, Benjamin Peterson wrote: 2012/4/24 Georg Brandlg.bra...@gmx.net: I think that's misleading: there's no way to correctly parse malformed HTML. There is in the since that you can follow the HTML5 algorithm, which can parse any

Re: [Python-Dev] Suggested addition to PEP 8 for context managers

2012-04-19 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, +- If operators with different priorities are used, consider adding + whitespace around the operators with the lowest priority(ies). This + is very much to taste; however, never use more than one space, and + always have the same amount of whitespace on both sides of a binary +

Re: [Python-Dev] Suggested addition to PEP 8 for context managers

2012-04-19 Thread Éric Araujo
If I change that phrase to Use your own judgement does that help? It does. It may also help fight the mindset that PEP 8 is a Law. Regards ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Security issue with the tracker

2012-04-13 Thread Éric Araujo
bugs.python.org already sanitizes the ok_message and Ezio already posted a patch to the upstream bug tracker, so I don’t see what else we could do. Also note that the Firefox extension NoScript blocks the XSS in this case. Regards ___ Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Virtualenv not portable from Python 2.7.2 to 2.7.3 (os.urandom missing)

2012-03-29 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 29/03/2012 22:04, Nick Coghlan a écrit : On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 4:26 AM, Carl Meyer c...@oddbird.net wrote: I've added this option as a comment on bug 1. The title of that bug is worded such that it could be reasonably resolved either with the backwards-compatibility fix or the release

Re: [Python-Dev] Playing with a new theme for the docs, iteration 2

2012-03-26 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, Le 25/03/2012 15:25, Georg Brandl a écrit : On 25.03.2012 21:11, Steven D'Aprano wrote: I think it would be better to leave 2.7 with the old theme, to keep it visually distinct from the nifty new theme used with the nifty new 3.2 and 3.3 versions. Hmm, -0 here. I'd like more opinions on

Re: [Python-Dev] GSoC 2012: Python Core Participation?

2012-03-21 Thread Éric Araujo
Good evening, If you are a core committer and volunteer as GSoC mentor for 2012, please let me know by Friday (March 23rd). There is a number of interesting things to implement in packaging, and at least one student who manifested their interest, but unfortunately I am presently unable to say

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.3.0 alpha 1

2012-03-21 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 06/03/2012 15:31, Giampaolo Rodolà a écrit : That's why I once proposed to include whatsnew.rst changes every time a new feature is added/committed. Assigning that effort to the release manager or whoever is supposed to take care of this, is both impractical and prone to forgetfulness.

Re: [Python-Dev] Python install layout and the PATH on win32

2012-03-20 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, Le 20/03/2012 21:40, VanL a écrit : On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Paul Moore wrote: It's worth remembering Éric's point - distutils is frozen and changes are in theory not allowed. This part of the proposal is not possible without an exception to that ruling. Personally, I don't

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython (3.2): this stuff will actually be new in 3.2.4

2012-03-17 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, changeset: 509b222679e8 branch: 3.2 user:Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org date:Wed Mar 07 18:49:43 2012 -0600 summary: this stuff will actually be new in 3.2.4 diff --git a/Misc/NEWS b/Misc/NEWS --- a/Misc/NEWS +++ b/Misc/NEWS @@ -2,6 +2,57 @@ Python

Re: [Python-Dev] Python install layout and the PATH on win32

2012-03-16 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, Le 16/03/2012 16:17, Lindberg, Van a écrit : On 3/16/2012 3:38 AM, Paul Moore wrote: 1. The incompatibilities between platforms is precisely the problem that sysconfig is designed to solve, isn't it? So tools in Python will either use sysconfig (and be correct regardless of layout) or

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Distutils2 1.0a4

2012-03-13 Thread Éric Araujo
What would be a release email without errors? :) The wiki link I gave doesn’t work, it should be http://wiki.python.org/moin/Distutils2/Contributing ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev

[Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Distutils2 1.0a4

2012-03-13 Thread Éric Araujo
Hello, On behalf of the distutils2 contributors, I am thrilled to announce the release of Distutils2 1.0a4. Distutils2 is the packaging library that supersedes Distutils. It supports distributing, uploading, downloading, installing and removing projects, and is also a support library for other

Re: [Python-Dev] Why does Mac OS X python share site-packages with apple python?

2012-03-05 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, Le 03/03/2012 22:57, Ned Deily a écrit : The python.org OS X Pythons (and built-from-source framework builds) add the Apple-specific directory to the search path in order to allow sharing of installed third-party packages between the two. The interesting thing to me here is that Ned’s

[Python-Dev] Misc/NEWS in 2.7 and 3.2

2012-03-05 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, I noticed that the top-level section in Misc/NEWS (i.e. the section where we add entries) for 3.3 is for 3.3.0a2 (the next release), but in 2.7 and 3.2 we’re still adding entries to the sections corresponding to the last RCs. Will the RMs move things when they merge back their release

Re: [Python-Dev] Compiling Python on Linux with Intel's icc

2012-03-02 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, Le 02/03/2012 11:55, Alex Leach a écrit : My only other concern is with distutils, as it doesn't support icc on a Xeon. Could you expand on that? distutils is supposed to support all unix-like C compilers. Regards ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 414

2012-03-01 Thread Éric Araujo
Hello, Le 02/03/2012 00:15, Yury Selivanov a écrit : And that's just the beginning of such questions. And when this PEP was suddenly approved, many of us felt that all those questions are not answered and were not even discussed. Let me comment on that “suddenly”. We joke about Guido being

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 414 - Unicode Literals for Python 3

2012-02-28 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 28/02/2012 13:48, Giampaolo Rodolà a écrit : Il 28 febbraio 2012 13:19, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net ha scritto: IMO, maintaining two branches shouldn't be much more work than maintaining hacks so that a single codebase works with two different programming languages. Would that

[Python-Dev] Marking packaging-related PEPs as Finished after fixing some bugs in them

2012-02-27 Thread Éric Araujo
Hello, The three packaging-related PEPs that were written by the distutils SIG and approved two years ago are still marked as Accepted, not Finished: SA 345 Metadata for Python Software Packages 1.2 Jones SA 376 Database of Installed Python Distributions

Re: [Python-Dev] http://pythonmentors.com/

2012-02-22 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 11/02/2012 12:00, Eli Bendersky a écrit : Well, I think the situation is pretty good now. If one goes to python.org and is interested in contributing, clicking on the Core Development link is a sensible step, right? Maybe, depending on your knowledge of jargon. How about rewording that

Re: [Python-Dev] requirements for moving __import__ over to importlib?

2012-02-22 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi Brett, I think this message went unanswered, so here’s a late reply: Le 07/02/2012 23:21, Brett Cannon a écrit : On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 15:28, Dirkjan Ochtman dirk...@ochtman.nl wrote: [...] Anyway, I think there was enough of a python3 port for Mercurial (from various GSoC students) that

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython (2.6): - Issue #13703: oCERT-2011-003: add -R command-line option and PYTHONHASHSEED

2012-02-20 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 21/02/2012 03:04, Benjamin Peterson a écrit : 2012/2/20 Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net: Changing the sequence size of sys.flags can break existing code (e.g. tuple-unpacking). I told George I didn't think it was a major problem. How much code have you seen trying to upack sys.flags?

Re: [Python-Dev] folding cElementTree behind ElementTree in 3.3

2012-02-14 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 14/02/2012 08:58, Stefan Behnel a écrit : I'm -1 on emitting a deprecation warning just because cElementTree is being replaced by a bare import. That's an implementation detail, just like cElementTree should have been an implementation detail in the first place. In all currently maintained

Re: [Python-Dev] requirements for moving __import__ over to importlib?

2012-02-11 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 07/02/2012 23:21, Brett Cannon a écrit : On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 15:28, Dirkjan Ochtman dirk...@ochtman.nl wrote: Yeah, startup performance getting worse kinda sucks for command-line apps. And IIRC it's been getting worse over the past few releases... Anyway, I think there was enough of a

Re: [Python-Dev] distutils 'depends' management

2012-02-03 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi Matteo, Now setup.py will rebuild all every time, this is because the policy of newer_group in build_extension is to consider 'newer' any missing file. Here you certainly mean “older”. [...] Can someone suggest me the reason of this choice distutils’ notion of dependencies directly

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: add str.casefold() (closes #13752)

2012-01-19 Thread Éric Araujo
Thanks for 0b5ce36a7a24 Benjamin. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: add str.casefold() (closes #13752)

2012-01-17 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, changeset: d4669f43d05f user:Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org date:Sat Jan 14 13:23:30 2012 -0500 summary: add str.casefold() (closes #13752) diff --git a/Doc/library/stdtypes.rst b/Doc/library/stdtypes.rst --- a/Doc/library/stdtypes.rst +++

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: provide a common method to check for RETR_DATA validity, first checking the

2012-01-17 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi Giampaolo, changeset: 53a5a5b8859d user:Giampaolo Rodola' g.rod...@gmail.com date:Mon Jan 09 17:10:10 2012 +0100 summary: provide a common method to check for RETR_DATA validity, first checking the expected len and then the actual data content; this way we get a failure

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: Refactored logging rotating handlers for improved flexibility.

2012-01-17 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, changeset: 57295c4d81ac user:Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk date:Wed Jan 04 12:02:26 2012 + summary: Refactored logging rotating handlers for improved flexibility. diff --git a/Doc/howto/logging-cookbook.rst b/Doc/howto/logging-cookbook.rst ---

Re: [Python-Dev] Sphinx version for Python 2.x docs

2012-01-16 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, Le 14/01/2012 15:31, Sandro Tosi a écrit : On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 04:24, Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org wrote: Doc/glossary.rst:520: WARNING: unknown keyword: nonlocal That’s a mistake I did in cefe4f38fa0e. This sentence should be removed. Do you mean revert this whole hunk

Re: [Python-Dev] Sphinx version for Python 2.x docs

2012-01-13 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi Sandro, Thanks for getting the ball rolling on this. One style for markup, one Sphinx version to code our extensions against and one location for the documenting guidelines will make our work a bit easier. During the build process, there are some warnings that I can understand: I assume

Re: [Python-Dev] readd u'' literal support in 3.3?

2011-12-09 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, When running 2to3 from a setup.py script, does it run on the whole codebase or only files that are found newer by the make-like timestamp-based dependency system? If it’s the former, as some messages seem to show (sorry no time to test right now), ISTM we can fix distutils to do the latter

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 402: Simplified Package Layout and Partitioning

2011-11-30 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, Thanks for the replies. At this point, though, before doing any more work on the PEP I'd like to have some idea of whether there's any chance of it being accepted. At this point, there seems to be a lot of passive, Usenet nod syndrome type support for it, but little active support. If

Re: [Python-Dev] PyPy 1.7 - widening the sweet spot

2011-11-26 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 25/11/2011 19:21, Amaury Forgeot d'Arc a écrit : And oh, I almost forgot distutils, which needs to parse some Makefile which of course does not exist in PyPy. This is a bug (#10764) that I intend to fix for the next releases of 2.7 and 3.2. I also want to fix all modules that use

Re: [Python-Dev] Merging 3.2 to 3.3 is messy because Misc/NEWS

2011-11-26 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 26/11/2011 03:18, Jesus Cea a écrit : On 12/11/11 16:56, Éric Araujo wrote: Ezio and I chatted a bit about his on IRC and he may try to write a Python parser for Misc/NEWS in order to write a fully automated merge tool. Anything new in this front? :-) Not from me. I don’t have

Re: [Python-Dev] Merging 3.2 to 3.3 is messy because Misc/NEWS

2011-11-26 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 26/11/2011 06:29, Nick Coghlan a écrit : On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: To me, it would make more sense to split the file into a Misc/NEWS3.2 and Misc/NEWS3.3 much as we've done with whatsnew. That would make merging a piece of cake and would avoid adding a

Re: [Python-Dev] Long term development external named branches and periodic merges from python

2011-11-26 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 24/11/2011 22:46, Xavier Morel a écrit : Wouldn't it be simpler to just use MQ and upload the patch(es) from the series? MQ is a very powerful and useful tool, but its learning curve is steeper than regular Mercurial, and it is not designed for long-term development. Rebasing patches is more

Re: [Python-Dev] Long term development external named branches and periodic merges from python

2011-11-26 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 25/11/2011 03:39, Jesus Cea a écrit : On 24/11/11 18:08, Éric Araujo wrote: I have a question and I would rather have an answer instead of actually trying and getting myself in a messy situation. Clones are cheap, trying is cheap! cheap wink [snip valid reasons for not trying] My reply

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecation policy

2011-11-26 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, +1 to all Ezio said. One specific remark: PendingDeprecationWarning could just become an alias of DeprecationWarning, but maybe there is code out there that relies on the distinction, and there is no real value in making it an alias (there is value in removing it altogether, but we can’t do

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 402: Simplified Package Layout and Partitioning

2011-11-26 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, Going through my email backlog. Le 11/08/2011 20:30, P.J. Eby a écrit : At 04:39 PM 8/11/2011 +0200, Éric Araujo wrote: (By the way, both of these additions to the import protocol (i.e. the dynamically-added ``__path__``, and dynamically-created modules) apply recursively to child

Re: [Python-Dev] Long term development external named branches and periodic merges from python

2011-11-24 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, I have a question and I would rather have an answer instead of actually trying and getting myself in a messy situation. Clones are cheap, trying is cheap! cheap wink Let say we have the following scenario: 1. A programer clones hg.python.org. 2. Programer creates a named branch and

Re: [Python-Dev] patch metadata - to use or not to use?

2011-11-21 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, I recently got some patches accepted for inclusion in 3.3, and each time, the patch metadata (such as my name and my commit comment) were stripped by applying the patch manually, instead of hg importing it. This makes it clear in the history who eventually reviewed and applied the

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython (2.7): PDB now will properly escape backslashes in the names of modules it executes.

2011-11-18 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi Jason, http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/f7dd5178f36a branch: 2.7 user:Jason R. Coombs jar...@jaraco.com date:Thu Nov 17 18:03:24 2011 -0500 summary: PDB now will properly escape backslashes in the names of modules it executes. Fixes #7750 diff --git

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 376 - contents of RECORD file

2011-11-15 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi Paul, Looking at a RECORD file installed by pysetup (on 3.3 trunk, on Windows) all of the filenames seem to be absolute, even though the package is pure-Python and so everything is under site-packages. Looking at PEP 376, it looks like the paths should be relative to site-packages. Two

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: Issue #6397: Support '/dev/poll' polling objects in select module, under

2011-11-15 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/8f7ab4bf7ad9 user:Jesus Cea j...@jcea.es date:Mon Nov 14 19:07:41 2011 +0100 summary: Issue #6397: Support '/dev/poll' polling objects in select module, under Solaris derivatives. +.. _devpoll-objects: + +``/dev/poll`` Polling

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython (merge 3.2 - default): Fix memory leak with FLUFL-related syntax errors (!)

2011-11-14 Thread Éric Araujo
changeset: 0feb5a5dbaeb user:Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net date:Sun Nov 13 01:02:02 2011 +0100 summary: Fix memory leak with FLUFL-related syntax errors (!) I don’t think it is allowed to criticize FLUFL-related code. As the FLUFL is flawless, so are flufly things.

Re: [Python-Dev] Merging 3.2 to 3.3 is messy because Misc/NEWS

2011-11-12 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, My usual merge tool is vimdiff, with a little configuration so that it shows only two panes instead of three (destination file on the left, file from the other branch on the right, and if I need to compare either with the common ancestor to see which chunks I want from each file, I use a

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: quote the type name for improved readability

2011-11-07 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/bbc929bc2224 user:Philip Jenvey pjen...@underboss.org summary: quote the type name for improved readability files: Python/bltinmodule.c | 2 +- 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) diff --git a/Python/bltinmodule.c

Re: [Python-Dev] PyDict_Get/SetItem and dict subclasses

2011-11-05 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi Victor, PyDict_GetItem() and PyDict_SetItem() don't call __getitem__ and __setitem__ for dict subclasses. Is there a reason for that? http://bugs.python.org/issue10977 “Currently, the concrete object C API bypasses any methods defined on subclasses of builtin types.” Cheers

Re: [Python-Dev] Code cleanups in stable branches?

2011-11-04 Thread Éric Araujo
Nick and Brett share the opinion that some code cleanups can be considered bugfixes, whereas MvL, Barry and Raymond defend that we never know what can get broken and it’s not worth risking it. I have added a comment on #13283 (removal of two unused variable in locale.py) to restate this policy,

Re: [Python-Dev] ints not overflowing into longs?

2011-11-03 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi Derek, I tried in the 2.7.1 and 2.6.7 installations included in OS X 10.7, and also a 2.7.2+ (not sure what the + is) The + means that’s it’s 2.7.2 + some commits, in other words the in-development version that will become 2.7.3. This bit of info seems to be missing from the doc. Regards

Re: [Python-Dev] Packaging and binary distributions

2011-10-31 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, I'd like to reopen the discussions on how the new packaging module will handle/support binary distributions in Python 3.3. The previous thread (see http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2011-October/113956.html) included a lot of good information and discussion, but ultimately

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython (2.7): Add a button to the code examples in the doc to show/hide the prompts and

2011-10-31 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi Ezio, http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/18bbfed9aafa user:Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com summary: Add a button to the code examples in the doc to show/hide the prompts and output. Looks cool! I hope this will stop our use of two or three different styles for Python code

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython (3.2): I should be someone

2011-10-31 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/6f56e81da8f6 user:Florent Xicluna florent.xicl...@gmail.com summary: I should be someone Without quotation marks, that sounded like a philosophical commit :) Cheers ___ Python-Dev mailing list

[Python-Dev] Code cleanups in stable branches?

2011-10-31 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/72de2ac8bb4f branch: 2.7 user:Petri Lehtinen pe...@digip.org date:Sun Oct 30 13:55:02 2011 +0200 summary: Avoid unnecessary recursive function calls (closes #10519) http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/0694ebb5db99 branch: 2.7

[Python-Dev] Buildbots with rpm installed

2011-10-19 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, Do we have buildbots with the rpm programs installed? There is a patch I want to commit to fix a bug in distutils’ bdist_rpm; it was tested by the patch author, but I cannot verify it on my machine, so I would feel safer if our buildbot fleet would cover that. Thanks

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython (2.7): Fixes #10860: Handle empty port after port delimiter in httplib

2011-10-18 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, diff --git a/Misc/NEWS b/Misc/NEWS --- a/Misc/NEWS +++ b/Misc/NEWS @@ -54,6 +54,9 @@ the following case: sys.stdin.read() stopped with CTRL+d (end of file), raw_input() interrupted by CTRL+c. +- Issue #10860: httplib now correctly handles an empty port after port + delimiter

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: Add a comment explaining this heuristic.

2011-10-14 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi Antoine, changeset: 701b2e0e6f3f user:Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net date:Thu Oct 13 18:07:37 2011 +0200 summary: Add a comment explaining this heuristic. diff --git a/Objects/stringlib/fastsearch.h b/Objects/stringlib/fastsearch.h ---

Re: [Python-Dev] Packaging and binary distributions for Python 3.3

2011-10-13 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 09/10/2011 13:54, Paul Moore a écrit : On 9 October 2011 08:15, Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org wrote: Are there that many distributions with extension modules? sdists should work well even on Windows for pure Python projects. [...] Looking at my installations, I see: - database drivers

Re: [Python-Dev] Packaging and binary distributions for Python 3.3

2011-10-13 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi Philip, [...] In any case, it definitely wasn't the case that eggs or setuptools were rejected for 2.5; they were withdrawn for reasons that didn't have anything to do with the format itself. Thanks for clarifying. I nonetheless remember strong opposition to pulling the code unmodified,

Re: [Python-Dev] Packaging and binary distributions for Python 3.3

2011-10-13 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 09/10/2011 22:14, Paul Moore a écrit : On 9 October 2011 20:47, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote: PEP 376 provide the installation format for the 'future' -- http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0376/ [...] Now for a binary archive, that would get installed ala PEP 376, why not ? I'd

Re: [Python-Dev] Packaging and binary distributions for Python 3.3

2011-10-13 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi Nick, Le 11/10/2011 03:29, Nick Coghlan a écrit : On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: Ideally bdist_wininst and bdist_msi would also integrate with pysetup and with virtual environments, but I imagine that could be pretty hard to make work cleanly, as

Re: [Python-Dev] Packaging and binary distributions for Python 3.3

2011-10-13 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 13/10/2011 18:25, Éric Araujo a écrit : 2c. There's a question over a GUI install followed by a pysetup uninstall, which wouldn't remove the add/remove entry... I think we could require that a project installed with a clicky wininst_bdist has to be removed via the Add/Remove GUI

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3151 accepted

2011-10-12 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 12/10/2011 00:22, Barry Warsaw a écrit : As the BDFOP for PEP 3151, I hereby accept it for inclusion into Python 3.3. Congratulations Antoine, and thanks! Cheers ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Packaging and binary distributions for Python 3.3

2011-10-12 Thread Éric Araujo
Le 11/10/2011 09:59, Vinay Sajip a écrit : To me it does, and it would be useful to have some validation from the packaging folks. I’m trying to catch up, but the wi-fi here is horrible and there are so many messages! I’ll compose a reply for tomorrow. Regards

Re: [Python-Dev] Bring new features to older python versions

2011-10-09 Thread Éric Araujo
Hi, abc (2.6) I’m not sure this module is very useful without built-in support in isinstance and issubclass. collections.OrderedDict (2.7) unittest2 (2.7) Why not depend on the backports available on PyPI instead of re-backporting these in your project? My second doubt is about morality.

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