, changing between
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::unordered_map (and std::unordered_set), to
be implemented with a hash table. So, if you come from C++, it's easy to
mistake the meaning of an ordered dict.
This said, I don't have a specific suggestion, but I would stay with
lowercase-only for simmetry with defaultdict.
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This is a good writeup of the new features:
http://chestofbooks.com/computers/revision-control/subversion-svn/Merge-
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CPython will always use reference counting and thus have a simple and
clear GC criteria that can be exploited to simplify the code.
Believe this at your own
On 1/23/2009 4:27 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
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I miss to understand why many Python developers are so fierce in trying
to push the idea of cross-python compatibility (which is something that
does simply *not* exist in real
an installer today, but only a few people have the required knowledge to
really do releases on Windows.
So I believe that switching to an alternative that doesn't require full
understanding of MSI and msi.py would probably low the barrier and allow
more people to help you out.
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I'm trying to login into the tracker but it gives me invalid login
even after multiple password resets. I can't submit a proper bugreport
because... I can't login :)
Who can I privately contact to avoid spamming this list?
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requires a
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in the details: eg, it supports
case-insensitive filesystems).
I can't speak of bzr.
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reason for having a 2.1Mb python25.dll under Windows, which I would really
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for getitem(it, n) with n not in (0, -1)? I
share Raymond's feelings on this. And by the way, if you wonder, I have these
exact feelings as well for islice... :)
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to details (eg: does the set keep a strong or weak reference to
the callback? What if I need to do several *transactional* modifications in a
row, and thus would like my callback to be called only once at the end?).
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Part of the problem might be that we are using an old version of svn
(1.1) AFAIK. IIRC these operations were sped up in later versions.
Yes they were. If that's the case, then probably the server should be updated.
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code using super (and the suggestions he
proposes are specifically for making code using super less fragile to
refactorings).
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only a very
little chunk of memory which is shared, and Python makes it incredibly easy to
marshal data to a process (pickle or whatever). So in many cases there's
really little excuses for going mad with threads.
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a red herring, pushed by some SCM wonk. The
problem with patch submission has absolutely *nothing* to do with tools. Do we
have any evidence that new developers are getting frustrated because they
can't handle their patches well enough with the current tools?
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. It's a bit much to
summarize again now, but you should be able to find it in the archive
with this subject and a date of 2006-03-08.
Are you aware of this patch, which is still awaiting review?
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailatid=305470aid=1616125group_id=5470
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iterable positional
arguments (or keyword arguments). This matches tuple() (and other containers)
in behaviour, and makes it easier to substitute existing uses with named tuples.
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= chain.get(kind, ())
for handler in handlers:
func = handler.[[meth_name]]
result = func(*args)
if result is not None:
return result
Little heavy on the eye, but it seems that it's exactly what people want and
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required property is that objects which
compare equal have the same hash value; [...]
I personally consider *very* important that hash(5.0) == hash(5) (and that 5.0
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vulnerable to the spambots, I'd be happy to incorporate
them into Buildbot.
I'd throw a CAPTCHA in. There are even some written in Python.
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happen in the
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would check for FPU errors and raise an appropriate
exception if needed.
Is this suggestion still valid or people changed their mind meanwhile? Would
such a rewrite of fpectl (or a new module with a different name) be accepted?
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Hello,
wasn't there a project about the zipfile module in the Summer of Code? How did
it go?
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== /nobarepyc.py
Just import it before importing anything else (or in site.py if you prefer)
and you'll be done.
Ah, it doesn't work with zipimports...
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application is run with a specific
setting, you can use python -I -OO app.py.
And that's all.
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libraries... and rightfully so!).
Therefore, you have to obsolete old stuff if you want there to be
only One Obvious Way To Do It.
I'm totally in favor of obsoletion and removal of old cruft from the standard
library.
I'm totally against *not* having a standard library.
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exclude the setuptools stuff which is its
disputed maintenance/evolution).
subprocess has been introduced in Python 2.4.
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improvement comes from ceval.c only
(or maybe a few other selected files). Is it possible to somehow link the
PGO-optimized ceval.obj into the VS2003 project?
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incredibly good for my own path manipulation (much cleaner and concise than the
awful os.path+os+shutil+stat mix), and I have trouble understanding what is
*so* wrong with it.
You said it's an amalgam of unrelated functionality, but you didn't say what
exactly is unrelated for you.
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module level (and even less so
one requiring so much guess-work as this one).
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which modules to link in, I was
able to reduce of another 300K or so, but nothing really incredible. I would
also suggest -ffunction-sections in these cases, but you might already know
that.
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It was written for the current trunk, but hopefully applies
to most recent releases.
A way not to maintain this patch forever would be to devise a way to make
format syntax pluggable / scriptable. There have been previous discussions
on the GCC mailing lists.
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be valid use
cases for doing sys.path hackery, but I have yet to find them.
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Besides, it won't be allowed in Vista with the default user permissions.
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release is
not a problem.
Anyway, I'm not pushing for this specific policy (even if I like it): I'm just
suggesting Release Managers to more formally define what should and what should
not go in a point release.
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different semantically.
Then I'd ask why Python goes through hoops to make sure that hash(1.0) ==
hash(1), in the first place.
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type a number is, as long as he knows it's a number.
On the other hand, unicode and str are going to diverge more and more.
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And if this is allowed, I would like to find in CPython tutorials and
documentations a simple statement like: to implement the list and match its
requirements, CPython choose a simple array as underlying data structure.
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, and the fact
that Visual Studio Express 2005 is free forever, I would hope as well for
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or
something complex like that). Documenting that it's just a bare vector
(std::vector in C++) would be of great help.
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model is greatly
welcome. It's just that us mere mortals need to use eval() *now*, and that
recipe is good enough for many practice uses. If you can't win, you can at
least lose with dignity :)
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release the
GIL (or poll some kind of watchdog used to abort them, pretty much like they
normally poll CTRL+C), then the same trick used by the recipe could be used.
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an exception is caused, flags[exception] is incremented.
| (Whether or not the trap_enabler is set)
| Should be reset by user of Decimal instance.
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think it would hurt to have
it available as a __future__ import as well.
There's also the advantage that all of a
module's future assumptions could then be
documented uniformly in one place, i.e. in
a __future__ import at the top.
+1.
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of a bug in Python itself.
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the trunk at the same time, causing may
headaches to all the other developers. The work-plan is managed and updated
in the GCC Wiki (which is off-line right now, but I'll post a link as
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complex 4-stage release process, whose last phase (beginning at the point
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import unicode_literals would be
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in Python today.
Interesting. What if for-loops implicitally used my on the iteration
variable? That would solve the binding problem we were discussing and make
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which means that Python users *already* know that a variable is not really
looked up only at run-time, but there's something going on even at
function definition time. I don't see anything wrong if lambdas (or nested
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Yes but:
a = []
for i in range(10):
... a.append(lambda: i)
...
print [x() for x in a]
[9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9]
This subtle semantic of lambda is quite confusing, and still forces people to
use the i=i trick.
[Tim Peters]
So stay away from excruciating abuses
, clearer spelling for the
if condition (like: if not __imported__) would help as well.
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of this.
- (new) Defining a main() function is already the preferred style for
reusability, so __main__ would encourage the preferred style.
If you believe that these arguments collapse to I don't like it, then no,
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require a minor change to run under -m. Is
this
actually a problem, or is it a new feature?
This is where I wonder why the def __main__() PEP was rejected in the
first place. It would have solved this problem as well.
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available for download is an
important fact, and we might want to rediscuss the issue.
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be in the path.
As a last note, you are parsing ipconfig output assuming an English Windows
installation. My Italian Windows 2000 has localized output.
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way to
maintain the standard library, not an agreement to remove it, just because
we cannot find a way to maintain it properly. The fact that there hundreds
of unreviewed patches to the standard library made by wannabe contributors
is a blatant sign that something *can* be improved.
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is written in a combination of bash and perl, with
richful usage of textuils, coreutils and whatnot. It's basically unportable
by design to native Windows. I guess the only sane approach is to use it under
Cygwin. IMO this is a big no-go for real Windows developers.
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repository, you can use svnmerge-like features to find out
modifications and whatnot).
Maintaining an external repository seems like a larger effort, and probably not
worth it.
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, while [/tags/r242, NNN]
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with this as the answer. Hope you
don't mind... It should show up on
http://www.python.org/dev/faq/
as question 3.23 in a few minutes.
Sure, I'm glad to help. You may want to revise it a little since it wasn't
meant to be read out of the context...
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functionality. I know I have been implementing
something similar very often. Since when do we need a full PEP process,
nitpicking the small details to death, just to add a simple function?
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shlex.split(), and follows the semantic of a
standard UNIX shell, including escaping and other things.
import shlex
shlex.split(rHey I\'m a bad guy for you)
['Hey', I'm, 'a', 'bad guy', 'for', 'you']
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myself had to parse.
I believe the standard library already covers common usage. There will surely
be cases where a custom lexer/splitetr will have to be written, but that's life
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or not, and so does the simple,
clear, mechanical thing: it splits on the right-most dot.
And even if they know this limitation (if you want to call it so, I call it
clear, consistent behaviour which applies to a not-always-consistently-used
convention), the function is still useful.
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be great if the patches provided here were reviewed and
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with binary protocols. I didn't see a good
reason why you shouldn't extend ctypes so to provide features that it is
currently missing. It looks like it could be easily extended to do so.
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or \
elementtree.ElementTree or lxml.etree as ET
Astonishingly cute. +1.
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guess my db will shadow the stdlib one, making it impossible to access. An
unique prefix for stdlib would solve this.
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, I'll shut up as I see
there is a committee for this decision.
The integration between tickets/svn/wiki in Trac is cute though, even if,
after a while, you'd really want that mailman parsed that syntax as well
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about the old
semantic, it just won't be the one used by Python 3.0. While it's nice to have
an option to help forward porting, I don't think we should force it.
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as expected. At *worse*, it would be catching too much, like
SystemExit or GeneratorExit, which are still pretty uncommon exception.
OTOH, I also understand that people have been told that deriving from Exception
is the right thing to do forever now.
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use it, and if you really really need it, it's spelled exceptions.Exception.
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is just that, and people actually meant Error.
In a way, the current PEP352 is superior here because it makes harder to do the
bad thing by giving it a complex name (BaseException).
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Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On bzip2, I wonder whether
2.4 should also update to the newer library;
+1, I seem to remember of exploits with corrupted data fed to the bz2
decompressor.
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extension modules from python.dll out into their own .pyd files
where they'd belong (were not for this technical annoyance of being forced
to use the settings dialog in MSVC).
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would be committed in SVN under PCbuild, so to have a
minimal impact on developer habits.
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