Re: [Python-Dev] Python for android - successfully cross-compiled without patches

Wow ! Awesome ! What specific ISA version(s) and/or device(s) have you tried ? On 12/15/15, Vitaly Murashev wrote: > A lot of talks and patches around how to cross-compile python for andriod > ... > > Dear python-dev@, > I just want to say thanks to all of you for the

Re: [Python-Dev] Automated testing of patches from bugs.python.org

On 5/19/15, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 5/19/2015 11:02 AM, Kushal Das wrote: Hi, Hi ! I'm not very familiar with python-dev development workflows . Nonetheless I just wanted to mention something that proved to be useful for me in the past . With the help of CentOS project I am

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 479 and asyncio

On 11/28/14, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: [...] @Olemis: You never showed examples of how your code would be used, so it's hard to understand what you're trying to do and how PEP 479 affects you. The intention is not to restart the debate . PEP is approved , it's done ... but ...

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 479 and asyncio

off-topic , not about asyncio but related to the PEP and other things been discussed in this thread On 11/28/14, Victor Stinner victor.stin...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-11-28 3:49 GMT+01:00 Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com: [...] So yes, it may help to have a new specialized exception, even if it

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 479 and asyncio

correction ... On 11/28/14, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote: try: ... except RuntimeError: return ... should be {{{#!py # inside generator function body try: ... except StopIteration: return }}} [...] -- Regards, Olemis - @olemislc Apache(tm) Bloodhound contributor

Re: [Python-Dev] Please reconsider PEP 479.

On 11/23/14, Mark Shannon m...@hotpy.org wrote: [...] You are grouping next() and it.__next__() together, but they are different. I think we agree that the __next__() method is part of the iterator protocol and should raise StopIteration. There is no fundamental reason why next(), the

Re: [Python-Dev] Reduce memory footprint of Python

On 10/6/13, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org wrote: 2013/10/6 Victor Stinner victor.stin...@gmail.com: Hi, :) [...] unittest doesn't look to release memory (the TestCase class) after the execution of a test. Is it important to optimize unittests for memory usage? AFAICT , test

[Python-Dev] Fwd: Reduce memory footprint of Python

forwarding to the list , sorry ... -- Forwarded message -- From: Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 17:09:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] Reduce memory footprint of Python To: Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org On 10/6/13, Benjamin Peterson benja

Re: [Python-Dev] doctest and pickle

On 6/8/13, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote: On 06/08/2013 03:09 AM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: 08.06.13 11:47, Ethan Furman написав(ла): [...] Fair point. But I suppose that if the end-user is running a doc test, it is not too much to require that the other tests be installed as well.

Re: [Python-Dev] doctest and pickle

On 6/7/13, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote: Is there a doctest mailing list? I couldn't find it. JFTR, Testing-in-Python (TiP) ML should be the right target for general purpose questions about testing, considering docs even for unittest and doctest

Re: [Python-Dev] Purpose of Doctests [Was: Best practices for Enum]

On 5/20/13, Mark Janssen dreamingforw...@gmail.com wrote: * Doctests practically beg you to write your code first and then copy and paste terminal sessions - they're the enemy of TDD Of course , not , all the opposite . If the approach is understood correctly then the first thing test author

Re: [Python-Dev] Purpose of Doctests [Was: Best practices for Enum]

Hi ! :) I'll be replying some individual messages in this thread in spite of putting my replies in the right context . Sorry if I repeat something , or this makes the thread hard to read . Indeed , IMHO this is a subject suitable to discuss in TiP ML . On 5/19/13, Gregory P. Smith

Re: [Python-Dev] Purpose of Doctests [Was: Best practices for Enum]

-- Forwarded message -- From: Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 11:33:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] Purpose of Doctests [Was: Best practices for Enum] To: Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net On 5/20/13, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: On Sat, 18

Re: [Python-Dev] Purpose of Doctests [Was: Best practices for Enum]

On 5/19/13, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote: On 20/05/13 09:27, Gregory P. Smith wrote: On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 11:41 PM, Raymond Hettinger raymond.hettin...@gmail.com wrote: On May 14, 2013, at 9:39 AM, Gregory P. Smith g...@krypto.org wrote: Bad: doctests. I'm hoping that

Re: [Python-Dev] Purpose of Doctests [Was: Best practices for Enum]

Hi ! ... sorry , I could not avoid to reply this message ... On 5/20/13, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 20 May 2013, at 18:26, Mark Janssen dreamingforw...@gmail.com wrote: I'm hoping that core developers don't get caught-up in the doctests are bad meme. Instead, we

Re: [Python-Dev] Purpose of Doctests [Was: Best practices for Enum]

On 5/20/13, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote: [...] On 5/20/13, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: [...] * Tool support for editing within doctests is *generally* worse this is true , let's do it ! [...] * Typing and ... all the time is really annoying ... I have faith

Re: [Python-Dev] [Announcement] New mailing list for code quality tools including Flake8, Pyflakes and Pep8

On 4/3/13, Charles-François Natali cf.nat...@gmail.com wrote: Are you planning to cover the code quality of the interpreter itself too? I've been recently reading through the cert.org secure coding practice recommendations and was wondering if there has is any ongoing effort to perform static

Re: [Python-Dev] Change to logging Formatters: support for alternative format styles

On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Olemis Lang olemis at gmail.com writes: On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Barry Warsaw barry at python.org wrote: I haven't played with it yet, but do you think it makes sense to add a 'style' keyword argument

Re: [Python-Dev] Change to logging Formatters: support for alternative format styles

On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 6:15 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:28 AM, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Comments welcome. Assuming there are no strong objections asking for

Re: [Python-Dev] Change to logging Formatters: support for alternative format styles

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Oct 25, 2010, at 02:28 PM, Vinay Sajip wrote: I've just checked in a change to logging into the py3k branch (r85835), including doc changes and tests, for providing slightly more flexibility in alternative format styles

Re: [Python-Dev] Alias for distutils.file_util.write_file in e.g. shutils

On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote: a similar function in    e.g. shutils module ? A: Yes :) Basically, anything useful in distutils.file_util and distutils.dir_util can maove in Shutil. That's why I added make_archive (and unpack_archive) Please add

[Python-Dev] Alias for distutils.file_util.write_file in e.g. shutils

Hello ! Often I have the contents to be written in a file at a given path that I know as well. I recently tried to find a function in stdlib to do that and to my surprise this is what I found : - Such function exists - It's `distutils.file_util.write_file` IMO the last place where people'd

Re: [Python-Dev] At least one package management tool for 2.7

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:23 AM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote: Sure. Package management tool should have an ability to update itself when required regardless of Python release. For example:: python.exe -m easy_install setuptools This should be:    python -m easy_install -U

Re: [Python-Dev] [Distutils] At least one package management tool for 2.7

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Darren Dale dsdal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote: The open question is: do we want to include a full installer that takes care of installing / removing dependencies as well ? I think not. Pip

Re: [Python-Dev] setUpClass and setUpModule in unittest

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 11/02/2010 12:30, Nick Coghlan wrote: Michael Foord wrote: I'm not sure what response I expect from this email, and neither option will be implemented without further discussion - possibly at the PyCon

Re: [Python-Dev] setUpClass and setUpModule in unittest

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 11/02/2010 12:30, Nick Coghlan wrote: Michael Foord wrote: I'm not sure what response I expect from this email, and neither option

Re: [Python-Dev] setUpClass and setUpModule in unittest

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 11/02/2010 12:30, Nick Coghlan wrote: Michael Foord wrote: I'm

Re: [Python-Dev] setUpClass and setUpModule in unittest

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:10 AM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 02:41 pm, ole...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 11/02/2010 12:30, Nick Coghlan wrote: Michael Foord wrote: I'm not sure what response I expect from

Re: [Python-Dev] setUpClass and setUpModule in unittest

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Olemis Lang wrote: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk writes: I've used unittest

Re: [Python-Dev] setUpClass and setUpModule in unittest

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: The next 'big' change to unittest will (may?) be the introduction of class and module level setUp and tearDown. This was discussed on

Re: [Python-Dev] setUpClass and setUpModule in unittest

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Holger Krekel holger.kre...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk writes: The next 'big' change to unittest will (may?) be the introduction of class and module

Re: [Python-Dev] setUpClass and setUpModule in unittest

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 6:15 PM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 10:42 pm, fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 09/02/2010 21:57, Ben Finney wrote: Michael Foordfuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk  writes: The next 'big' change to unittest will (may?) be the introduction of class and module level

Re: [Python-Dev] setUpClass and setUpModule in unittest

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk writes: I've used unittest for long running functional and integration tests (in both desktop and web applications). The infrastructure it provides is great for this. Don't get

Re: [Python-Dev] unittest: shortDescription, _TextTestResult and other issues

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 6:11 AM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 10/02/2010 01:07, Ben Finney wrote: Michael Foordfuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk  writes: On 09/02/2010 21:50, Ben Finney wrote: I understood the point of ‘TestCase.shortDescription’, and indeed the point of that

Re: [Python-Dev] setUpClass and setUpModule in unittest

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:56 PM, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:45:41 -0500, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Holger Krekel holger.kre...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt

Re: [Python-Dev] setUpClass and setUpModule in unittest

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: Hello all, Several authors of other Python testing frameworks spoke up *against* them, but several *users* of test frameworks spoke up in favour of them. ;-) +1 for having something like that included in

Re: [Python-Dev] setUpClass and setUpModule in unittest

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: Hello all, Several authors of other Python testing frameworks spoke up *against* them, but several *users* of test frameworks spoke up

Re: [Python-Dev] setUpClass and setUpModule in unittest

Sorry. I had not finished the previous message On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: Hello all, Several authors

Re: [Python-Dev] setUpClass and setUpModule in unittest

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Le Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:42:50 +, Michael Foord a écrit : The next 'big' change to unittest will (may?) be the introduction of class and module level setUp and tearDown. This was discussed on Python-ideas and Guido

Re: [Python-Dev] setUpClass and setUpModule in unittest

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 09/02/2010 17:57, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Le Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:42:50 +, Michael Foord a écrit : The next 'big' change to unittest will (may?) be the introduction of class and module level setUp and

Re: [Python-Dev] setUpClass and setUpModule in unittest

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Brian Curtin brian.cur...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:29, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: I'm pretty sure I can introduce setUpClass and setUpModule without

Re: [Python-Dev] unittest: shortDescription, _TextTestResult and other issues

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Michael Foord mich...@voidspace.org.uk writes: It seems to me that the same effect (always reporting test name) can be achieved in _TextTestResult.getDescription(). I propose to revert the change to

Re: [Python-Dev] setUpClass and setUpModule in unittest

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk writes: The next 'big' change to unittest will (may?) be the introduction of class and module level setUp and tearDown. This was discussed on Python-ideas and Guido supported

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 391 - Please Vote!

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 4:23 AM, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: In October 2009 I created PEP 391 to propose a new method of configuring logging using dictionaries:  http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0391/ In November 2009 I posted to this list that the PEP was ready for

Re: [Python-Dev] Improve open() to support reading file starting with an unicode BOM

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Victor Stinner victor.stin...@haypocalc.com wrote: Hi, Builtin open() function is unable to open an UTF-16/32 file starting with a BOM if the encoding is not specified (raise an unicode error). For an UTF-8 file starting with a BOM, read()/readline() returns

Re: [Python-Dev] Improve open() to support reading file starting with an unicode BOM

Probably one part of this is OT , but I think it could complement the discussion ;o) On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 3:44 PM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: Olemis Lang wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Victor Stinner victor.stin...@haypocalc.com wrote: Hi, Builtin open() function

Re: [Python-Dev] Question over splitting unittest into a package

On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Martin (gzlist) gzl...@googlemail.com wrote: Thanks for the quick response. On 30/12/2009, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org wrote: but maybe a discussion could start about a new

Re: [Python-Dev] Question over splitting unittest into a package

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Martin (gzlist) gzl...@googlemail.com wrote: Thanks for the quick response. On 30/12/2009, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org wrote: When I made that change, I didn't know that the __unittest hack was being used elsewhere outside of unittest, so I felt

Re: [Python-Dev] Question over splitting unittest into a package

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org wrote: 2009/12/30 Martin (gzlist) gzl...@googlemail.com: Hi Benjamin, Hi! In rev 74094 of Python, you split the unittest module up, +1 could you point me at any bug entries or discussion over this revision so I can

[Python-Dev] Command line options for features in stdlib WAS: Pronouncement on PEP 389: argparse?

/me starting a new thread because this goes beyond argparse itself On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:34 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Steven Bethard steven.bethard at gmail.com writes: Because people are continuing this discussion, I'll say again that argparse already supports this:

Re: [Python-Dev] Pronouncement on PEP 389: argparse?

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Steven Bethard steven.beth...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Ian Bicking i...@colorstudy.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Steven Bethard steven.beth...@gmail.com wrote: So there wasn't really any more feedback on the last post of

Re: [Python-Dev] Pronouncement on PEP 389: argparse?

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 14/12/2009 19:04, Ian Bicking wrote: [snip...] Another thing I just noticed is that argparse using -v for version where optparse does not (it only adds --version); most of my scripts that use -v to mean

Re: [Python-Dev] Pronouncement on PEP 389: argparse?

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Steven Bethard steven.beth...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote: I thought that one of the following approaches would be considered :  - let optparse remain in stdlib (as is or not ...)  - re-implement

Re: [Python-Dev] Pronouncement on PEP 389: argparse?

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: Steven Bethard wrote: On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote: I thought that one of the following approaches would be considered :  1 - let optparse remain in stdlib (as is or not ...)  2

Re: [Python-Dev] Unittest/doctest formatting differences in 2.7a1?

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 09/12/2009 16:27, Lennart Regebro wrote: I just ran the tests for zope.testing on Python 2.7, and the results are not good. It seems that there are multiple minor difference in the output formatting of the

Re: [Python-Dev] Unittest/doctest formatting differences in 2.7a1?

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 09/12/2009 16:27, Lennart Regebro wrote: I just ran the tests for zope.testing on Python 2.7, and the results are not good. It seems

Re: [Python-Dev] Unittest/doctest formatting differences in 2.7a1?

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Lennart Regebro lrege...@jarn.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 17:43, Fred Drake fdr...@acm.org wrote: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org wrote: Evolving the tests to avoid depending on these sorts of implementation

Re: [Python-Dev] Unittest/doctest formatting differences in 2.7a1?

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Ian Bicking i...@colorstudy.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Lennart Regebro lrege...@jarn.com wrote: Evolving the tests to avoid depending on these sorts of implementation details is reasonable, IMO, and cuold even be considered a bugfix by the

Re: [Python-Dev] PyPI comments and ratings, *really*?

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote: On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:44:32 pm Ludvig Ericson wrote: Why are there comments on PyPI? Moreso, why are there comments which I cannot control as a package author on my very own packages? That's just absurd. No, what's

Re: [Python-Dev] PyPI comments and ratings, *really*?

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Nov 12, 2009, at 8:06 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: Frankly, I agree with him. As implemented, I *and others* think this is broken. I've taken the stance

Re: [Python-Dev] PyPI comments and ratings, *really*?

Intention = precision = for a better PyPI On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: On Nov 12, 2009, at 8:06 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: Frankly, I agree with him. As

Re: [Python-Dev] PyPI comments and ratings, *really*?

Intention = personal opinion = for a better PyPI On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: I'd not trust a package

Re: [Python-Dev] A new way to configure logging

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Olemis Lang olemis at gmail.com writes: This kind of problems is similar to the one mentioned in another thread about modifying config options after

Re: [Python-Dev] [TIP] Possible language summit topic: buildbots

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 9:13 AM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 12:48 pm, c...@msu.edu wrote: [snip] The most *exciting* part of pony-build, apart from the always-riveting spectacle of titus rediscovering problems that buildbot solved 5 years ago, is the loose coupling of recording

Re: [Python-Dev] [TIP] Possible language summit topic: buildbots

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:45 AM, C. Titus Brown c...@msu.edu wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:42:30AM -0500, Olemis Lang wrote: On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 9:13 AM,  exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 12:48 pm, c...@msu.edu wrote: [snip] The most *exciting* part of pony-build, apart

[Python-Dev] Where is `ctypes.com` ?

Hello ! Recently I found a code snippet [1]_ illustrating integration between Python and COM technology in Win32 systems. I tried to reproduce it and I can't import module `ctypes.com`. Q: - Is it (`ctypes.com`) distributed with stdlib ? If that's true then I'm affraid that those py files

Re: [Python-Dev] Where is `ctypes.com` ?

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Thomas Heller thel...@ctypes.org wrote: Olemis Lang schrieb: Hello ! Recently I found a code snippet [1]_ illustrating integration between Python and COM technology in Win32 systems. I tried to reproduce it and I can't import module `ctypes.com`. First

Re: [Python-Dev] A new way to configure logging

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:44 AM, Glenn Linderman v+pyt...@g.nevcal.com wrote: On approximately 10/7/2009 10:45 PM, came the following characters from the keyboard of Vinay Sajip: Glenn Linderman v+python at g.nevcal.com writes: But DictConfigurator the name seems misleading... like you are

Re: [Python-Dev] A new way to configure logging

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: At present, configuration of Python's logging package can be done in one of two ways: 1. Create a ConfigParser-readable configuration file and use logging.config.fileConfig() to read and implement the configuration

Re: [Python-Dev] A new way to configure logging

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Olemis Lang olemis at gmail.com writes: This kind of problems is similar to the one mentioned in another thread about modifying config options after executing commands. In that case I mentioned that the same dict-like

Re: [Python-Dev] A new way to configure logging

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Paul Rudin p...@rudin.co.uk wrote: Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk writes: What's the general feeling here about this proposal? All comments and suggestions will be gratefully received. How about the global logging configuration being available as an

Re: [Python-Dev] a new setuptools release?

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 11:03 AM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: At 02:45 PM 10/6/2009 +0100, Chris Withers wrote: To put this into a way that makes sense to me: I'm volunteering to keep distribute 0.6 and

Re: [Python-Dev] eggs now mandatory for pypi?

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Jens W. Klein j...@bluedynamics.com wrote: Am Montag, den 05.10.2009, 13:07 +0200 schrieb Christian Heimes: Fredrik Lundh wrote: Oh, it was just yet another Zope developer behaving like an ass.  Why am I not surprised? On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:43 AM,

Re: [Python-Dev] eggs now mandatory for pypi?

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: [...] User ratings and comments are the future for app store style sites such as PyPI, and spam unfortunately comes with the terrain. There are

Re: [Python-Dev] eggs now mandatory for pypi?

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Fred Drake fdr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: When it comes to comments and recommendations for selecting software packages, developers *are* the end users :) Yes, most certainly.  But developers as

Re: [Python-Dev] eggs now mandatory for pypi?

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Fred Drake fdr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: When it comes to comments and recommendations for selecting software packages

Re: [Python-Dev] sharing stdlib across python implementations

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk wrote: Frank Wierzbicki wrote: Talk has started up again on the stdlib-sig list about finding a core stdlib + tests that can be shared by all implementations, potentially living apart from CPython. [...] if the stdlib

Re: [Python-Dev] sharing stdlib across python implementations

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Chris Withers chris at simplistix.co.uk writes: I'm on on stdlib-sig and I'm afraid I don't have the bandwidth to start on it, but I'd just like to throw in (yet again) that it would be great if the stdlib was actually

Re: [Python-Dev] sharing stdlib across python implementations

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: Chris Withers chris at simplistix.co.uk writes: [...] For instance, I have started something like that has been dome by the FLiOOPS  project [1

Re: [Python-Dev] Application configuration (was: PEP 389: argparse)

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Oleg Broytman p...@phd.pp.ru wrote: On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 09:23:22AM -0600, m h wrote: Does anyone else have interest in such functionality?  Is it outside the realm of this PEP?   It is outside the scope of this particular PEP, but it is certainly an

[Python-Dev] OT : Cannot login to PyPI using MyOpenId

I realized that PyPI accepts MyOpenId and tried to login to the site. In the process I get this message : {{{ OpenID provider did not provide your email address }}} I mean, is it mandatory to provide the e-mail address in order to bind a user to an OpenId ? I'm curious : I'd like to know if

Re: [Python-Dev] Support for Python/Windows

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Martin v. Löwismar...@v.loewis.de wrote: My question is the following : - What are the implications for Py users ? So I stick with what you said is your question: What are the implications for Py users ? To this, the answer is mostly: none at all. There may

Re: [Python-Dev] Support for Python/Windows

Hi ! On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Steve Holdenst...@holdenweb.com wrote: Christian Heimes wrote: Steve Holden wrote: Devs: If you are interested in offering better Windows support then please read the email below [...] MSDN subscriptions include copies of most Microsoft products

Re: [Python-Dev] Package Management - thoughts from the peanut gallery

2009/4/3 Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com: Guys, The tasks discussed so far are: - version definition (http://wiki.python.org/moin/DistutilsVersionFight) - egg.info standardification (PEP 376) - metadata enhancement (rewrite PEP 345) - static metadata definition work  (*) Looks fine ...

Re: [Python-Dev] Package Management - thoughts from the peanut gallery

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote: BTW ... I see nothing about removing dist_* commands from distutils ... Q: Am I wrong or it seems they will remain in stdlib ? This is roughly what

[Python-Dev] Package Management - thoughts from the peanut gallery

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk wrote: Tarek Ziadé wrote: - PyPI mirroring (PEP 381) I don't see why PyPI isn't just ported to GAE with an S3 data storage bit and be done with it... Offline mirrors for people behind firewalls already have solutions out

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools has divided the Python community

On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Mar 27, 2009, at 2:27 PM, Eric Smith wrote: Olemis Lang wrote: I also think the feature should go. If you want functionality that's so difficult to provide when you install as a zip file, the answer is not to make

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools has divided the Python community

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Mar 26, 2009, at 3:07 PM, Olemis Lang wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Mar 26, 2009, at 2:43 PM, Olemis Lang wrote: One thing that /would/ be helpful though is the ability

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools has divided the Python community

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/3/26 Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org: Let me clarify my position: I just want the functionality (preferably in the stdlib); I don't really care how it's spelled (except please not pkg_resource.whatever() :). Agreed.

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools has divided the Python community

On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 7:49 AM, M.-A. Lemburg m...@egenix.com wrote: On 2009-03-27 04:19, Guido van Rossum wrote: - keep distutils, but start deprecating certain higher-level functionality in it (e.g. bdist_rpm) - don't try to provide higher-level functionality in the stdlib, but instead let

[Python-Dev] setuptools has divided the Python community

On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 5:22 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/3/27 Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org: - keep distutils, but start deprecating certain higher-level functionality in it (e.g. bdist_rpm) - don't try to provide higher-level functionality in the stdlib, but instead

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools has divided the Python community

On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Eric Smith e...@trueblade.com wrote: M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 2009-03-27 17:07, P.J. Eby wrote: At 11:37 PM 3/26/2009 -0500, Eric Smith wrote: P.J. Eby wrote: As someone else suggested, moving some of the functionality to PEP 302 interfaces would also help.  

[Python-Dev] setuptools has divided the Python community

On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Eric Smith e...@trueblade.com wrote: Olemis Lang wrote: I also think the feature should go. If you want functionality that's so difficult to provide when you install as a zip file, the answer is not to make things more complex, but to not install as zip files

[Python-Dev] setuptools has divided the Python community

On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Fred Drake fdr...@acm.org wrote: On Mar 27, 2009, at 3:56 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: One of the motivations for deprecating this (and for using this specific example) was that Matthias Klose, the Python packager for Debian, said he never uses bdist_rpm.

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools has divided the Python community

2009/3/25 Tennessee Leeuwenburg tleeuwenb...@gmail.com: I would suggest there may be three use cases for Python installation tools. Bonus -- I'm not a web developer! :) Case One: Developer wishing to install additional functionality into the system Python interpreter forever Case Two:

[Python-Dev] Py plugins architecture - Trac [WAS:] setuptools has divided the Python community

On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Mar 25, 2009, at 11:35 AM, Olemis Lang wrote: Yes you're right, Trac requires .egg files for local plugins installs (... in /plugins folder ;) so that not all environments but only one be able to use the plugin

[Python-Dev] Fwd: setuptools has divided the Python community

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: 2009/3/26 Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com: Guido van Rossum wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote: I think Distutils (and therefore Setuptools) should provide some APIs to

[Python-Dev] setuptools has divided the Python community

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 26, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: One thing that /would/ be helpful though is the ability to list all the resources under a specific package path.  This is

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools has divided the Python community

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Barry Warsaw wrote: On Mar 25, 2009, at 6:06 PM, Tennessee Leeuwenburg wrote: For case one, where I want to install additional functionality into my system Python

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools has divided the Python community

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Olemis Lang ole...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Barry Warsaw wrote: On Mar 25, 2009, at 6:06 PM, Tennessee Leeuwenburg wrote: For case one, where I

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