Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I don't disagree, I just don't want to volunteer projects for something they don't want. Right, there must be clear indication that they are willing to accept the work when it's done. Note also that some of the largest Python-based projects, Django, I have a working port of Django to Py3k,

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you but I didn't mean to say that this version should work on both python 2.x and python 3.x. Ideally, there would be a PIL distribution for 2.x only and another one for 3.x only. I don't know what Fredrik thinks, but I would not consider this ideal. Ideally, there

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-22 Thread C. Titus Brown
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 03:18:00PM -0700, average wrote: - Summer of Code is ramping up. ?Every year the common complaint is that not - enough Python core projects get proposed by students, and of course a big - reason for that is often the only encouragement we offer prospective - students is

[Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-20 Thread average
Summer of Code is ramping up.  Every year the common complaint is that not enough Python core projects get proposed by students, and of course a big reason for that is often the only encouragement we offer prospective students is a link to the PEP index. The challenge is finding project

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-19 Thread Raymond Hettinger
Another thought: it would be nice is pydoc were built-out with an alternate html generator that emitted clean, simple html with the appropriate div/span tags so that CSS can be used to control formatting. Right now, all of the formatting and color coding is in-line. If you don't like the

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-19 Thread Steve Holden
Raymond Hettinger wrote: Another thought: it would be nice is pydoc were built-out with an alternate html generator that emitted clean, simple html with the appropriate div/span tags so that CSS can be used to control formatting. Right now, all of the formatting and color coding is in-line.

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-19 Thread Arc Riley
That makes it a much better candidate for GHOP that SoC, which requires projects with a little more meat on them. Yes it does. Though many organizations have taken to funding their own GHOPs. Perhaps this year PSF can use the SoC funds ($500/student) to host a bounty-sprint program much like

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-19 Thread Steve Holden
Arc Riley wrote: That makes it a much better candidate for GHOP that SoC, which requires projects with a little more meat on them. Yes it does. Though many organizations have taken to funding their own GHOPs. Perhaps this year PSF can use the SoC funds ($500/student) to host

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-19 Thread Arc Riley
If it's organized in time we could scoop up some of the SoC applicants who we'll like to have but we won't have slots for Honestly I like the idea of competitions. Better publicity, the greater prizes will draw out some better minds from the community, and competitions based on quality will help

[Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread Arc Riley
Hey guys/gals Summer of Code is ramping up. Every year the common complaint is that not enough Python core projects get proposed by students, and of course a big reason for that is often the only encouragement we offer prospective students is a link to the PEP index. So let's make this year

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread R. David Murray
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 at 16:56, Arc Riley wrote: Summer of Code is ramping up. Every year the common complaint is that not enough Python core projects get proposed by students, and of course a big reason for that is often the only encouragement we offer prospective students is a link to the PEP

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2009/3/18 Arc Riley arcri...@gmail.com: Hey guys/gals Thanks for organizing this! Summer of Code is ramping up.  Every year the common complaint is that not enough Python core projects get proposed by students, and of course a big reason for that is often the only encouragement we offer

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Hello Arc, Arc Riley arcriley at gmail.com writes: I've seen and heard that a lot of work is still needed on http://svn.python.org /view/python/trunk both during the 3.1 release cycle, optimization possible all over the place. Well, first, it's too late for 3.1, which will (should) be out

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread Terry Reedy
R. David Murray wrote: How about improving 2to3? Seems like that could be an interesting, challenging, useful, and rewarding project :). Or the much requested 3to2 using the same tools. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Terry Reedy tjreedy at udel.edu writes: Or the much requested 3to2 using the same tools. I didn't know there was such a request. I thought it was only a PyPy April fool. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread Arc Riley
I've heard from four people that improving 2to3 would be a great project (plus many more suggesting port X to Python 3 as project ideas). Note the SoC timeline; http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline So maybe it won't work for 3.1, but perhaps 3.1.1? 3.2? We

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2009/3/18 Arc Riley arcri...@gmail.com: I've heard from four people that improving 2to3 would be a great project (plus many more suggesting port X to Python 3 as project ideas). Ok. That's excellent. Note the SoC timeline;

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread Arc Riley
Note the SoC timeline; http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline So maybe it won't work for 3.1, but perhaps 3.1.1? 3.2? Well, there won't be any major changes in 3.1.1, but 3.2 is definitely open. Cool, these are of course details you can work out

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2009/3/18 Arc Riley arcri...@gmail.com: Note the SoC timeline; http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline So maybe it won't work for 3.1, but perhaps 3.1.1? 3.2? Well, there won't be any major changes in 3.1.1, but 3.2 is definitely open. Cool, these

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread C. Titus Brown
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 09:24:25PM +, Antoine Pitrou wrote: - Rather than performance, I think some more interesting areas would be related to - some of the standard library modules. For instance, the unittest module could - welcome some new features (test discovery, support for skipped

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
While working on the core is admirable, I think gsoc would provide an opportunity to port important Python libraries to 3.x. It's important to remember that doing ports helps the core immensely by uncovering 2to3 and py3k bugs. Hello. It's a very noble task to have important python

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread Brett Cannon
2009/3/18 Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu R. David Murray wrote: How about improving 2to3? Seems like that could be an interesting, challenging, useful, and rewarding project :). Or the much requested 3to2 using the same tools. I'm not in a position to mentor this, but I too think this

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread Arc Riley
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Maciej Fijalkowski fij...@gmail.comwrote: I think we need to ask first guys who spend their live maintaining libraries instead of just proposing let's make some poor student port it to py3k, but I might be just wrong, I don't know. I agree. Part of Summer of

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread Brett Cannon
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 14:56, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.orgwrote: 2009/3/18 Arc Riley arcri...@gmail.com: Note the SoC timeline; http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline So maybe it won't work for 3.1, but perhaps 3.1.1? 3.2? Well,

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread Brett Cannon
2009/3/18 Arc Riley arcri...@gmail.com On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Maciej Fijalkowski fij...@gmail.comwrote: I think we need to ask first guys who spend their live maintaining libraries instead of just proposing let's make some poor student port it to py3k, but I might be just wrong, I

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread Arc Riley
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: I would double-check Benjamin can do this since I don't think he will be 18 by the time GSoC starts. The FAQ at http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#mentor_eligibilityseems to suggest it

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread Daniel Fetchinson
Hey guys/gals Summer of Code is ramping up. Every year the common complaint is that not enough Python core projects get proposed by students, and of course a big reason for that is often the only encouragement we offer prospective students is a link to the PEP index. So let's make this

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread Raymond Hettinger
As a project maintainer I wouldn't want an intern being the most familiar person with our Py3 migration, I'd rather students stick with new features or optimization and coordinate the migration process as a group-wide effort. Without help, it is going to take a long time to get many

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread Arc Riley
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Raymond Hettinger pyt...@rcn.com wrote: Without help, it is going to take a long time to get many packages converted to 3.x. I don't disagree, I just don't want to volunteer projects for something they don't want. Unless I misunderstand the situation, PIL

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread Guilherme Polo
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Daniel Fetchinson fetchin...@googlemail.com wrote: Hey guys/gals Summer of Code is ramping up.  Every year the common complaint is that not enough Python core projects get proposed by students, and of course a big reason for that is often the only

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread Nick Coghlan
C. Titus Brown wrote: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 09:24:25PM +, Antoine Pitrou wrote: - Rather than performance, I think some more interesting areas would be related to - some of the standard library modules. For instance, the unittest module could - welcome some new features (test

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread Benjamin Peterson
2009/3/18 Arc Riley arcri...@gmail.com: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: I would double-check Benjamin can do this since I don't think he will be 18 by the time GSoC starts. The FAQ at

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread Steve Holden
Arc Riley wrote: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Maciej Fijalkowski fij...@gmail.com mailto:fij...@gmail.com wrote: I think we need to ask first guys who spend their live maintaining libraries instead of just proposing let's make some poor student port it to py3k, but I might

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread Steve Holden
Arc Riley wrote: I've heard from four people that improving 2to3 would be a great project (plus many more suggesting port X to Python 3 as project ideas). Note the SoC timeline; http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline So maybe it won't work for 3.1, but

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread Daniel (ajax) Diniz
Arc Riley wrote: The process is as follows; we're compiling ideas for http://wiki.python.org/moin/SummerOfCode/2009 and getting mentors signed up at http://socghop.appspot.com/ Any chance that we can keep http://wiki.python.org/moin/SummerOfCode/2009 light on markup? I simply can't add a 'tidy

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread Arc Riley
Feel free to email wi...@bluesock.org or me with your ideas if the markup is difficult to work with. We've been on wiki duty all afternoon. description, any specific skills they'll need (special library, compiler theory, etc), what mentor should they talk to if they're interested. The markup

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread Daniel Fetchinson
Summer of Code is ramping up. Every year the common complaint is that not enough Python core projects get proposed by students, and of course a big reason for that is often the only encouragement we offer prospective students is a link to the PEP index. So let's make this year different.

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread Guilherme Polo
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Daniel Fetchinson fetchin...@googlemail.com wrote: Summer of Code is ramping up.  Every year the common complaint is that not enough Python core projects get proposed by students, and of course a big reason for that is often the only encouragement we offer

Re: [Python-Dev] Core projects for Summer of Code

2009-03-18 Thread Daniel Fetchinson
Summer of Code is ramping up. Every year the common complaint is that not enough Python core projects get proposed by students, and of course a big reason for that is often the only encouragement we offer prospective students is a link to the PEP index. So let's make this year different.