[Python-Dev] Re: macOS issues with 3.8.7rc1

> On 10 Dec 2020, at 06:38, Greg Ewing wrote: > > On 10/12/20 10:28 am, Guido van Rossum wrote: >> In my experience Apple hardware is very reliable and way outlives the OS >> updates. Even if an OS updates is still available, the newer OS often needs >> more memory, which can be a problem >

[Python-Dev] Re: macOS issues with 3.8.7rc1

On 10/12/20 10:28 am, Guido van Rossum wrote: In my experience Apple hardware is very reliable and way outlives the OS updates. Even if an OS updates is still available, the newer OS often needs more memory, which can be a problem Another problem, for me at least, is that OS updates often

[Python-Dev] Re: macOS issues with 3.8.7rc1

The best way to deal with EOL platforms that I've seen is "best effort": do not guarantee continued operability but accept patches that fix breakages -- as long as they don't add maintenance burden beyond a comfortable level. So if there's a person willing to backport changes (and test them

[Python-Dev] Re: macOS issues with 3.8.7rc1

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 12:15 PM Jakub Stasiak wrote: > I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a group of people that won’t ever > upgrade to 10.15+ for variety of reasons (including loss of 32-bit > application support) so there’s also that. > In my experience Apple hardware is very reliable and

[Python-Dev] Re: macOS issues with 3.8.7rc1

> On 9 Dec 2020, at 19:59, Steve Holden wrote: > > A general wish not to disadvantage those with older hardware any more than > they already are? > > Just a shot in the dark. > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 6:17 PM Gregory P. Smith wrote: > > > As a meta question: Is there a good reason to

[Python-Dev] Re: macOS issues with 3.8.7rc1

> On 9 Dec 2020, at 19:10, Gregory P. Smith wrote: > > > > As a meta question: Is there a good reason to support binaries running on > macOS earlier than ~ $latest_version-1? > > Aren't systems running those old releases rather than upgrading unsupported > by Apple, never to be patched,

[Python-Dev] Re: macOS issues with 3.8.7rc1

+1 On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 11:03 AM Steve Holden wrote: > A general wish not to disadvantage those with older hardware any more than > they already are? > > Just a shot in the dark. > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 6:17 PM Gregory P. Smith wrote: > >> >> >> As a meta question: Is there a good

[Python-Dev] Re: macOS issues with 3.8.7rc1

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 10:10 AM Gregory P. Smith wrote: > > > As a meta question: Is there a good reason to support binaries running on > macOS earlier than ~ $latest_version-1? > > Aren't systems running those old releases rather than upgrading > unsupported by Apple, never to be patched, and

[Python-Dev] Re: macOS issues with 3.8.7rc1

A general wish not to disadvantage those with older hardware any more than they already are? Just a shot in the dark. On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 6:17 PM Gregory P. Smith wrote: > > > As a meta question: Is there a good reason to support binaries running on > macOS earlier than ~

[Python-Dev] Re: macOS issues with 3.8.7rc1

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 10:16 AM Gregory P. Smith wrote: > > > As a meta question: Is there a good reason to support binaries running on > macOS earlier than ~ $latest_version-1? > > Aren't systems running those old releases rather than upgrading > unsupported by Apple, never to be patched, and

[Python-Dev] Re: macOS issues with 3.8.7rc1

As a meta question: Is there a good reason to support binaries running on macOS earlier than ~ $latest_version-1? Aren't systems running those old releases rather than upgrading unsupported by Apple, never to be patched, and thus not wise to even have on a network? Yes, that means some very old

[Python-Dev] Re: macOS issues with 3.8.7rc1

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 4:13 AM Ronald Oussoren wrote: > > > On 8 Dec 2020, at 19:59, Gregory Szorc wrote: > > Regarding the 3.8.7rc1 release, I wanted to raise some issues regarding > macOS. > > Without the changes from https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/22855 > backported, attempting to

[Python-Dev] Re: macOS issues with 3.8.7rc1

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 2:17 PM Ronald Oussoren via Python-Dev wrote: > We know. Backporting the relevant changes to 3.8 is taking more time than I > had hoped. It doesn’t help that I’ve > been busy at work and don’t have as much energy during the weekend as I’d > like. Thank you for all your

[Python-Dev] Re: macOS issues with 3.8.7rc1

> On 8 Dec 2020, at 19:59, Gregory Szorc wrote: > > Regarding the 3.8.7rc1 release, I wanted to raise some issues regarding macOS. > > Without the changes from https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/22855 > backported, attempting to > build a