[Python-Dev] Re: Roundup to GitHub Issues migration

This is perhaps a different issue, but perhaps not. PSF grants are also subject to absurd and convoluted (and difficult to interpret) "export control" rules. Also rules subject to change at any moment at the whims of the latest US government grandstanding. USA incorporation definitely has

[Python-Dev] Re: Roundup to GitHub Issues migration

On 6/22/2021 4:40 AM, Baptiste Carvello wrote: Le 21/06/2021 à 23:31, Christopher Barker a écrit : Also: cPython is a large, complex, and mature project. I don't think many non-developers can even identify a true bug, much less write a helpful big report. [...] There is a genuine question

[Python-Dev] Re: Roundup to GitHub Issues migration

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 4:09 PM Glenn Linderman wrote: > On 6/21/2021 2:31 PM, Christopher Barker wrote: > > > By contrast, requiring a github account for reporting bugs also makes >> python an unwelcoming place for non-developers in general. Github is a >> developers' social network, "mere"

[Python-Dev] Re: Roundup to GitHub Issues migration

On Jun 22, 2021, at 18:35, Irit Katriel via Python-Dev wrote: > On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 11:22 PM Terry Reedy wrote: >> With 2.x gone and a backport flow, essentially all issues are for main, >> so leave version tags off the issue (and eliminate the need to update >> them!). > For enhancement

[Python-Dev] Re: Roundup to GitHub Issues migration

On 6/22/2021 12:52 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 4:09 PM Glenn Linderman > wrote: On 6/21/2021 2:31 PM, Christopher Barker wrote: By contrast, requiring a github account for reporting bugs also makes python an

[Python-Dev] Re: Roundup to GitHub Issues migration

On 6/22/2021 3:52 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: One thing I will remind people is I personally have led the work to move this project from: 1. SourceForge to our own infrastructure 2. Mercurial to git 3. Our own infrastructure to GitHub for code management At this point, I (once a skeptic)

[Python-Dev] Re: Roundup to GitHub Issues migration

On Tue., Jun. 22, 2021, 14:50 Glenn Linderman, wrote: > On 6/22/2021 12:52 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 4:09 PM Glenn Linderman > wrote: > >> On 6/21/2021 2:31 PM, Christopher Barker wrote: >> >> >> By contrast, requiring a github account for reporting bugs also makes

[Python-Dev] Re: Roundup to GitHub Issues migration

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 11:22 PM Terry Reedy wrote: > > With 2.x gone and a backport flow, essentially all issues are for main, > so leave version tags off the issue (and eliminate the need to update > them!). For enhancement requests I agree we probably don't need to keep updating the version

[Python-Dev] Re: Roundup to GitHub Issues migration

Hi, On Mon 21 Jun, 13:48 +0200, Victor Stinner wrote: The requirement for a GitHub account was well known when PEP 581 was accepted. The PEP was approved. It's now time to move on! I think it is important to notice that GitHub actively blocks user registration and activity from countries

[Python-Dev] Re: Making PY_SSIZE_T_CLEAN not mandatory.

On June 22, 2021 11:18:46 AM GMT+02:00, Henk-Jaap Wagenaar wrote: >On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 at 10:06, Petr Viktorin wrote: > >> On 21. 06. 21 20:20, Guido van Rossum wrote: >> > Okay, I think your evidence can then be discounted. Really, any app >that >> > relies on the publicly installed Python

[Python-Dev] Re: Making PY_SSIZE_T_CLEAN not mandatory.

On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 at 10:06, Petr Viktorin wrote: > On 21. 06. 21 20:20, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > Okay, I think your evidence can then be discounted. Really, any app that > > relies on the publicly installed Python runs a serious risk of breaking > > when that Python gets updated, regardless

[Python-Dev] Re: Making PY_SSIZE_T_CLEAN not mandatory.

On 21. 06. 21 20:20, Guido van Rossum wrote: Okay, I think your evidence can then be discounted. Really, any app that relies on the publicly installed Python runs a serious risk of breaking when that Python gets updated, regardless of whether the ABI changes or not. Unfortunately, this

[Python-Dev] Re: Roundup to GitHub Issues migration

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 4:42 AM Sebastian Rittau wrote: > > Am 22.06.21 um 10:00 schrieb Tiziano Zito: > > I think it is important to notice that GitHub actively blocks user > > registration and activity from countries that are sanctioned by the US > > government. At least in 2019 GitHub was

[Python-Dev] Re: Roundup to GitHub Issues migration

On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 05:01:17 -0700 Nathaniel Smith wrote: > > As much as we might wish otherwise, the PSF is also a US entity and > has to comply with US laws. GitHub's official policy at > >https://docs.github.com/en/github/site-policy/github-and-trade-controls > > gives the impression

[Python-Dev] Re: Making PY_SSIZE_T_CLEAN not mandatory.

Hi, I'm afraid we are talking past each other. In my case, the applications are either part of my Python-based work setup, which needs to be rebuilt anyway in the very infrequent occurrence of a major Python upgrade (I could get away with using the system python for that on a "stable" distro).

[Python-Dev] Re: Roundup to GitHub Issues migration

Am 22.06.21 um 10:00 schrieb Tiziano Zito: I think it is important to notice that GitHub actively blocks user registration and activity from countries that are sanctioned by the US government. At least in 2019 GitHub was blocking users from IPs located in Cuba, North Corea, Syria, Crimea,

[Python-Dev] Re: Roundup to GitHub Issues migration

(For some weird reason, I didn't get this mail via the list, only the private copy, so I might break threading by replying via my private copy.) Am 22.06.21 um 14:01 schrieb Nathaniel Smith: As much as we might wish otherwise, the PSF is also a US entity and has to comply with US laws.

[Python-Dev] Re: Roundup to GitHub Issues migration

Hi, Le 21/06/2021 à 23:31, Christopher Barker a écrit : > > > [...] Github is a > > developers' social network, "mere" users are much less likely to want to > > be part of it. [...] > > > But you don’t need to be “part of it” in any meaningful way. One only > needs to create an

[Python-Dev] Re: Roundup to GitHub Issues migration

On 6/22/2021 4:00 AM, Tiziano Zito wrote: Hi, On Mon 21 Jun, 13:48 +0200, Victor Stinner wrote: The requirement for a GitHub account was well known when PEP 581 was accepted. The PEP was approved. It's now time to move on! I think it is important to notice that GitHub actively blocks user