[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 667: Consistent views of namespaces

Hi Nick, On 22/08/2021 4:51 am, Nick Coghlan wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 2021, 10:47 am Guido van Rossum, > wrote: Hopefully anyone is still reading python-dev. I'm going to try to summarize the differences between the two proposals, even though Mark already

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 467 feedback from the Steering Council

On Sun, 22 Aug 2021 16:08:56 -0700 Guido van Rossum wrote: > Hm, I don’t think the major use for bchr() will be with a constant. What would be the major use for bchr()? I don't think I've ever regretted its absence. Regards Antoine. > > On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 14:48 Gregory P. Smith

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 667: Consistent views of namespaces

On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 04:22:56PM +0100, Mark Shannon wrote: > Hi all, > > I have submitted PEP 667 as an alternative to PEP 558. > https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0667 Specification has a code snippet: def test(): x = 1 l()['x'] = 2 l()['y'] = 4

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 667: Consistent views of namespaces

On Sat, Aug 21, 2021 at 05:46:52PM -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: > Hopefully anyone is still reading python-dev. I am :-) [...] > Everything here is about locals() and f_locals in *function scope*. (I use > f_locals to refer to the f_locals field of frame objects as seen from > Python code.)

[Python-Dev] Re: Is anyone relying on new-bugs-announce/python-bugs-list/bugs.python.org summaries

I rely heavily on the new-bugs-announce list, and the email sent by Roundup to people on the Nosy list of a task. I don't care about the weekly summary emails. I don't know what the python-bugs-list is used for. -- Steve ___ Python-Dev mailing list

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 667: Consistent views of namespaces

I apologize. This does indeed not work. What does work, however, is setting a variable from a tracing function. There is magic in the tracing machinery that writes back the variables to the frame when the tracing function returns. This causes the bug referenced as [1] in both PEPs, and both

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 667: Consistent views of namespaces

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 8:46 AM Mark Shannon wrote: > Hi Guido, > > On 23/08/2021 3:53 pm, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 4:38 AM Mark Shannon > > wrote: > > > > Hi Nick, > > > > On 22/08/2021 4:51 am, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > > > > If

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 667: Consistent views of namespaces

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 4:38 AM Mark Shannon wrote: > Hi Nick, > > On 22/08/2021 4:51 am, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > > If Mark's claim that PyEval_GetLocals() could not be fixed was true then > > I would be more sympathetic to his proposal, but I know it isn't true, > > because it still works fine

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 667: Consistent views of namespaces

Hi Guido, On 23/08/2021 3:53 pm, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 4:38 AM Mark Shannon > wrote: Hi Nick, On 22/08/2021 4:51 am, Nick Coghlan wrote: > If Mark's claim that PyEval_GetLocals() could not be fixed was true then > I would

[Python-Dev] Suspension: Marco Sulla

After reviewing the "Problems with dict subclassing performance" thread, I am suspending Marco Sulla from Python-Dev for a period of three months. His behavior became blatantly inappropriate, and rather than apologize he continued taunting those that were trying to help him. Marco took

[Python-Dev] Re: New moderator

On 8/23/2021 4:02 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: After petitioning the Steering Council I have been added as a moderator for the Python Dev mailing list.  I was already the moderator of four other Python lists. Thank you Ethan. I think you have done better than I would have with python-list. My

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 667: Consistent views of namespaces

Just adding a datapoint, searching our internal codebase at work, I only found two things that I'd consider to be uses of PyEval_GetLocals() outside of CPython itself: https://github.com/earwig/mwparserfromhell/blob/develop/src/mwparserfromhell/parser/ctokenizer/tokenizer.c#L220

[Python-Dev] New moderator

Greetings, all! After petitioning the Steering Council I have been added as a moderator for the Python Dev mailing list. I was already the moderator of four other Python lists. My goal as a moderator is to have our forums be civil and within the CoC. I do rely heavily on users to let me

[Python-Dev] Re: Is anyone relying on new-bugs-announce/python-bugs-list/bugs.python.org summaries

On 8/23/2021 6:11 PM, Ammar Askar wrote: Hey everyone, As part of PEP 588, migrating bugs.python.org issues to Github, there are two current mailing list related items that need a replacement or need to be turned down. 1. Weekly summary emails with bug counts and issues from the week, example:

[Python-Dev] Is anyone relying on new-bugs-announce/python-bugs-list/bugs.python.org summaries

Hey everyone, As part of PEP 588, migrating bugs.python.org issues to Github, there are two current mailing list related items that need a replacement or need to be turned down. 1. Weekly summary emails with bug counts and issues from the week, example: