Re: [Python-ideas] JS’ governance model is worth inspecting

2018-09-21 Thread Brendan Barnwell
On 2018-09-20 18:56, James Lu wrote: JS’ decisions are made by a body known as TC39, a fairly/very small group of JS implementers. — I’m not saying this should be Python’s governance model, just to keep JS’ in mind. To my mind, there is one very big reason we should be cautious about

Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where

2018-09-21 Thread Greg Ewing
Chris Barker via Python-ideas wrote: One of the problems with the assignment expression discussion is that it got pretty far on python-ideas, then moved to python-dev, where is was further discussed (and there were parallel thread on the two lists) As long as there are two lists with similar

Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where

2018-09-21 Thread Richard Damon
On 9/20/18 9:45 PM, James Lu wrote: > One of the reasons Guido left was the insane volume of emails he had to read > on Python-ideas. > >> A tiny bit of discussion is still better than none at all. >> And even if there's no discussion, there's a name attached >> to the message, which makes it

Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where

2018-09-21 Thread Greg Ewing
James Lu wrote: I believe GitHub has direct email capability. If you watch the repository and have email notifications on, you can reply directly to an email and it will be sent as a reply. Can you start a new topic of conversation by email, though? The best solution would to have admins

Re: [Python-ideas] JS’ governance model is worth inspecting

2018-09-21 Thread James Lu
> Babel's primary purpose is transpiling to run on older browsers, which isn't > that much of an issue with Python. It's also complicated a bit by the large > number of implementations that *must* be developed in sync, again due to > running in user's browsers. It’s true that one of Babel’s

Re: [Python-ideas] CoC violation

2018-09-21 Thread C. Titus Brown
On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 01:55:03PM -0400, Franklin? Lee wrote: > On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 10:52 AM Elazar wrote: > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 16:56 Philipp A. wrote: > >> > >> The main clause differentiating bad, weaponizable CoCs from good ones is > >> > >> "Assume good faith" > >> > >>

Re: [Python-ideas] CoC violation

2018-09-21 Thread Franklin? Lee
On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 10:52 AM Elazar wrote: > > > > On Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 16:56 Philipp A. wrote: >> >> The main clause differentiating bad, weaponizable CoCs from good ones is >> >> "Assume good faith" >> >> Everything will be OK if good faith can reasonably be assumed (E.g. when >> someone

Re: [Python-ideas] JS’ governance model is worth inspecting

2018-09-21 Thread Ryan Gonzalez
This feels a bit like apples and oranges. Babel's primary purpose is transpiling to run on older browsers, which isn't that much of an issue with Python. It's also complicated a bit by the large number of implementations that *must* be developed in sync, again due to running in user's browsers.

Re: [Python-ideas] "slur" vs "insult"?

2018-09-21 Thread Hasan Diwan
English is not straightforward and is constantly evolving. -- H On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 at 08:45, Rhodri James wrote: > > On 21/09/18 16:23, Ryan Gonzalez wrote: > > Kinda OT, but I believe the connotation is that slur is use of the word, > > whereas an insult is use directed at someone. > >

Re: [Python-ideas] "slur" vs "insult"?

2018-09-21 Thread Rhodri James
On 21/09/18 16:23, Ryan Gonzalez wrote: Kinda OT, but I believe the connotation is that slur is use of the word, whereas an insult is use directed at someone. According to Chambers online, a slur is "a disparaging remark intended to damage a reputation" while an insult is "a rude or offensive

Re: [Python-ideas] "slur" vs "insult"?

2018-09-21 Thread Ryan Gonzalez
Kinda OT, but I believe the connotation is that slur is use of the word, whereas an insult is use directed at someone. For instance, if someone is having a conversation where they use the n-word, it's a racial slur. If they directly call someone that, it's an insult. On Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 9:45

Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where

2018-09-21 Thread Chris Barker via Python-ideas
On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 1:24 PM James Lu wrote: > One of the reasons Guido left was the insane volume of emails he had to > read on Python-ideas. > You'd have to ask Guido directly, but I don't think so. It wasn't the volume, but the nature and timing of the discussion that was so difficult.

Re: [Python-ideas] CoC violation

2018-09-21 Thread Elazar
On Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 16:56 Philipp A. wrote: > The main clause differentiating bad, weaponizable CoCs from good ones is > > "Assume good faith" > > Everything will be OK if good faith can reasonably be assumed (E.g. when > someone uses a word which is only offensive based on context) > On the

[Python-ideas] "slur" vs "insult"?

2018-09-21 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Hi, For the record I was surprised to see the word "slur" pop up quite often recently, while I'd only heard "insult" before. I looked it up and it doesn't help that the French translation seems to be the same in both cases (it's "insulte"). Then I came upon this thread where someone pretty

Re: [Python-ideas] CoC violation

2018-09-21 Thread Philipp A.
The main clause differentiating bad, weaponizable CoCs from good ones is "Assume good faith" Everything will be OK if good faith can reasonably be assumed (E.g. when someone uses a word which is only offensive based on context) On the other hand, e.g. obvious racial slurs never have a place on a

Re: [Python-ideas] CoC violation

2018-09-21 Thread Rhodri James
On 20/09/18 19:56, Brett Cannon wrote: Based on the WG's recommendation and after discussing it with Titus, the decision has been made to ban Jacco from python-ideas. Trivializing assault, using the n-word, and making inappropriate comments about someone's mental stability are all uncalled for

[Python-ideas] JS’ governance model is worth inspecting

2018-09-21 Thread James Lu
JS’ decisions are made by a body known as TC39, a fairly/very small group of JS implementers. First, JS has an easy and widely supported way to modify the language for yourself: Babel. Babel transpires your JS to older JS, which is then run. You can publish your language modification on the JS

Re: [Python-ideas] Moving to another forum system where

2018-09-21 Thread James Lu
One of the reasons Guido left was the insane volume of emails he had to read on Python-ideas. > A tiny bit of discussion is still better than none at all. > And even if there's no discussion, there's a name attached > to the message, which makes it more personal and meaningful > than a "+1"