Re: [Python-ideas] Civility on this mailing list

2016-11-07 Thread Brett Cannon
I wanted to give people an update on civility on this mailing list. First, one person has received a Code of Conduct violation warning and another has received a general warning that their conduct has worn out any leniency about future conduct that we generally try to give people (think of it as a

Re: [Python-ideas] Civility on this mailing list

2016-10-24 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Nick Coghlan writes: > P.S. Given the existence of the constraints discussed above, folks may > then be curious as to why we have a brainstorming list at all, given > that the default answer is almost always going to be "No", Besides providing a place that encourages discussion of ideas from o

Re: [Python-ideas] Civility on this mailing list

2016-10-21 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 22 October 2016 at 01:07, Paul Moore wrote: > I wonder. Would there be value in adding a sign-up email to the list > (supported by a posting of that email to the list, to catch existing > contributors) that set out some of the basic principles of how changes > are judged for inclusion in Python

Re: [Python-ideas] Civility on this mailing list

2016-10-21 Thread Paul Moore
On 21 October 2016 at 15:26, Nick Coghlan wrote: > - Remember that even if something we vehemently consider "wrong" makes > it into the reference implementation, the language does have a design > policy that allows us to correct design mistakes after a suitable > deprecation period, and we also ea

Re: [Python-ideas] Civility on this mailing list

2016-10-21 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 19 October 2016 at 21:29, Michel Desmoulin wrote: > +1. > > I read many disagreements, and people being rude and unprofessional on > occasions, but nothing that would make me have a bad day, even when I was > the target of it. > > I feel like people are really getting hyper sensitive about comm

Re: [Python-ideas] Civility on this mailing list

2016-10-19 Thread Paul Moore
On 19 October 2016 at 12:29, Michel Desmoulin wrote: > I feel like people are really getting hyper sensitive about communications. > While I do prefer talking to calm rational people with a friendly tone, I > acknowledge this is not always the case and it's ok if somebody go overboard > from time

Re: [Python-ideas] Civility on this mailing list

2016-10-19 Thread Michel Desmoulin
+1. I read many disagreements, and people being rude and unprofessional on occasions, but nothing that would make me have a bad day, even when I was the target of it. I feel like people are really getting hyper sensitive about communications. While I do prefer talking to calm rational people

Re: [Python-ideas] Civility on this mailing list

2016-10-17 Thread Ludovic Gasc
Hi Brett, +10 for the code of conduct, first step to help people to improve their behaviour themselves. Maybe the situation might be the result that Python is more and more mainstream: like a start-up that grows too much to integrate correctly new people hired, we might face to the same issue, wi

Re: [Python-ideas] Civility on this mailing list

2016-10-17 Thread Rene Nejsum
Dear Brett/ I have been reading the python-idea archive from time to time over the past years and I joined the list about a month ago to promote my “crazy” async object idea. I did fear the response to a newcomer with an unlikely idea, but I must say the *everyone* has been extremely nice, writ

[Python-ideas] Civility on this mailing list

2016-10-17 Thread Brett Cannon
Based on some emails I read in the " unpacking generalisations for list comprehension", I feel like I need to address this entire list about its general behaviour. If you don't follow me on Twitter you may not be aware that I am taking the entire month of October off from volunteering any personal