On Sun, 6 Mar 2022 at 22:43, Chris Angelico wrote:
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> On Mon, 7 Mar 2022 at 09:33, Paul Moore wrote:
> > > Do I care enough to write a PEP? No. So this, like many other small
> > > ideas, will probably die on the vine.
> >
> > Yes, this is the real problem. It's simply not compelling enough, ev
Chris Angelico writes:
> It's good to have a bit of inertia, so that status quo gets
> maintained, but at the moment, the extent to which ideas get shot
> down makes it look as if this list is python-idea-killing. This
> keeps happening.
I don't see lots of *good* ideas for syntax changes he
On 2022-03-06 14:43, Chris Angelico wrote:
This keeps happening. All the successful ideas seem to happen
elsewhere, notably on typing-sig.
You seem to see that as a positive thing, but I would be happier if
fewer typing-related changes made it in.
--
Brendan Barnwell
"Do not follow where th
On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 at 10:20, Brendan Barnwell wrote:
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> On 2022-03-06 14:43, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > This keeps happening. All the successful ideas seem to happen
> > elsewhere, notably on typing-sig.
>
> You seem to see that as a positive thing, but I would be happier if
> fewer typing
El lun, 7 mar 2022 a las 15:35, Chris Angelico ()
escribió:
> On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 at 10:20, Brendan Barnwell
> wrote:
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> > On 2022-03-06 14:43, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > > This keeps happening. All the successful ideas seem to happen
> > > elsewhere, notably on typing-sig.
> >
> > You s
On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 at 10:39, Jelle Zijlstra wrote:
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> El lun, 7 mar 2022 a las 15:35, Chris Angelico () escribió:
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>> On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 at 10:20, Brendan Barnwell wrote:
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>> > On 2022-03-06 14:43, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> > > This keeps happening. All the successful ideas seem to happ
On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 3:43 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 at 10:39, Jelle Zijlstra
> wrote:
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> > El lun, 7 mar 2022 a las 15:35, Chris Angelico ()
> escribió:
> >but python-ideas is 100% shooting ideas to pieces.
100% really? Maybe my sense of time is blurred, but so
El lun, 7 mar 2022 a las 19:57, Christopher Barker ()
escribió:
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 3:43 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
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>> On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 at 10:39, Jelle Zijlstra
>> wrote:
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>> > El lun, 7 mar 2022 a las 15:35, Chris Angelico ()
>> escribió:
>> >but python-ideas is 100% shooti
On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 at 15:10, Jelle Zijlstra wrote:
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> El lun, 7 mar 2022 a las 19:57, Christopher Barker ()
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>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 3:43 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
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>>> On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 at 10:39, Jelle Zijlstra
>>> wrote:
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>>> > El lun, 7 mar 2022 a la
On 2022-03-07 15:32, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 at 10:20, Brendan Barnwell wrote:
On 2022-03-06 14:43, Chris Angelico wrote:
> This keeps happening. All the successful ideas seem to happen
> elsewhere, notably on typing-sig.
You seem to see that as a positive thing, but
On Mon, Mar 7, 2022, 9:12 PM Jelle Zijlstra
wrote:
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> El lun, 7 mar 2022 a las 19:57, Christopher Barker ()
> escribió:
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>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 3:43 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
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>>> On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 at 10:39, Jelle Zijlstra
>>> wrote:
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>>> > El lun, 7 mar 2022 a las 15:
As someone else noted, few of the ideas originating on typing-sig are for
syntax changes.
One might argue that some are "abuse of notation." Generally they are of
the sort "let's support indexing or bitwise operators on some more types"
or let's let more builtin things act as types in annotations
Brendan Barnwell writes:
> I would be happier if fewer typing-related changes made it in.
I'm curious: do you use type annotations yourself? If yes, do you
just prefer minimal hints to a precise typing system, or have there
been changes that are actually harmful in your opinion? Examples?
On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 at 15:37, Brendan Barnwell wrote:
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> On 2022-03-07 15:32, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 at 10:20, Brendan Barnwell wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2022-03-06 14:43, Chris Angelico wrote:
> >> > This keeps happening. All the successful ideas seem to happen
> >> > elsewhere,
On 2022-03-07 21:32, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Brendan Barnwell writes:
> I would be happier if fewer typing-related changes made it in.
I'm curious: do you use type annotations yourself? If yes, do you
just prefer minimal hints to a precise typing system, or have there
been changes that a
On Mon, 7 Mar 2022 at 23:44, Chris Angelico wrote:
> Not ALL typing changes are just new things in typing.py, so that
> doesn't cover everything. And yes, I am sure that a lot of things get
> proposed and not implemented - my point is that typing-sig is
> successfully finding the good ideas and r
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