Re: [Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

>>> We still have to deal with the fact that basically every Unix >>> environment is "advanced" in the above sense (the python2/python3 >>> split). I don't have a solution for that (other than "upgrade to >>> Windows" ;-)). >> >> Provide the "py" command on linux and mac. And make it the default

Re: [Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

On 15 November 2017 at 01:23, Stephan Houben wrote: > Hi Nick, > > 2017-11-14 11:07 GMT+01:00 Nick Coghlan : > >> On 14 November 2017 at 16:47, Michel Desmoulin > > wrote: >> >>> Proposal A: >>> --- >>> >>> Suffix

Re: [Python-ideas] Modules as global namespaces rather than dicts

On 15 November 2017 at 06:34, Neil Schemenauer wrote: > So, what is the purpose of all this trouble? > > - I believe quite a lot of Python internals can be simpler. For > example, importlib is complicated by the fact that a dict is > passed around when most of

Re: [Python-ideas] A proliferation of (un-)Pythonically programmatic pragmas

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 05:12:10PM -0800, Chris Barker wrote: > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 5:37 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > > One of the things that bother me about end-line comments is that this is > > going to blow up line length limits. > > > Is that a problem? the linters

Re: [Python-ideas] A proliferation of (un-)Pythonically programmatic pragmas

On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 5:37 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > One of the things that bother me about end-line comments is that this is > going to blow up line length limits. Is that a problem? the linters can ignore lines to long if they are only too long due to one of these :-) >

Re: [Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:53 PM, Paul Moore wrote: In principle, I agree with the ideas here, but there are some practical issues that make them somewhat less straightforward than we might like. And practically beats principally ;-) But yeah. 1) Add python2.exe and

[Python-ideas] Modules as global namespaces rather than dicts

This is an idea I have been playing with and seems to hold some promise. I think we should use a module instance as the standard global namespace rather than directly using its dict. I have a prototype version of CPython that does this, not working 100% yet though. Major changes: - In the

Re: [Python-ideas] PEP 562

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 12:24 AM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: > 10.09.17 21:48, Ivan Levkivskyi пише: > >># lib.py >> >>from warnings import warn >> >>deprecated_names = ["old_function", ...] >> >>def _deprecated_old_function(arg, other): >>... >> >>

Re: [Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

Hi Nick, 2017-11-14 11:07 GMT+01:00 Nick Coghlan : > On 14 November 2017 at 16:47, Michel Desmoulin > wrote: > >> Proposal A: >> --- >> >> Suffix Python executable on Windows like on Unix, so that people will >> type pythonX.X if they want

Re: [Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

On Nov 14, 2017 02:39, "Chris Angelico" wrote: On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 5:47 PM, Michel Desmoulin wrote: > Proposal B: > > > Make pip and venv part of the standard and request debian that they > provide it. > > Pros: straight forward. > >

Re: [Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

On 14 November 2017 at 10:02, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 12:56 AM, Paul Moore wrote: >> On 14 November 2017 at 03:08, Nathaniel Smith wrote: >>> On Nov 13, 2017 6:47 PM, "Nick Coghlan" wrote: >>

Re: [Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:28:20 +0100 Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:14:50 +1000 > Nick Coghlan wrote: > > > > > > I don't think Windows ever had python2.exe/python3.exe, but I could be > > > wrong. > > > > Not that I'm aware of in the

Re: [Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 07:45:09 +0100 Michel Desmoulin wrote: > > I think it's wrong to have a different setup on different plateforms. > Python is a portable language. It's also a language you use for quick > scripts and from a lot of non professional devs. > > Unifying

Re: [Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:14:50 +1000 Nick Coghlan wrote: > > > > I don't think Windows ever had python2.exe/python3.exe, but I could be > > wrong. > > Not that I'm aware of in the python.org installers, and I don't think > ActivePython does either. I'm less sure about

Re: [Python-ideas] A proliferation of (un-)Pythonically programmatic pragmas

On 13/11/2017 19:10, Barry Warsaw wrote: > I love many of the ancillary tools that help improve the quality of my > Python code, including flake8, coverage, and mypy. Each of these > usually produces some great diagnostics, but none of them are perfect, > so they also produce false positives

Re: [Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

On 14 November 2017 at 16:47, Michel Desmoulin wrote: > General summary so far > ### > > > This debate has been very civil so far and quite productive, so thanks > to everyone involved. > > Several issues and solution proposals have been mentioned,

Re: [Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 12:56 AM, Paul Moore wrote: > On 14 November 2017 at 03:08, Nathaniel Smith wrote: >> On Nov 13, 2017 6:47 PM, "Nick Coghlan" wrote: > >>> and a pip.bat with the equivalent contents on Windows? >>> (Bonus: maybe

Re: [Python-ideas] venv *is* provided in the standard Python install on Debian/Ubuntu

Hi Brett, The current documentation *cannot* be fixed, since fixing it would entail adding an initial two-page essay on "how to start Python on various platforms/systems" (it is really NOT as simple as Windows=python, Linux=python3) and such a PR will certainly by rejected. In my opinion, the

Re: [Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

On 14 November 2017 at 03:08, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > On Nov 13, 2017 6:47 PM, "Nick Coghlan" wrote: >> and a pip.bat with the equivalent contents on Windows? >> (Bonus: maybe this would fix the problem with upgrading pip on >> Windows?) > > Depending on how

Re: [Python-ideas] PEP 562

10.09.17 21:48, Ivan Levkivskyi пише:   # lib.py   from warnings import warn   deprecated_names = ["old_function", ...]   def _deprecated_old_function(arg, other):       ...   def __getattr__(name):       if name in deprecated_names:           warn(f"{name} is deprecated",