Re: [Python-ideas] Contribution Reward System
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 10:17 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull < turnbull.stephen...@u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote: > One practice that worked pretty well as motivation a few years ago was > "review exchange" where a committer would offer one patch review in > return for confirmation and triage of five new issues. But I haven't > seen that offer made explicitly for years. > I am not sure I made this offer publicly before, but with respect to datetime module contributions, I have an outstanding offer to fill in the C implementation for any patch that is otherwise complete (feature/bug fix proposal is accepted, implemented in Python and the patch includes tests and necessary documentation.) I am also happy to offer a "review exchange", but only within my areas of expertise. ___ Python-ideas mailing list Python-ideas@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
[Python-ideas] Contribution Reward System
andreas writes: > I was thinking if a reward system for contributions would add > motivation to those who want to contribute. > > Something in the lines of a reputation system. I think if you look at the number of patches sitting on the tracker waiting to be reviewed, you'll see that we have plenty of patch submissions from less experienced contributors. Probably the best motivation for those contributors would be halving the time to review by committers. But new committers don't grow on trees, and they tend to be very busy people. They're generally not motivated by badges. It's true that there are jobs that less experienced contributors *can* do that are un-fun, like confirming defect reports and even triaging issues. These might be motivated by a reputation system, but they're also easy to do sloppily if done too quickly. So we might need reviewers to check them. As Steven d'A points out, it may be more straightforward to have them done by people who are motivated to put in careful hard work in the first place. Documentation is another area where new contributors can often make contributions, but again these contributions need review or they can do more harm than good (and that's true for experienced contributors as well). One practice that worked pretty well as motivation a few years ago was "review exchange" where a committer would offer one patch review in return for confirmation and triage of five new issues. But I haven't seen that offer made explicitly for years. While I agree with Steven that we need to be cautious about changing the reward structure in principle, and there will also be practical issues of both workflow changes and coding new features since our mailing lists and issue tracker don't support reputations and badges, if you want to push this forward, I'd recommend being more explicit about the "successful examples" you mention, and describing best practices in this area. Steve ___ Python-ideas mailing list Python-ideas@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Re: [Python-ideas] Contribution Reward System
Hi Andreas, we already have such a system. The awards are collectively called Python Community Awards; they come at different levels and are granted by the PSF: https://www.python.org/community/awards/ The CSAs are probably the ones you are thinking about: https://www.python.org/community/awards/psf-awards/ Cheers, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Experts (#1, Nov 21 2016) >>> Python Projects, Coaching and Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> Python Database Interfaces ... http://products.egenix.com/ >>> Plone/Zope Database Interfaces ... http://zope.egenix.com/ ::: We implement business ideas - efficiently in both time and costs ::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ http://www.malemburg.com/ On 22.11.2016 00:52, andreas wrote: > Hi, > > I was thinking if a reward system for contributions would add motivation > to those who want to contribute. > > Something in the lines of a reputation system. > > This has been done before with success. > > Thanks > ___ > Python-ideas mailing list > Python-ideas@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > ___ Python-ideas mailing list Python-ideas@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Re: [Python-ideas] Contribution Reward System
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 06:52:06PM -0500, andreas wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was thinking if a reward system for contributions would add motivation
> to those who want to contribute.
Or, it could destroy the motivation of those who want to contribute for
the love of the language and a desire to give back to the community,
and encourage those who don't care about Python or the community but are
motivated by the selfish desire to collect points and rewards.
Giving people rewards is very risky. You can just as easily encourage
behaviour you didn't intend to.
Before coming to your suggested solution ("Rewards! Upvotes! Downvotes!
Reputation Points! Badges!") perhaps you can explain what problem you
hope to solve.
> Something in the lines of a reputation system.
If Python had a reputation system from the beginning, I expect that
Guido's reputation score would be about -1 by now because he won't
add braces to the language.
> This has been done before with success.
Oh? Where? Can you give us more detail please?
--
Steve
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[Python-ideas] Contribution Reward System
Hi, I was thinking if a reward system for contributions would add motivation to those who want to contribute. Something in the lines of a reputation system. This has been done before with success. Thanks ___ Python-ideas mailing list Python-ideas@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
