Re: [Python-ideas] What factors led Guido to quit?

2019-02-03 Thread Hasan Diwan
James, Beginning an email with "I want y’all to think about this very carefully" isn't going to get you the answer you want. It would have been better, if you're curious as to why Guido "quit", the best way would be to go through the archives of python-dev, as he did enumerate the reasons in a

Re: [Python-ideas] What factors led Guido to quit?

2019-02-03 Thread Terry Reedy
On 2/2/2019 11:04 AM, James Lu wrote: What factors led Guido to quit? Guido resigned as 'Enhancement Czar'. He wrote what he want to say publicly as to why in his message to the committers list. Speculating beyond that strikes me as rude. He did not resign as President of the PSF nor as

Re: [Python-ideas] What factors led Guido to quit?

2019-02-03 Thread David Mertz
On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 1:32 PM Ryan Gonzalez wrote: > - I seriously doubt he's going to come back. > The election for Steering Council is underway, and Guido is one of the candidates. He may or may not be one of 5 members of the SC, but that's up to the voters among the core committers. But if

Re: [Python-ideas] What factors led Guido to quit?

2019-02-03 Thread Ryan Gonzalez
- This is a mailing list for discussing ideas for Python, not theorizing about personal reasons for leaving a community, nor for writing prompts. - I would argue he left largely just due to people's influence outside this direct community, but also as a sort of "sign" that it was time to go. That

Re: [Python-ideas] What factors led Guido to quit?

2019-02-03 Thread David Mertz
Guido left for a variety of personal reasons, only some of which I know. Soon we will have a wonderful new Steering Council who will act as a collective BDFL (except each for finite terms, and not dictator since it's a council... but benevolent :-)). On Sun, Feb 3, 2019, 12:33 PM James Lu Are

Re: [Python-ideas] What factors led Guido to quit?

2019-02-03 Thread James Lu
Are you a moderator or committed? I disagree with you. This, like the communication thread, is about improving the ability of the Python community to work together. If you don’t think others can have a respectful discussion about that, that’s the community’s fault, not mine. Again, the goal

Re: [Python-ideas] What factors led Guido to quit?

2019-02-03 Thread Antoine Pitrou
James, please don't post such topics on python-ideas. This is completely off-topic and has strong flamebait potential. You may write on your own blog or Facebook account if you feel so strongly about it. Regards Antoine. On Sat, 2 Feb 2019 11:04:40 -0500 James Lu wrote: > I want y’all to

[Python-ideas] What factors led Guido to quit?

2019-02-02 Thread James Lu
I want y’all to think about this very carefully. What factors led Guido to quit? And I don’t want you to just reply with the first thing that comes off your head. The purpose of this question/discussion is to identify problems with the Python community so we can fix them. That is the only real