Re: [Python-ideas] venv *is* provided in the standard Python install on Debian/Ubuntu

On 13 November 2017 at 04:38, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 12:20:45 + > Paul Moore wrote: >> >> > Well, not exactly. Do you do python -m venv, or py -x.x -m venv or >> > pythonx -m venv ? Wait, it's not installed by default on debian.

Re: [Python-ideas] venv *is* provided in the standard Python install on Debian/Ubuntu

2017-11-13 3:32 GMT+01:00 Nick Coghlan : > > So technically it's ensurepip that's broken by default, but that > translates to venv also being broken by default. > > I haven't worked out what the actual steps needed to fix it are > On Debian, ensurepip is in the

Re: [Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

On 12 November 2017 at 13:18, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> Seriously? Debian don't provide venv in the standard Python install? >> That's just broken. > > Yup. And RHEL/CentOS don't provide Python 3.x by default at all - you > need to grab it via other means. Wow. I have no problem

Re: [Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

On 2017-11-12 05:18, Nick Coghlan wrote: * the `pip install` option really is nicer looking than `python -m pip install`, and it only has actual problems in the presence of multiple Python versions and when upgrading pip itself on Windows (plus: lots of third party guides recommend it, as do

Re: [Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

On 12 November 2017 at 16:20, Michel Desmoulin wrote: > Le 10/11/2017 à 09:01, Nick Coghlan a écrit : >> On 10 November 2017 at 17:05, Michel Desmoulin >> wrote: >> When we choose not to use venv, then it becomes necessary to ensure >> each

Re: [Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

On 12 November 2017 at 06:19, Michel Desmoulin wrote: >> 1. Go back to adding Python to PATH. Because our installers don't say >> "do you want to uninstall the old version", we should probably do a >> check for a "python" command on PATH in the installer, and if there

Re: [Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

On 12 November 2017 at 22:20, Paul Moore wrote: > On 12 November 2017 at 06:19, Michel Desmoulin > wrote: >>> We still have to deal with the fact that basically every Unix >>> environment is "advanced" in the above sense (the python2/python3 >>>

Re: [Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 23:18:26 +1000 Nick Coghlan wrote: > > We haven't forgotten our early years - we've just spent years (both > individually and collectively) working on the problem of helping > people get started with software development, and thus have a very > good idea

Re: [Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

2017-11-12 13:20 GMT+01:00 Paul Moore : > On 12 November 2017 at 06:19, Michel Desmoulin > wrote: > > > Well, not exactly. Do you do python -m venv, or py -x.x -m venv or > > pythonx -m venv ? Wait, it's not installed by default on debian. > >

[Python-ideas] venv *is* provided in the standard Python install on Debian/Ubuntu

On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 12:20:45 + Paul Moore wrote: > > > Well, not exactly. Do you do python -m venv, or py -x.x -m venv or > > pythonx -m venv ? Wait, it's not installed by default on debian. > > Seriously? Debian don't provide venv in the standard Python install? >

Re: [Python-ideas] venv *is* provided in the standard Python install on Debian/Ubuntu

On 12 November 2017 at 18:38, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 12:20:45 + > Paul Moore wrote: >> >> > Well, not exactly. Do you do python -m venv, or py -x.x -m venv or >> > pythonx -m venv ? Wait, it's not installed by default on debian.

Re: [Python-ideas] venv *is* provided in the standard Python install on Debian/Ubuntu

On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 6:24 AM, Stephan Houben wrote: > Hi Antoine, > > The venv module is included, > however the pyvenv script is in a separate package > python3.5-venv . > > By the way, I was totally confused by the following text form the doc. > >

Re: [Python-ideas] venv *is* provided in the standard Python install on Debian/Ubuntu

Hi Antoine, The venv module is included, however the pyvenv script is in a separate package python3.5-venv . By the way, I was totally confused by the following text form the doc. https://docs.python.org/3/library/venv.html Deprecated since version 3.6: pyvenv was the recommended tool

Re: [Python-ideas] venv *is* provided in the standard Python install on Debian/Ubuntu

Hi Stephan, Le 12/11/2017 à 20:24, Stephan Houben a écrit : > Hi Antoine, > > The venv module is included, > however the pyvenv script is in a separate package > python3.5-venv . Thanks for the correction. That's definitely a silly decision -- especially as the "pyvenv" script must be very

Re: [Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

On 13 November 2017 at 02:59, Brendan Barnwell wrote: > On 2017-11-12 05:18, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> >> * the `pip install` option really is nicer looking than `python -m pip >> install`, and it only has actual problems in the presence of multiple >> Python versions and when

Re: [Python-ideas] venv *is* provided in the standard Python install on Debian/Ubuntu

On 13 November 2017 at 07:11, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 6:24 AM, Stephan Houben wrote: >> Hi Antoine, >> >> The venv module is included, >> however the pyvenv script is in a separate package >> python3.5-venv . >> >> By the way, I was

Re: [Python-ideas] venv *is* provided in the standard Python install on Debian/Ubuntu

On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:29 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 13 November 2017 at 07:11, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 6:24 AM, Stephan Houben wrote: >>> Hi Antoine, >>> >>> The venv module is included, >>> however the

Re: [Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

> -Original Message- > From: Python-ideas [mailto:python-ideas-bounces+tritium- > list=sdamon@python.org] On Behalf Of Nick Coghlan > Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 6:19 PM > To: Brendan Barnwell > Cc: python-ideas@python.org > Subject: Re: [Python-ideas]

Re: [Python-ideas] venv *is* provided in the standard Python install on Debian/Ubuntu

On 13 November 2017 at 09:29, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 13 November 2017 at 07:11, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 6:24 AM, Stephan Houben wrote: >>> Hi Antoine, >>> >>> The venv module is included, >>> however the